HC Deb 10 May 1899 vol 71 cc228-31

Motion made and Question proposed— That Committees do not sit to-morrow, being Ascension Day, until Two of the clock." —(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)

* MR. J. E. ELLIS

(Nottingham, Rushcliffe) said that this motion was a survival, and was intended to afford Members an opportunity of commemorating one of the great Christian landmarks which they all held so sacred. But the right honourable Gentleman the Leader of the House would acknowledge, he was sure, that a proper commemoration of the event was one with which Parliamentary procedure had very little to do. It lay within the spiritual sphere with which the House of Commons had little or no concern, and the overt act of commemoration had often afforded a very imperfect indication of the real spirit of the true commemoration. The right honourable Gentleman had used the expression in reply to a question on the previous day, as to this motion "immemorial practice." Now the right honourable Gentleman was a master of language, and if he pursued his investigations a little further he would find that the word immemorial as applied to the practice was not quite accurate. The right honourable Gentleman was, he believed, Scotch, and he must be aware that his own countrymen—whom they all acknowledged to be the most religious of nations—did not take the same view as prevailed in this country of Good Friday, for instance, and he could not admit for a moment that the Scotch did not understand that great Christian event then commemorated. The right honourable Gentleman was in a singularly unique position to make a new departure. His adherence to the Christian faith was known, and not for a moment could anyone take exception to his action on that account. If before next year the right honourable Gentleman would make inquiry, he would realise the extreme inconvenience which this motion caused to persons engaged in important work in Committees upstairs, as well as to Members of the House itself, and the difficulties it creates, and then he might take a different view of the matter. He hoped that it would be

AYES.
Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Fry, Lewis Milward, Colonel Victor
Aird, John Galloway, William Johnson Monckton, Edward Philip
Allhusen, Augustus H. Eden Garfit, William Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Archdale, Edward Mervyn Gedge, Sydney Moore, William (Antrim, N.)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Giles, Charles Tyrrell Mount, William George
Austin, Sir John (Yorkshire) Goldsworthy, Major-General Muntz, Philip A.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Gordon, Hon. John Edward Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath
Baird, John George Alexander Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon Myers, William Henry
Balcarres, Lord Goschen, George J. (Sussex) Newdigate, Francis Alexander
Baldwin, Alfred Goulding, Edward Alfred O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A J. (Manch'r Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Parkes, Ebenezer
Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds Green, Walfond D. (Wedn'sbury Pease, Herbert P. (Darlington
Barnes, Frederic Gorell Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury) Penders Sir James
Bartley, George C. T Gretton, John Penn, John
Barton, Dunbar Plunket Gull, Sir Cameron Percy, Earl
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Bristol Gunter, Colonel Phillpotts, Captain Arthur
Bemrose, Sir Henry Howe Hanson, Sir Reginald Pilkington, Richard
Bethell, Commander Hardy, Laurence Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Blakiston-Houston, John Haslett, Sir James Horner Power, Patrick Joseph
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Helder, Augustus Purvis, Robert
Brassey, Albert Hill, Sir Edward Stock (Bristol Rankin, Sir James
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Holland, Hon. Lionel R. (Bow) Richards, Henry Charles
Carlile, William Walter Hornby, Sir William Henry Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Russell, Gen. F. S. (Cheltenham
Cayzer, Sir Charles William Houston, R. P. Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse)
Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East) Hutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice- Sandys, Lieut-Col. Thos. Myles
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies Savory, Sir Joseph
Chaloner, Captain R. G. W. Jebb, Richard Claverhouse Seely, Charles Hilton
Clarke, Sir Edward (Plymouth) Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick Sharpe, William Edward T.
Coghill, Douglas Harry Johnston, William (Belfast) Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Kemp, George Sidebottom, William (Derbys.
Colston, Chas, Edw. H. Athole Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. Spencer, Ernest
Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W. Kenyon, James Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Cox, Irwin Edward B. (Harrow) Kenyon-Slaney, Col. William Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Cranborne, Viscount Kimber, Henry Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Cripps, Charles Alfred Knowles, Lees Stock, James Henry
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Cruddas, William Donaldson Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.) Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
Cubitt, Hon. Henry Lecky, Rt. Hon. William E. H. Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.) Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Ox. Univ.
Curzon, Viscount Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Tollemache, Henry James
Dalkeith, Earl of Leighton, Stanley Usborne, Thomas
Denny, Colonel Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Wanklyn, James Leslie
Dillon, John Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham Warr, Augustus Frederick
Disraeli, Conings by Ralph Lopes, Henry Yarde Buller Webster, Sir R. E. (Isle of Wight
Dorington, Sir John Edward Loyd, Archie Kirkman Welby, Lieut.-Col. A. C. E.
Doughty, George Lucas-Shadwell, William Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Macaleese, Daniel Whiteley, George (Stockport)
Doxford, William Theodore Macdona, John Cumming Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V. Maclver, David (Liverpool) Willox, Sir John Archibald
Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Maclean, James Mackenzie Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
Fardell, Sir T. George Maclure, Sir John William Wodchouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward M' Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Field, Admiral (Eastbourne) M' Killop, James Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Finch, George H. Malcolm, Ian Wyndham, George
Fisher, William Hayes Maxwell, Rt. Hn. Sir Herb'rt E. Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Fison, Frederick William Mellor, Rt. Hn J. W. (Yorks.) Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose Melville, Beresford Valentine Young, Commander (Berks,E.)
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. Younger, William
Fletcher, Sir Henry Middlemore, J. Throgmorton TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Flower, Ernest Milbank, Sir Powlett Chas. J. Sir William Walrond and
Folkestone, Viscount Milner, Sir Frederick George Mr. Anstruther.

understood that it was not for a single moment that he undervalued this great Christian landmark that he made these observations and challenged the motion.

Question put.

The House divided:— Ayes, 184; Noes, 68.—(Division List No. 131).

NOES
Allan, William (Gateshead) Fenwick, Charles Nussey, 'Thomas Willans
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Gourley, Sir Edward Temperley Palmer, Sir Charles M. (Durham
Bainbridge, Emerson Gurdon, Sir William Brampton Paulton, James Mellor
Baker, Sir John Harwood, George Perks, Robert William
Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm. Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Priestley, Briggs (Yorks.)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Hedderwick, Thomas C. H. Richardson, J. (Durham, S. E.)
Billson, Alfred Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. Rickett, J. Compton
Birrell, Augustine Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R. Robertson, Edmund (Dundee)
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Jacoby, James Alfred Samuel, J. (Stockton on Tees)
Burt, Thomas Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Caldwell, James Joicey, Sir James Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. Spicer, Albert
Cameron, Robert (Durham) Kinloch, Sir John George Smyth Strachey, Edward
Causton, Richard Knight Kitson, Sir James Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E.
Channing, Francis Allston Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'land) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Clarke, Dr. G. B. (Caithness-sh.) Lea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry Wallace, Robert (Edinburgh)
Colville, John Leese, Sir Joseph F. Accrington Wallace, Robert (Perth)
Crombie, John William Leng, Sir John Williams, John Carvell (Notts.
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Leuty, Thomas Richmond Wilson, Frederick W. (Norfolk)
Dalziel, James Henry Lloyd-George, David Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Lough, Thomas
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Lyell, Sir Leonard TELLERS FOR THE NOES
Duckworth, James M'Ghee, Richard Mr. John Ellis and Mr.
Farquharson, Dr. Robert Maden, John Henry Oldroyd.