HC Deb 12 December 1911 vol 32 cc2125-6
Sir H. CARLILE

asked whether any actuarial estimate has been, or can be, made of the increase in the prices of commodities and manufactures as a result of employers placing the contributory charges under the National Insurance Bill on the cost of production?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (Mr. Lloyd George)

I see no reason to anticipate the result apprehended by the hon. Member, which, in any case, would obviously not admit of actuarial calculation.

Sir H. CARLILE

Where does the cost go, if not to commodities?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

My expectation is justified not only in Germany, but in other countries where the system has been adopted, that it will be absorbed in the increased efficiency of the workmen.

Mr. AMERY

Does the right hon. Gentleman expect increased efficiency to result at once?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

No; not until the Bill has got into full operation.

Mr. CROOKS

Can anybody swim without entering the water?