§ (1) All existing judges of the Supreme Court, and County Court judges, and all existing Irish officers serving in an established capacity in the Civil Service of the Crown and receiving salaries charged on the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, shall, if at the date of the passing of this Act they are removable only on Address from both Houses of Parliament of the United Kingdom, continue to be removable only upon such an Address, and if removable in any other manner shall continue to be removable only in the same manner as before that date; and shall continue to receive the same salaries, gratuities, and pensions, and to be liable to perform the same duties as before that date or such duties as His Majesty may 2438 declare to be analogous, and their salaries and pensions shall be paid out of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom, and all sums so paid shall be made good by means of deductions from the Transferred Sum under this Act in accordance with Regulations made by the Treasury.
§ (2) If any of the said judges or officers retires from office with His Majesty's approbation before completion of the period of service entitling him to a pension, His Majesty may, if he thinks fit, after considering any representation that may be made by the Irish Government, grant to him such pension, not exceeding the pension to which he would on that completion have been entitled, as His Majesty thinks proper.
§ (3) Sub-section (1) of this Section shall apply to existing Irish officers serving in an established capacity in the Civil Service of the Crown, who, although receiving salaries (payable out of money provided 2439 by the Parliament of the United Kingdom and) not charged on the Consolidated Fund, are removable only for misconduct or incapacity.
§ Government Amendments:—
§ In Sub-section (1), after the word "pensions" ["salaries, gratuities, and pensions"], insert the words "and to I enjoy the same rights and privileges."
§ Leave out the words "paid out of the I Exchequer of the United Kingdom," and I insert instead thereof, the words "charged on and paid out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom or the growing produce thereof."
§ In Sub-section (3), leave out the words "serving in an established capacity."
§ Leave out the words "payable out of money provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom and."
§ At the end of the Clause, add the following words:—
§ "including officers removable under
2440§ Section seventy-three of the Supreme Court of Judicature Act (Ireland), 1877. Provided that, in the case of any such officer whose salary is payable otherwise than out of money provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, the provisions of that Sub-section with respect to the payment of salaries and pensions out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom shall not have effect, and in the case of any such officer whose salary is payable out of money provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom those provisions shall have effect with the substitution of payment out of money so provided for charges on and payment out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom."—[Mr. Birrell.]
§ Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 301; Noes, 178.
2443| Division No. 390.] | AYES. | [10.50 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Goldstone, Frank |
| Adamson, William | Cotton, William Francis | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) |
| Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. | Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) | Griffith, Ellis Jones |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Crean, Eugene | Guest, Hon. Major C. H. C.-(Pembroke) |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Crooks, William | Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) |
| Allen, Arthur Acland (Dumbartonshire) | Crumley, Patrick | Guiney, Patrick |
| Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud) | Cullinan, John | Gulland, John William |
| Arnold, Sydney | Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Davies, Ellis William (Eifion) | Hackett, J. |
| Baker, Harold T. (Accrington) | Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Hall, Frederick (Normanton) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Daves, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Hancock, John George |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Dawes, J. A. | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | De Forest, Baron | Hardie, J. Keir |
| Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) | Delany, William | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Luton, Beds) |
| Barnes, George N. | Denman, Hon. R. D. | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) |
| Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick) | Devlin, Joseph | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) |
| Barton, William | Dickinson, W. H. | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Dillon, John | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Donelan, Captain A. | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Doris, William | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) |
| Bentham, George Jackson | Duffy, William J. | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry |
| Black, Arthur W. | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Boland, John Pius | Duncan, J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley) | Hayward, Evan |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Hazleton, Richard |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid) | Healy, Maurice (Cork) |
| Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North) | Elverston, Sir Harold | Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N. E.) |
| Brace, William | Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Helme, Sir Nerval Watson |
| Brady, P. J. | Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) |
| Brocklehurst, William B | Essex, Richard Walter | Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.) |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Esslemont, George Birnie | Henry, Sir Charles |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Farrell, James Patrick | Higham, John Sharp |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Fenwick, Rt. Hon. Charles | Hinds, John |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) | Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Ffrench, Peter | Hodge, John |
| Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Field, William | Hogge, James Myles |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Holmes, Daniel Turner |
| Cawley, H. T. (Heywood) | Fitzgibbon, John | Holt, Richard Durning |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Hope, John Deans (Haddington) |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | France, Gerald Ashburner | Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Gilhooly, James | Hudson, Waiter |
| Clough, William | Gill, A. H. | Hughes, Spencer Leigh |
| Clynes, John R. | Ginnell, L. | Illingworth, Percy H. |
| Collins, Godfrey P. (Greenock) | Gladstone, W. G. C. | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Glanville, H. J. | John, Edward Thomas |
| Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) | Norton, Captain Cecil W. | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Nugent, Sir Walter Richard | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | Nuttall, Harry | Sheehy, David |
| Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | O'Brien, Fatrick (Kilkenny) | Sherwell, Arthur James |
| Jowett, Frederick William | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Shortt, Edward |
| Joyce, Michael | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook |
| Keating, Matthew | O'Doherty, Philip | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Kellaway, Frederick George | O'Donnell, Thomas | Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) |
| Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Ogden, Fred | Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim) |
| Kilbride, Denis | O'Grady, James | Snowden, Philip |
| King, J. | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) | Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert |
| Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) | Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.) |
| Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | O'Malley, William | Sutherland, J. E. |
| Lardner, James Carrige Rushe | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | Sutton, John E. |
| Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Leach, Charles | O'Shee, James John | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Levy, Sir Maurice | O'Sullivan, Timothy | Taylor, Thomas (Bolton) |
| Lewis, John Herbert | Outhwaite, R. L. | Tennant, Harold John |
| Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Palmer, Godfrey Mark | Thomas, James Henry |
| Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Parker, James (Halifax) | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Lundon, T. | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Thorne, William (West Ham) |
| Lyell, Charles Henry | Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Toulmin, Sir George |
| Lynch, A. A. | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) | Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| McGhee, Richard | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Pirie, Duncan v. | Wadsworth, J. |
| MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) | Pointer, Joseph | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Pollard, Sir George H. | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| M'Callum, Sir John M. | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| M'Kean, John | Power, Patrick Joseph | Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton) |
| McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) | Wardle, George J. |
| M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) | Price, Sir R. J. (Norfolk, E.) | Waring, Walter |
| Manfield, Harry | Priestley, Sir W. E. (Bradford) | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Pringle, William M. R. | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Marks, Sir George Croydon | Radford, G. H. | Watt, Henry Anderson |
| Marshall, Arthur Harold | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) | Webb, H. |
| Martin, J. | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) | White, J. Dundas (Glas., Tradeston) |
| Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Reddy, M. | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E. R.) |
| Masterman, Rt. Hon. C. F. G. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Meagher, Michael | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) | Whyte, A. F. (Perth) |
| Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Menzies, Sir Walter | Rendall, Athelstan | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Millar, James Duncan | Richards, Thomas | Williams, John (Glamorgan) |
| Molloy, Michael | Richardson, Albion (Peckham) | Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen) |
| Mooney, John J. | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) | Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough) |
| Morison, Hector | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Wilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.) |
| Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Muldoon, John | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) | Winfrey, Richard |
| Munro, R. | Robinson, Sidney | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Roche, Augustine (Louth) | Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.) |
| Nannetti, Joseph P. | Roe, Sir Thomas | Young, W. (Perthshire, E.) |
| Needham, Christopher Thomas | Rowlands, James | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Neilson, Francis | Rowntree, Arnold | |
| Nicholson, Sir Charles N, (Doncaster) | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. |
| Nolan, Joseph | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) | Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones. |
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Burn, Colonel, C. R. | Dixon, C. H. |
| Aitken, Sir William Max | Butcher, John George | Doughty, Sir George |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred | Duke, Henry Edward |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. | Faber, George Denison (Clapham) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Cassel, Felix | Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) |
| Baird, J. L. | Cator, John | Falle, B. G. |
| Balcarres, Lord | Cautley, H, S. | Fell, Arthur |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Cave, George | Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Fleming, Valentine |
| Barnston, Harry | Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Fletcher, John Samuel |
| Bathurst, C. (Wilts, Wilton) | Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. | Foster, Philip Staveley |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | Gardner, Ernest |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Chambers, James | Gastrell, Major W. Houghton |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Clay, Capt. H. H. Spender | Gibbs, G. A. |
| Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Goldman, C. S. |
| Beresford, Lord C. | Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Goldsmith, Frank |
| Bigland, Alfred A. | Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) |
| Bird, A. | Courthope, George Loyd | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Blair, Reginald | Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Grant, J. A. |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Gretton, John |
| Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid) | Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Guinness, Hon. Rupert (Essex, S. E.) |
| Boyton, James | Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Craik, Sir Henry | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) |
| Bull, Sir William James | Dalziel, D. (Brixton) | Haddock, George Bahr |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Denniss, E. R. B. | Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) |
| Hambro, Angus Valdemar | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Mackinder, Halford J. | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.) | Macmaster, Donald | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) | Stanier, Beville |
| Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Magnus, Sir Philip | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Harris, Henry Percy | Meysey-Thompson, E. C. | Starkey, John Ralph |
| Harrison-Broadley, H. B. | Middlemore, John Throgmorton | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Helmsley, Viscount | Mildmay, Francis Bingham | Steel-Maitland, A. D. |
| Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) | Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas | Stewart, Gershom |
| Hewins, William Albert Samuel | Moore, William | Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) |
| Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. | Mount, William Arthur | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) |
| Hill, Sir Clement L. | Neville, Reginald J. N. | Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central) |
| Hills, John Waller | Newdegate, F. A. | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Hill-Wood, Samuel | Newton, Harry Kottingham | Thompson, Robert (Belfast, North) |
| Hoare, S. J. G. | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) |
| Hohler, G. F. | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) | Thynne, Lord A. |
| Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. | Tobin, Alfred Aspinall |
| Hope, Major J. A. (Midlothian) | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Touche, George Alexander |
| Home, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) | Tryon, Captain George Clement |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Parkes, Ebenezer | Tullibardine, Marquess of |
| Hume-Williams, Wm. Ellis | Peto, Basil Edward | Valentia, Viscount |
| Hunt, Rowland | Pole-Carew, Sir R. | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Pollock, Ernest Murray | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Kerry, Earl of | Pretyman, Ernest George | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Kimber, Sir Henry | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Randies, Sir John S. | Wills, Sir Gilbert |
| Knight, Captain Eric Ayshford | Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel | Winterton, Earl |
| Lane-Fox, G. R. | Rees, Sir J. D. | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Larmor, Sir J. | Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | Rothschild, Lionel de | Yate, Colonel, C. E. |
| Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Royds, Edmund | Yerburgh, Robert A. |
| Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. | Rutherford, Watson (L'pool., W. Derby) | Younger, Sir George |
| Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee | Salter, Arthur Clavell | |
| Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
| Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo., Han. S.) | Sanders, Robert Arthur | Barlow and Mr. H. Barrie. |
| Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) |
§ Committee report Progress; to sit again on 9th December (Monday).
§ The Orders for remaining Government business were read, and postponed.
§ Whereupon, Mr. SPEAKER, pursuant to the Order of the House of 14th October, proposed the Question, "That this House do now adjourn."