HC Deb 18 May 1911 vol 25 cc2146-8
Mr. WATSON RUTHERFORD

asked whether the £400 per annum for Members was to be free of Income Tax; and, if not, whether it would be classed for Income Tax as earned or unearned?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

The salaries of Members of Parliament will be liable to Income Tax as earned incomes.

Mr. ARTHUR LEE

Will that apply in the case of a Member who is absent during an entire Session?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

I take it that such a Member will have obtained leave of absence from the House, and then it would be treated as sick pay.

Mr. LANSBURY

Seeing that we are providing that working men shall pay at least a portion of the premium necessary to secure sick pay, will Members of Parliament be expected to pay a premium to obtain this payment in case of sickness?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

I think the cost of elections is their contribution.

Mr. FELL

asked if the payment of Members was to be made according to attendance at the House of Commons; if the payment of 400 per Member was to be a fixed fee; and if allowance was to be made for absence owing to illness or any other cause?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

The answer to the first inquiry is in the negative; to the second in the affirmative; the third, therefore, does not arise.

Viscount HELMSLEY

Does the right hon. Gentleman mean that it is impossible for this House to lay down any conditions as to the payment?

Mr. FELL

asked if any provision was made in the Budget for the payment of the Members of the House of Lords; and if there was any precedent in any country for the Members of one Chamber to be paid whilst the Members of the other Chamber were unpaid?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. With regard to the second part, I believe the Second Chamber in this country to be without a parallel in any other country in the world, and I have no reason to suppose that the problem which faces the man without means who is called upon to take part in politics is one which has in that House reached a very acute form.

Mr. FELL

I did not ask as to the nature of the House; I asked whether there was any other country where the Members of one Chamber were paid whilst the Members of the other Chamber were unpaid.

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

My answer to that is "No," because there is no parallel to our present Second Chamber.

Mr. FELL

asked if any additional payment would be made to Members in years when there was an. Autumn Session; and was the payment to be made for the Session or for the year?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. Payment is to be made by the year.