HC Deb 12 December 1912 vol 45 cc934-45

1. The compensation which may be awarded to the officer shall be such gratuity or annual allowance (if any) as the Civil Service Committee think just, having regard to the following considerations, that is to say:—

  1. (a) The conditions on which the officer was appointed;
  2. (b) The nature and duration of his employment;
  3. (c) In the case of officers who do not devote their whole time to the duties of their office, the amount of time so devoted;
  4. (d) The circumstances in which he is leaving the service;
  5. (e) The compensation which might have been awarded to him on leaving the service in similar circumstances if Part I. of these Rules had applied to him;
  6. (f) Any offer made to him of another office or employment under the Irish Government;
  7. (g) The probability (if any) of his having continued in office for a longer period but for the passing of this Act; and
  8. (h) any other circumstances affecting his case.

2. The compensation shall in every case be less than the compensation which might under Part I. of these Rules have been awarded to the officer on leaving the service in similar circumstances if that part of these Rules had applied to him.

Government Amendments made: In Section 1, Sub-section (1), paragraph (c), leave out the word "sixty" [age of "sixty years"] and insert instead thereof the words "sixty-five";

In Sub-section (2) at end, insert the words:—

(3) The compensation of an officer serving in an established capacity who has previously served in a non-established capacity may be determined in accordance with the provisions of Part II. instead of the provisions of Part I. of the Rules contained in this Schedule, if he so requires, and in that case the limit of the compensation shall be the amount of compensation which might have been awarded if his whole service had been service in an established capacity, and the compensation of an officer not serving in an established capacity may be determined in accordance with the provisions of Part I. instead of the provisions of Part II. of those Rules if the Civil Service Committee are satisfied that he serves in a capacity which under a condition of his employment qualifies him for a superannuation allowance or gratuity on terms not less advantageous than if he served in an established capacity, and accordingly in the application to him of the provisions of Part I. of those Rules references to that condition shall, where the context so requires, be substituted for references to the Superannuation Acts, 1834 to 1909;

In Section 2, paragraph (a), leave out the words "passing of this Act," and insert instead thereof the words "appointed day";

In paragraph (b) leave out the words "in the prescribed manner," and insert instead thereof the words "in accordance with regulations made by the Civil Service Commissioners";

In paragraph (d) leave out the words "be liable under the existing rules as to age to retire" and insert instead thereof the words "attain the age of sixty-five years."

In Section 3 leave out paragraph (b) and insert instead thereof the words:—

(b) that, owing to changes made after the end of the transitional period in the conditions of his employment, his position has been materially altered to his detriment.

In Section 4, Sub-section (1), leave out the words "but any payments to any such officer on account of compensation payable under the provisions of this Act shall, instead of being made out of moneys provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, be made out of the Petty Sessions Clerks Fund: Provided that if the amount of the Petty Sessions Clerks Fund is at any time by reason of the provisions of this Act insufficient to meet any payments charged on it under this or any other Act, the deficiency shall be charged on and paid out of the Irish Consolidated Fund, and made good to the Irish Consolidated Fund out of the Petty Sessions Clerks Fund as the state of that fund allows."—[Mr. Birrell]

Government Amendment proposed,

In Section 4, Sub-section (1), at end, add the words:—

5. In this Schedule references to the Irish Government shall include references to any department or officer of the Irish Government."—[Mr. Birrell.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 308; Noes, 179.

Division No. 452.] AYES. [11.24 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Booth, Frederick Handel Crean, Eugene
Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) Bowerman, C. W. Crooks, William
Acland, Francis Dyke Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Crumley, Patrick
Adamson, William Brace, William Cullinan, John
Addison, Dr. Christopher Brady, P. J. Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy)
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Brocklehurst, William B. Davies, Ellis William (Eifion)
Agnew, Sir George William Brunner, J. F. L. Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Bryce, J. Annan Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.)
Alden, Percy Buckmaster, Stanley O. Dawes, J. A.
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Burke, E. Haviland- De Forest, Baron
Armitage, R. Burns, Rt. Hon. John Delany, William
Arnold, Sydney Byles, Sir William Pollard Denman, Hon. R. D.
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Carr-Gomm, H. W. Devlin, Joseph
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Dickinson, W. H.
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Chancellor, H. G. Donelan, Captain A.
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Chapple, Dr. William Allen Doris, William
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Clancy, John Joseph Duffy, William J.
Barnes, George N. Clough, William Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)
Barton, William Clynes, John R. Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley)
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.)
Beck, Arthur Cecil Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor)
Bentham, George Jackson Condon, Thomas Joseph Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid)
Bethell, Sir John Henry Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Elverston, Sir Harold
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Cotton, William Francis Esmonds, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.)
Black, Arthur W. Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.)
Boland, John Pius Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Esslemont, George Birnie
Falconer, James Levy, Sir Maurice Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Farrell, James Patrick Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Redmond, William (Ciare, E.)
Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Lundon, Thomas Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson Lynch, A. A. Rendall, Athelstan
Ffrench, Peter Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Richards, Thomas
Field, William McGhee, Richard Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward Maclean, Donald Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Fitzgibbon, John Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Flavin, Michael Joseph MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
France, Gerald Ashburner Macpherson, James Ian Roberts, Sir H. (Denbighs)
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd MacVeagh, Jeremiah Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Gill, A. H. M'Callum, Sir John M. Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Ginnell, L. M'Curdy, C. A. Robinson, Sidney
Gladstone, W. G. C. M'Kean, John Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Glanville, H. J. McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding) Roe, Sir Thomas
Goldstone, Frank M'Micking, Major Gilbert Rose, Sir Charles Day
Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Manfield, Harry Rowlands, James
Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Rowntree, Arnold
Greig, Colonel J. W. Marshall, Arthur Harold Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Martin, J. Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Griffith, Ellis Jones Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Meagher, Michael Scanlan, Thomas
Guiney, Patrick Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E.
Gulland, John William Menzies, Sir Walter Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Millar, James Duncan Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
Hackett, J. Molloy, Michael Sheehy, David
Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Molteno, Percy Alport Sherwell, Arthur James
Hancock, John George Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Shortt, Edward
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) Mooney, John J. Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Morgan, George Hay Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Hardie, J. Keir Morrell, Philip Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds) Morison, Hector Snowden, Philip
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Muldoon, John Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.)
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Munro, R. Sutherland, J. E.
Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Sutton, John E.
Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Nannetti, Joseph P. Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Needham, Christopher Thomas Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) Tennant, Harold John
Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Nolan, Joseph Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Hayden, John Patrick Norton, Capt. Cecil W. Thorne, William (West Ham)
Hayward, Evan Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Toulmin, Sir George
Hazleton, Richard O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Helme, Sir Norval Watson O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Verney, Sir Harry
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Doherty, Philip Wadsworth, J.
Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) O'Dowd, John Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
Henry, Sir Charles Ogden, Fred Walsh, Stephen (Lancs, Ince)
Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon., S.) O'Grady, James Walton, Sir Joseph
Higham, John Sharp O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Hinds, John O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. O'Malley, William Waring, Walter
Hodge, John O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Hogge, James Myles O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Holmes, Daniel Turner O'Shee, James John Watt, Henry A.
Holt, Richard Durning O'Sullivan, Timothy Webb, H.
Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Palmer, Godfrey Mark Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Parker, James (Halifax) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Hughes, Spencer Leigh Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Illingworth, Percy H. Pearce, William (Limehouse) Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Wiles, Thomas
John, Edward Thomas Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Wilkie, Alexander
Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Piric, Duncan Vernon Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Pointer, Joseph Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts., Stepney) Pollard, Sir George H. Williamson, Sir Archibald
Jewett, Frederick William Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Joyce, Michael Power, Patrick Joseph Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Kellaway, Frederick George Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Kennedy, Vincent Paul Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Winfrey, Richard
Kilbride, Denis Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
King, J. Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon,S.Molton) Pringle, William M. R. Young, William (Perth, East)
Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Radford, G. H. Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Raffan, Peter Wilson
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Raphael, Sir Herbert H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Leach, Charles Reddy, Michael
NOES.
Amery, L. C. M. S. Baird, J. L. Baldwin, Stanley
Archer-Shee, Major Martin Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Banbury, Sir Frederick George
Ashley, W. W. Balcarres, Lord Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester)
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Peto, Basil Edward
Barnston, H Hall, Marshall (L'pool, E. Toxteth) Pole-Carew, Sir R.
Barrie, H. T. Harnbro, Augustus Valdemar Pollock, Ernest Murray
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Hamersley, Alfred St. George Pretyman, Ernest George
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Pryce-Jones, Col. E. (M'tgomr'y B'ghs)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Quilter, Sir William Eley C.
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Randles, Sir John S.
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Harris, Henry Percy Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Beresford, Lord C. Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Rawson, Col. R. H.
Bigland, Alfred Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. Rees, Sir J. D.
Bird, A. Hill, Sir Clement L. Remnant, James Farquharson
Blair, Reginald Hills, John Waller Rolleston, Sir John
Boyton, James Hill-Wood, Samuel Rothschild, Lionel de
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hoare, S. J. G. Rutherford, John (Lancs, Darwen)
Bull, Sir William James Hohler, G. F. Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Salter, Arthur Clavell
Burn, Colonel C. R. Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Butcher, John George Horne, Edgar (Surrey, Guildford) Sanders, Robert A.
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.). Houston, Robert Paterson Sanderson, Lancelot
Campion, W. R. Hunt, Rowland Sassoon, Sir Philip
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Hunter, Sir C. R. Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange)
Cassel, Felix Ingleby, Holcombe Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Cautley, H. S. Jackson, Sir John Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Cave, George Jessel, Capt. H. M. Spear, Sir John Ward
Chambers, James Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Stanier, Beville
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Kerry, Earl of Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Kimber, Sir Henry Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Starkey, John R.
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Lane-Fox, G. R. Steel-Maitland. A. D.
Courthope, George Loyd Larmor, Sir J. Stewart, Gershom
Craik, Sir Henry Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Swift, Rigby
Croft, Henry Page Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) Talbot, Lord E.
Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Lewisham, Viscount Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Denniss, E. R. B. Lloyd, George Ambrose Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.)
Dixon, C. H. Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Doughty, Sir George Lonsdale, Sir J. Brownlee Thynne, Lord Alexander
Duke, Henry Edward Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M Lyttelton, Rt.Hon.A. (S. Geo. Han.Sq.) Touche, George Alexander
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Falle, B. G. MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Tullibardine, Marquess of
Fell, Arthur Mackinder, Halford J. Valentia, Viscount
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Macmaster, Donald Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Malcolm, Ian White, Major G. D. (Lancs, Southport)
Fletcher, John Samuel Mason, James F. (Windsor) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Gardner, Ernest Middlemore, John Throgmorton Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Gastrell, Major W. Houghton Mildmay, Francis Bingham Wills, Sir Gilbert
Gibbs, G. A. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E.R.)
Gilmour, Captain John Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F (Ashburton) Winterton, Earl
Goldman, c. S. Mount, William Arthur Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Goldsmith, Frank Neville, Reginald J. N. Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Newton, Harry Kottingham Worthington-Evans, L.
Goulding, Edward Alfred Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Grant, J. A. Nield, Herbert Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Greene, W. R. O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Gretton, John Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Younger, Sir George
Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) Parkes, Ebenezer
Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Samuel Roberts and Captain Faber.
Haddock, George Bahr Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge)
Mr. MALCOLM

I and several other Members came from the Lobby in the ordinary course after the two tellers had left and while the clerks at table were still there. We therefore claim that our votes be counted.

Lord ALEXANDER THYNNE

I am in the same position.

Colonel LOCKWOOD

I am in the same position.

Mr. WYNDHAM

I am in the same position.

The CHAIRMAN

I made enquiry last night when there was a similar occurrence and I was informed that in a succession of divisions such as we had last night hon. Members go into the Lobby for the next division before the one actually in process is completed. In that way Members get mixed up between one division and another, and do not proceed to the desk as rapidly as they ought to do. But in both cases, last night and to-night, the whips of their own party informed the teller at the door in the usual way "All out." Under our present rules hon. Members are not obliged to vote, and unless they take advantage of the opportunity they must be taken as not desiring to vote. Of course the arrangements which are made between both sides provide that both sides have a representative who takes the means in his power to see that Members who desire to vote pass through before the tellers reach the door.

Colonel LOCKWOOD

I was busily engaged with a colleague in discussing the shortcomings of the Liberal party.

Mr. WYNDHAM rose.

The CHAIRMAN

I cannot allow a discussion on the matter. I was asked whether four Members could claim to have their votes added in this case. I shall see if that can be done.

Mr. WYNDHAM

What I have to say is pertinent to the suggestion which you, Mr. Chairman, have made. At a certain moment you say "Lock the doors." If any Member is in the lobby before the doors are locked, he proceeds as quickly as possible to the clerk's desk to vote, but if he is debarred from voting, as in my case, can he claim to have his vote registered?

The CHAIRMAN

After what I have said I hope this will not occur again. I would suggest that hon. Members who have voted should wait towards the end of the lobby, and not obstruct Members who desire to vote. In this case the names of Mr. Malcolm, Mr. Wyndham, Colonel Lockwood, and Lord Alexander Thynne will be added. The "Noes" will therefore be 182.

Mr. GOLDMAN

The same thing happened to me in the division before the last.

Government Amendments made: In Sub-head B (Rules—Part I.) leave out the word "sixty" ["age of sixty years for any cause other than misconduct or incapacity"], and insert instead thereof the words "sixty five."

In Sub-head B (2) leave out paragraph (c).

In Sub-head B, proviso (i), leave out the word "thirty" ["age of thirty years but has not attained the age of thirty-six years"] and insert instead thereof the words "twenty-eight."

In Sub-head B, proviso (i), leave out the words "thirty-six" ["has not attained the age of thirty-six years"], and insert instead thereof the words "thirty-three."

In Sub-head B, proviso (i), leave out the word "thirty" ["age of thirty years, or where"], and insert instead thereof the words "twenty-eight."

In Sub-head B, proviso (ii), leave out the words "at which he would be liable to leave the service under the existing rules as to age" and insert instead thereof the words of "sixty-five."—[Mr. Birrell.]

Question put: "That the schedule, as amended, be the third schedule."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 307; Noes, 180.

Division No. 453.] AYES. [11.40 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Brady, P. J. Dawes, J. A.
Abraham, Rt. Hon. William (Rhondda) Brocklehurst, William B. De Forest, Baron
Acland, Francis Dyke Brunner, J. F. L. Delany, William
Adamson, William Bryce, J. Annan Denman, Hon. R. D.
Addison, Dr. Christopher Buckmaster, Stanley O. Devlin, Joseph
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Burke, E. Haviland- Dickinson, W. H.
Agnew, Sir George William Burns, Rt. Hon. John Donelan, Captain A.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Byles, Sir William Pollard Doris, William
Alden, Percy Carr-Gomm, H. W. Duffy, William J.
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)
Armitage, R. Chancellor, H. G. Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley)
Arnold, Sydney Chapple, Dr. William Allen Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.)
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Clancy, John Joseph Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid)
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Clough, William Elverston, Sir Harold
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Clynes, John R. Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.)
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.)
Baring, Sir Godlrey (Barnstaple) Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Esslemont, George Birnie
Barnes, George N. Condon, Thomas Joseph Falconer, James
Barton, William Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Farrell, James Patrick
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Cotton, William Francis Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles
Beck, Arthur Cecil Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson
Bentham, George Jackson Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Ffrench, Peter
Bethell, Sir John Henry Crean, Eugene Field, William
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Crooks, William Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward
Black, Arthur W. Crumley, Patrick Fitzgibbon, John
Boland, John Pius Cullinan, John Flavin, Michael Joseph
Booth, Frederick Handel Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) France, Gerald Ashburner
Bowerman, C. W. Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Gill, A. H.
Brace, William Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Ginnell, L.
Gladstone, W. G. C. MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) Rendall, Athelstan
Glanville, H. J. Macpherson, James Ian Richards, Thomas
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford MacVeagh, Jeremiah Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
Goldstone, Frank M'Callum, Sir John M. Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) M'Curdy, C. A. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) M'Kean, John Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Greig, Colonel J. W. McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs.,Spalding) Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Griffith, Ellis Jones M'Micking, Major Gilbert Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Manfield, Harry Robinson, Sidney
Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Markham, Sir Arthur Basil Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Guiney, Patrick Marshall, Arthur Harold Roche, Augustine (Louth)
Gulland, John William Martin, J. Roe, Sir Thomas
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. Rose, Sir Charles Day
Hackett, J. Meagher, Michael Rowlands, James
Hall, Frederick (Normanton) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Rowntree, Arnold
Hancock, John George Menzies, Sir Walter Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale) Millar, James Duncan Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Molloy, Michael Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Hardie, J. Keir Molteno, Percy Alport Scanlan, Thomas
Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E.
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Mooney, John J. Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Morgan, George Hay Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) Morrell, Philip Sheehy, David
Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Morison, Hector Sherwell, Arthur James
Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Muldoon, John Shortt, Edward
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Munro, R. Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Hayden, John Patrick Nannetti, Joseph P. Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Hayward, Evan Needham, Christopher, Thomas Snowden, Philip
Hazleton, Richard Nolan, Joseph Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N.W.)
Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) Norton, Capt. Cecil W. Sutherland, J. E.
Helme, Sir Norval Watson Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Sutton, John E.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) O'Connor, John, (Kildare, N.) Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Henry, Sir Charles O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Tennant, Harold John
Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.) O'Doherty, Philip Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Higham, John Sharp O'Dowd, John Thorne, William (West Ham)
Hinds, John Ogden, Fred Toulmin, Sir George
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon Charles E. H. O'Grady, James Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Hodge, John O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Hogge, James Myles O'Kelley, James (Roscommon, N.) Wadsworth, J.
Holmes, Daniel Turner O'Malley, William Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
Holt Richard Durning O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Walsh, J. (Cork, South)
Horne, C. Silverster (Ipswich) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) O'Shee, James John Walton, Sir Joseph
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey O'Sullivan, Timothy Ward, John (Stoke-on-Trent)
Hughes, Spencer Leigh Outhwaite, R. L. Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Illingworth, Percy H. Palmer, Godfrey Mark Waring, Walter
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Parker, James (Halifax) Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
John, Edward Thomas Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Pearce, William (Limehouse) Watt, Henry A.
Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Webb, H.
Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney) Phillips, John (Longford, S.) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Jowett, Frederick William Pirie, Duncan Vernon White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Joyce, Michael Pointer, Joseph Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
Keating, Matthew Pollard, Sir George H. Wiles, Thomas
Kellaway, Frederick George Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Wilkie, Alexander
Kennedy, Vincent Paul Power, Patrick Joseph Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Kilbride, Denis Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
King, J. Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon,S.Molton) Priestley, Sir Arthur (Grantham) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Wilson, Rt. Hen. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West) Pringle, William M. R. Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) Radford, G. H. Winfrey, Richard
Leach, Charles Raffan, Peter Wilson Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Levy, Sir Maurice Raphael, Sir Herbert H. Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Young, William (Perth, East)
Lundon, T. Reddy, M. Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Lynch, A. A. Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Redmond, William (Clare, E.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
McGhee, Richard Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
NOES.
Aitken, Sir William Max Banbury, Sir Frederick George Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth)
Amery, L. C. M. S. Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish-
Archer-Shee, Major Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Beresford, Lord C.
Ashley, W. W. Barnston, H. Bigland, Alfred
Baird, J. L. Barrie, H. T. Bird, A.
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) Blair, Reginald
Balcarres, Lord Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Boyton, James
Baldwin, Stanley Beckett, Hon. Gervase Bridgeman, W. Clive
Bull, Sir William James Hohler, G. F. Randles, Sir John S.
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Burn, Colonel, C. R. Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) Rawson, Col. R. H.
Butcher, John George Horne, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) Rees, Sir J. D.
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Houston, Robert Paterson Remnant, James Farquharson
Campion, W. R. Hunt, Rowland Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Hunter, Sir C. R. Rolleston, Sir John
Cassel, Felix Ingleby, Holcombe Rothschild, Lionel de
Cautley, H. S. Jackson, Sir John Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen)
Cave, George Jessel, Capt. H. M. Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby)
Chambers, James Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Salter, Arthur Clavell
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Kerry, Earl of Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Kimber, Sir Henry Sanders, Robert A.
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Sanderson, Lancelot
Cooper, Richard Ashmole Lane-Fox, G. R. Sassoon, Sir Philip
Courthope, George Loyd Larmor, Sir J. Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange)
Craik, Sir Henry Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) Smith, Harold (Warrington)
Croft, Henry Page Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) Spear, Sir John Ward
Dalziel, D, (Brixton) Lewisham, Viscount Stanier, Seville
Dixon, C. H. Lloyd, George Ambrose Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Doughty, Sir George Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Duke, Henry Edward Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Starkey, John R.
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Lonsdale, Sir J. Brownlee Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Stewart, Gershom
Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo. Han. S.) Swift, Rigby
Falle, B. G. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Talbot, Lord E.
Fell, Arthur MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Mackinder, Halford J. Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.)
Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes Macmaster, Donald Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.)
Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) Thynne, Lord Alexander
Gastrell, Major W, Houghton Malcolm, Ian Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Gibbs, G. A. Mason, James F. (Windsor) Touche, George Alexander
Gilmour, Captain John Middlemore, John Throgmorton Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Goldman, C. S. Mildmay, Francis Bingham Tullibardine, Marquess of
Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Valentia, Viscount
Goulding, Edward Alfred Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid)
Greene, W. R. Mount, William Arthur Wheler, Granville C. H.
Gretton, John Neville, Reginald J. N. White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) Newton, Harry Kottingham Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Haddock, George Bahr Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Hall D B (Isle of Wight) Nield, Herbert Wills, Sir Gilbert
Hall, Marshall (L'pool, E. Toxteth) O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Hamersley, Alfred St. George Orde-Powiett, Hon. W. G. A. Winterton, Earl
Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) Parkes, Ebenezer Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) Worthington-Evans, L.
Harris, Henry Percy Peta, Basil Edward Wright, Henry Fitzherbert
Harris, Henry Percy Pole Carew, Sir R. Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Pollock, Ernest Murray Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. Pretyman, Ernest George Younger, Sir George
Hill, Sir Clement L.
Hills, John Waller Pryce-Jones, Col. E. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Charles Bathurst and Mr. R. Gwynne.
Hill-Wood, Samuel Quilter, sir William Eley C.
Hoare, S. J. G.
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