HC Deb 05 December 1912 vol 44 cc2525-6
Mr. McKENNA

I have a message from the King signifying to the House that His Majesty has been pleased to place at the disposal of Parliament for the Established Church (Wales) Bill His Majesty's interest in the bishoprics and other ecclesiastical dignities and benefices in Wales and Monmouthshire.

Bill considered in Committee.

[Mr. WHITLEY in the Chair.]

Mr. LYTTELTON

I should like to know whether it would be convenient now to say what Amendments you propose, to select?

The CHAIRMAN

The first Motion on the Paper on Clause 1 is not admissible under the Resolution of the House governing our present procedure. The next three Amendments on the Paper are outside the scope of the Bill. The first one which I propose to take, the first one which is in order, is that which stands in the name of the hon. and learned Member for Mid-Bucks (Sir A. Cripps). As regards the next one, I am in some difficulty, because I do not know what the Debate or decision of the Committee may be on the first Amendment to be taken. It may be that it will rule out some of the subsequent Amendments. If it were not so, the one I had in my mind to take would be that in the name of the hon. Member for the Ashford Division of Kent (Mr. L. Hardy), but that may be covered, as I have stated.

Mr. BRIDGEMAN

Is the Amendment m the name of the hon. Member for Denbigh Boroughs, to leave out "Disestablishment" and insert "Secularisation," not in order?

The CHAIRMAN

It is not one which I propose to select.

Mr. ORMSBY-GORE

On that point I wish to know whether you would take a similar Amendment which is down in filename of the hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington (Mr. Pollock), on page 31, in order to see what exactly Established and Disestablishment mean?

Lord ROBERT CECIL

Before you reply to the point of my hon. Friend, I beg very respectfully to submit that it would be a convenient course if, on the Amendment of the hon. Member for Salford (Mr. Barlow), that we should have an opportunity of deciding a matter of great importance, what is meant by Disestablishment and what is not. Under the Standing Order I believe that we are entitled to submit that any particular Amendment is of importance, and I venture respectfully to submit that from some such Amendment as that is a matter on which we should have a decision.

The CHAIRMAN

I have been glad on this occasion to hear Members, but there is no right under the Standing Order. With regard to the Amendment in the name of the hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington, I will reserve my opinion on that

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