HC Deb 05 December 1912 vol 44 cc2627-31

(1) On the date of Disestablishment every cathedral and ecclesiastical corporation in the Church in Wales, whether sole or aggregate, shall be dissolved.

(2) On and after the date of Disestablishment no bishop of the Church in Wales shall as such be summoned to or be qualified to sit or vote as a Lord of Parliament; but save as aforesaid every person who is at the passing of this Act a bishop, dean, canon, or archdeacon of or the holder of any ecclesiastical office in the Church in

Wales, shall during his life enjoy the same title and precedence as if this Act had not passed.

(3) On and after the date of Disestablishment no person shall, by reason only of being a bishop, priest, or deacon of the Church in Wales, be disqualified or liable to any penalty for sitting or voting in the House of Commons.

Question put, "The Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 297; Noes, 183.

Division No. 395.] AYES. [10.52 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) Denman, Hon. R. D. Henry, Sir Charles
Acland, Francis Dyke Devlin, Joseph Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.)
Adamson, William Dillon, John Higham, John Sharp
Addison, Dr. Christopher Donelan, Captain A. Hinds, John
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Doris, William Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Duffy, William J. Hodge, John
Agnew, Sir George William Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Holmes, Daniel Turner
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) Hope, John Deans (Haddington)
Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich)
Arnold, Sydney Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) Hudson, Walter
Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) Elverston, Sir Harold Hughes, Spencer Leigh
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Illingworth, Percy H.
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus
Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) Essex, Richard Walter Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh)
Barnes, George N. Esslemont, George Birnie John, Edward Thomas
Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) Falconer, James Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Sw'nsea)
Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) Farrell, James Patrick Jones, Edgar (Mertliyr Tydvil)
Barton, William Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth)
Beale, Sir William Phipson Ffrench, Peter Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)
Beck, Arthur Cecil Field, William Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe)
Bentham, George Jackson Fitzgibbon, John Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney)
Black, Arthur W. Flavin, Michael Joseph Joyce, Michael
Boland, John Pius France, Gerald Ashburner Keating, Matthew
Booth, Frederick Handel George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd Kellaway, Frederick George
Bowerman, C. W. Gilhooly, James Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) Gill, A. H. Kilbride, Denis
Brady, P. J. Ginnell, L. King, J.
Brocklehurst, William B. Gladstone, W. G. C. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S.Molton)
Bryce, J. Annan Glanville, H. J. Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Lardner, James Carrige Rushe
Burke, E. Haviland- Goldstone, Frank Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) Leach, Charles
Byles, Sir William Pollard Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) Levy, Sir Maurice
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Griffith, Ellis Jones Lewis, John Herbert
Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) Low, Sir F. (Norwich)
Chancellor, H. G. Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) Lundon, T.
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Guiney, Patrick Lyell, Charles Henry
Clancy, John Joseph Gulland, John William Lynch, A. A.
Clough, William Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)
Clynes, John R. Hackett, J. McGhee, Richard
Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) Hancock, John George Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Hardie, J. Keir Macpherson, James Ian
Condon, Thomas Joseph Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) M'Kean, John
Cory, Sir Clifford John Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Cotton, William Francis Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.) M'Laren, Hon. F.W.S. (Lincs., Spalding)
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Manfield, Harry
Crean, Eugene Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Marks, Sir George Croydon
Crooks, William Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Martin, J.
Crumley, Patrick Hayden, John Patrick Mason, David M. (Coventry)
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) Hayward, Evan Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G.
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Hazleton, Richard Meagher, Michael
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Healy, Maurice (Cork) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)
Davies M. Vaughan- (Cardiganshire) Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.) Menzies, Sir Waiter
Dawes, J. A. Helme, Sir Norval Watson Millar, James Duncan
De Forest, Baron Hemmerde, Edward George Molloy, Michael
Delany, William Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Molteno, Percy Alport
Mond, Sir Alfred Moritz Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Sutton, John E.
Morrell, Philip Radford, G. H. Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Morison, Hector Raffan, Peter Wilson Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Muldoon, John Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Tennant, Harold John
Munro, R. Rea, Waiter Russell (Scarborough) Thomas, J. H.
Nannetti, Joseph P. Reddy, M. Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Needham, Christopher, Thomas Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Toulmin, Sir George
Nellson, Francis Redmond, William (Clare, E.) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Nolan, Joseph Rendall, Athelstan Wadsworth, J.
Norton, Cant. Cecil W. Richards, Thomas Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Walton, Sir Joseph
Nuttall, Harry Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Ward, John (Stoke-on-Trent)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
O'Connor, John, (Kildare, N.) Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Wardle, George J.
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) Waring, Walter
O'Doherty, Philip Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
O'Donnell, Thomas Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) Watt, Henry A.
O'Grady, James Robinson, Sidney Webb, H.
O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Roche, Augustine (Louth) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
O'Malley, William Roe, Sir Thomas White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Rowlands, James White, Patrick (Meath, North)
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Rowntree, Arnold Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
O'Shee, James John Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
O'Sullivan, Timothy Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Wiles, Thomas
Outhwaite, R. L. Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wilkie, Alexander
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Scanlan, Thomas Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Parker, James (Halifax) Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Sheehy, David Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Sherwell, Arthur James Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Shortt, Edward Winfrey, Richard
Pirie, Duncan Vernon Simon, Sir John Allsebrook Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Pointer, Joseph Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) Young, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Pollard, Sir George H. Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.) Young, William (Perth, East)
Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Snowden, Philip Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Power, Patrick Joseph Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Stanley, Albert (Staffs., N.W.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Sutherland, J. E. Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
NOES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cooper, Richard Ashmole Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Aitken, Sir William Max Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.)
Amery, L. C. M. S. Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Hewins, William Albert Samuel
Ashley, W. W. Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) Hickman, Colonel Thomas E.
Baird, J. L. Craik, Sir Henry Hill, Sir Clement L.
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Cripps, Sir C. A. Hoare, S. J. G.
Balcarres, Lord Denniss, E. R. B. Hohler, G. F.
Baldwin, Stanley Dixon, C. H. Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Doughty, Sir George Horne, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford)
Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) Duke, Henry Edward Houston, Robert Paterson
Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M. Hume-Williams, William Ellis
Barnston, H. Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Hunt, Rowland
Barrie, H. T. Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Hunter, Sir C. R.
Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) Falle, B. G. Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, E.)
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Fell, Arthur Jessel, Capt. H. M.
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- Fitzroy, Hon. Edward A. Kerry, Earl of
Bigland, Alfred Fletcher, John Samuel Kimber, Sir Henry
Blair, Reginald Forster, Henry William Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue Foster, Philip Staveley Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) Gardner, Ernest Lane-Fox, G. R.
Boyton, James Gibbs, G. A. Larmor, Sir J.
Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell Glazebrook, Capt. Philip K. Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Goldman, C. S. Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End)
Bull, Sir William James Goldsmith, Frank Lloyd, George Ambrose
Burdett-Coutts, W. Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)
Burn, Colonel, C. R. Goulding, Edward Alfred Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) Grant, J. A. Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R.
Campion, W. R. Greene, W. R. Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Gretton, John Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo. Han. S.)
Cassel, Felix Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S.E.) MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh
Cator, John Guinness, Hon. W.E. (Bury S.Edmunds) Mackinder, Halford J.
Cautley, H. S. Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Macmaster, Donald
Cave, George Haddock, George Bahr M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Magnus, Sir Philip
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Hall, Marshall (L'pool, E. Toxteth) Malcolm, Ian
Chambers, James Hambro, Angus Valdemar Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Hamersley, Alfred St. George Meysey-Thompson, E. C.
Clive, Captain Percy Archer Harris, Henry Percy Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Moore, William Royds, Edmund Thompson, Robert (Belfast, N.)
Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) Thynne, Lord Alexander
Mount, William Arthur Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Newdegate, F. A. Salter, Arthur Clavell Touche, George Alexander
Newman, John R. P. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Newton, Harry Kottingham Sanders, Robert A. Tullibardine, Marquess of
Nield, Herbert Sanderson, Lancelot Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Norton-Griffiths, J. Sassoon, Sir Philip White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud
Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Smith, Harold (Warrington) Wills, Sir Gilbert
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Spear, Sir John Ward Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Perkins, Walter Frank Stanier, Beville Winterton, Earl
Peto, Basil Edward Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Wolmer, Viscount
Pollock, Ernest Murray Starkey, John R. Worthington-Evans, L.
Pretyman, Ernest George Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Pryce-Jones, Col. E. (M'tgom'y B'ghs.) Steel-Maitland, A. D. Yate, Col. Charles Edward
Quilter, Sir William Eley C. Stewart, Gershom Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North)
Rees, Sir J. D. Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir A.
Remnant, James Farquharson Talbot, Lord E. Griffith-Boscawen and Mr. Ormsby-Gore.
Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Terrell, H. (Gloucester)

Committee report Progress, to sit again To-morrow (Friday).

The Orders for the remaining Government business were read, and postponed.

Whereupon, Mr. SPEAKER, pursuant to the Order of the House of 14th October, proposed the Question, "That this House do now adjourn."