HC Deb 09 March 1911 vol 22 cc1513-7

Where since the date of the passing of the principal Act any licence on which duty is charged under Part II. of that Act and which is in force at the time of the passing of this Act has been granted on payment of a portion only of the duty, whether in pursuance of Sub-section (3) of Section forty-nine of the principal Act or not, any portion of the duty not paid may, without prejudice to the operation of the said sub-section in cases where that sub-section is applicable, be recovered from the licence-holder as a debt due to His Majesty.

Question proposed, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."


I should like the Secretary to the Treasury or the Attorney-General to state the meaning of this Clause. I do not quite understand it.


This Clause is necessary in order that we may be able to recover the instalments which, as a matter of concession, were allowed in the Act. Instead of the duty being paid in one sum it could be paid by instalments. It is necessary to have this provision in order that we may recover instalments of unpaid duty. It does not change the law in any way. It only gives us the power which we have not got until we pass this Clause. A considerable time elapsed between the introduction of the Bill and its passing into law.


But surely it is provided for in Section 49 of the principal Act, Sub-section (3), which provides for the instalments and at the end says:—

"In default of the payment of the second instalment of the duty the licence shall cease to be in force."

Therefore the safeguard for the payment is the cancellation of the licence.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 248; Noes, 137.

Division No. 46.] AYES. [10.3 p.m.
Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) Buxton, Rt. Hon. S. C. (Poplar) Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.)
Acland, Francis Dyke Byles, W. Pollard Essex, Richard Waiter
Adamson, William Carr-Gomm, H. W. Falconer, James
Addison, Dr. C. Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Farrell, James Patrick
Agnew, Sir George William Chancellor, H. G Fenwick, Charles
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Chapple, Dr. William Allen Ferens, T. R.
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Ffronch, Peter
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Clancy, John Joseph Field, William
Barlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset) Clough, William Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward
Barnes, G. N. Clynes, John R. Fitzgibbon, John
Barran, Sir J. (Hawick) Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Flavin, Michael Joseph
Barran, Rowland Hirst (Leeds, N.) Condon, Thomas Joseph Furness, Stephen W.
Barry, Redmond John (Tyrone, N.) Corbett, A. Cameron Gelder, Sir W. A.
Barton, William Cornwall, Sir Edwin Gill, Alfred Henry
Beale, William Philpson Cotton, William Francis Glanville, H. J.
Beauchamp, Edward Crawshay-Williams, Ellot Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford
Beck, Arthur Cecil Crumley, Patrick Goldstone, Frank
Benn, W. W. (Tower Ham., St. Geo.) Davies, E. William (Eifion) Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland)
Bentham, George J. Davies, Timothy (Lines., Louth) Greig, Colonel J. W.
Birrell, Rt. Hon. A. Dawes, James Arthur Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke)
Black, Arthur W. Delany, William Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.)
Booth, Frederick Handel Dillon, John Hackett, J.
Bowerman, Charles W. Donelan, Captain A. Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil)
Boyle, D. (Mayo, N.) Doris, W. Harvey, A. G. C. Rochdale
Brace, William Duffy, William J. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.)
Brady, P. J. Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) Haslam, James (Derbyshire)
Brocklehurst, W. B. Edwards, Allen Clement (Glamorgan, E.) Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)
Brunner, J. F. L. Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Havelock-Allan, Sir H.
Burke, E. Haviland. Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of Haworth, Arthur A.
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Eiverston, H. Hayden, John Patrick
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Hayward, Evan
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Mooney, J. J. Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Henderson, J. McD. (Aberdeen, W.) Morgan, George Hay Roche, John (Galway, E.)
Henry, Sir Charles S. Worrell, Philip Roe, Sir Thomas
Higham, John Sharp Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Rowlands, James
Hinds, John Munro, R. St. Maur, Harold
Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Holt, R. D. Needham, Christopher T. Samuel, J. (Stockton)
Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) Neilson, Francis Scanlan, Thomas
Hughes, S. L. Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncaster) Scott, A. M'Callum (Glasgow, Bridgeton)
Isaacs, Sir Rufus Daniel Nolan, Joseph Sherwell, Arthur James
Jardine, Sir John (Roxburghshire) Norman, Sir Henry Shortt, Edward
John, Edward Thomas Norton, Captain Cecil W. Simon, Sir John Allsebrook
Johnson, William O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clithero)
Jones, Henry Hayden (Merioneth) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton)
Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Jones, William (Arfon) O'Dowd, John Snowden, P.
Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts., Stepney) O'Grady, James Soares, Ernest J.
Joyce, Michael O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.)
Keating, M. O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West)
Kellaway, Frederick George O'Malley, William Summers, J. W.
Kilbride, Denis O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) Sutton, John E.
Lamb, Ernest Henry O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Lambert, George (Devon, Molton) O'Sullivan, Timothy Toulmin, George
Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) Palmer, Godfrey M. Trevelyan, Charles P.
Lawson, Sir W.(Cumb'rlnd., Cockerm'th) Parker, James (Halifax) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Leach, Charles Pearce, Robert (Staffs., Leek) Verney, Sir Harry
Levy, Sir Maurice Pearce, William (Limehouse) Wadsworth, J.
Logan, John William Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) Walters, John Tudor
Low, Sir F. (Norwich) Pickersgill, E. H. Walton, Sir Joseph
Lundon, T. Pirie, Duncan v. Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Lynch, A. A. Pointer, Joseph Ward, W. D. (Southampton)
Macdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester) Pollard, Sir G. H. Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay
Macnaman, Dr. T. J. Power, Patrick Joseph Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Watt, Henry A
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Webb, H.
M'Callum, John M. Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
M'Curdy, C. A. Radford, G. H. White, Sir George (Norfolk)
McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Raffan, Peter Wilson White, Patrick (Meath, North)
M'Laren, H. D (Lines., Spalding) Rainy, A. Rowland Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
M'Laren, Walter S. B. (Ches., Crewe) Raphael, Sir H. H. Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
M'Micking, Major Gilbert Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) Wiles, Thomas
Marks, G. Croydon Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Marshall, Arthur Harold Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Mason, David M. (Coventry) Redmond, William (Clare) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Masterman, C. F. G. Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Mathias, Richard Rendall, Athelstan Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Meagher, Michael Richards, Thomas Wood, T. M'Kinnon (Glasgow)
Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.)
Menzies, Sir Walter Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Young, W. (Perthshire, E.)
Molteno, Percy Alport Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Mond, Sir Alfred M. Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbigh) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— Mr. Gulland and Mr. Illingworth.
Money, L. G. Chiozza Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Montagu, Hon E. S. Robinson, Sidney
Acland-Hood Rt. Hon. Sir Alex. F. Cave, George Hall, Fred (Dulwich)
Ashley, W. W. Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. Hambro, Angus Valdemar
Actor, Waldorf Clay, Captain H. Spender Harris, Henry Percy
Bagot, Lieut.-Colonel J. Clive, Percy Archer Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) Clyde, J. Avon Hickman, Colonel Thomas E.
Balcarres, Lord Cooper, Richard Ashmole Hillier, Dr. A. P.
Baldwin, Stanley Courthope, G. Loyd Hills, J. W.
Barlow, Montague (Salford) Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Hill-Wood, Samuel
Barnston, H. Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian Hohler, G. F.
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) Dairymple, Viscount Hope, Harry (Bute)
Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc., E.) Doughty, Sir George Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield)
Bathurst, Charles (Wilton) Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers. Horne, W. E. (Surrey, Guildford)
Beckett, Hon. W. Gervase Du Cros, Arthur Philip Houston, Robert Paterson
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Jardine, E. (Somerset, E.)
Benn, I. H. (Greenwich) Fell, Arthur Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr
Bennett-Goldney, Francis Fleming, Valentine Kerry, Earl of
Beresford, Lord C. Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) Knight, Capt. E. A.
Bigland, Alfred Forster, Henry William Larmor, Sir J.
Bird, A. Foster, Philip Staveley Lewisham, Viscount
Boyton, James Gardner, Ernest Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Gastrell, Major W. H. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich)
Burdett-Coutts, W. Gibbs, G. A. Macmaster, Donald
Burgoyne, A. H. Gilmour, Captain J. Magnus, Sir Philip
Burn, Colonel C. R. Goldman, C. S. Meysey-Thompson, E. C.
Butcher, J. G. (York) Goldsmith, Frank Mildmay, F. B.
Carlile, E. Hildred Grant, J. A. Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas
Cassel, Felix Gretton, John Morpeth, Viscount
Cator, John Guinness, Hen. W. E. Mount, William Arthur
Noville, Reginald J. N. Rothschild, Lionel de Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.)
Newton, Harry Kottingham Royds, Edmund Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Nicholson, Wm. G. (Paterofield) Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) Valentia, Viscount
Nield, Herbert Rutherford, W. (Liverpool, W. Derby) Walker, Col. William Hall
O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid.) Salter, Arthur Claveil Ward, Arnold (Herts, Watford)
Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) Wheler, Granville C. H.
Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) Sanders, Robert A. White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) Sanderson, Lancelot Willoughby, Major Hon. Claude
Peel, Capt. R. F. (Woodbridge) Scott, Leslie (Liverpool, Exchange) Winterton, Earl
Peel, Hon. W. R. W. (Taunton) Smith, Harold (Warrington) Wolmer, Viscount
Perkins, Walter F. Spear, John Ward Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Ripon)
Peto, Basil Edward Stanier, Beville Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Pollock, Ernest Murray Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) Worthington-Evans, L.
Pretyman, E. G. Staveley-Hill, Henry Yate, Col. C. E.
Ratcliff, Major R. F. Steel-Maitland, A. D. Younger, George
Remnant, James Farquharson Stewart, Gershom
Rice, Hon. W. F. Swift, Rigby TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— Sir F. Banbury and Col. Griffith-Boscawen.
Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Sykes, Alan John
Ronaldshay, Earl of Talbot, Lord E.

Question, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill," put and agreed to.