HC Deb 13 June 1899 vol 72 cc1002-5

Order for consideration, as amended, read.

Motion made, and Question proposed—

"That the Order for the Consideration of the Bill, a amended, be deferred till Thursday next,"—(Dr. Farquharson.)

MR. DUNCOMBE (Cumberland, Egremont)

I beg to protest against the postponement of this Bill again. It seems to me that the time has come to make more than a formal protest against these continual postponements. We really must make some effort to carry on the business of the House in accordance with the official programme. I think it is my duty, on behalf of private Members, to protest against the system of bringing us down here over and over again to consider private business, which has been put down by Order, and on a certain day, only to find that it has been postponed. I shall divide the House on the postponement of this Bill.

MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.)

The Bill has been postponed by consent of all parties, with a view to a possible conference, which will manifestly be for the convenience and interest of all the parties.


It may be for the convenience of the parties interested in the Bill to postpone it, but it is not at all for the convenience or the dignity of the House. In my opinion, after so much patience has been shown by my hon. friend, he owes it

as a duty to himself and the House to go to a Division.


My hon. friend has been exceedingly patient, but very serious questions of principle are involved in this Bill, which ought to be carefully considered, and I do not think anything can be said against the postponement for a few days.

MR. STUART (Shoreditch, Hoxton)

I am sure it would be very convenient for the business of the House if we were to insist absolutely in proceeding with a Bill when it is down by Order. But anyone who knows the House knows that very frequently a Bill on which there is a conflict of serious issues is settled out of Court, and the time of the House is greatly saved thereby in discussions that may arise here and also in Committee in another place. I sincerely hope that there will be no effort made to reverse the proceedings which have been adopted by this House for a long time under circumstances similar to those of this Bill.

Question put.

The House divided: Ayes, 168; Noes, 34. (Division List No. 187.)

Ambrose, Robert Commins, Andrew Gurdon, Sir WilliamBrampton
Arnold, Alfred Courtney, Rt. Hon.LeonardH. Halsey, Thomas Frederick
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Cranborne, Viscount Hammons, John (Carlow)
Arrol, Sir William Crombie, John William Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert W.
Ashton, Thomas Gair Cubitt, Hon. Henry Healy, Maurice (Cork)
Austin, M. (Limerick, W.) Curzon, Viscount Healy, Thomas J. (Wexford)
Bailey, James (Walworth) Davies, M. V.- (Cardigan) Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)
Baldwin, Alfred Davitt, Michael Hedderwick, Thomas Chas. H.
Barnes, Frederic Gorell Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Helder, Augustus
Barry, Rt Hon A H S (Hunts) Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Chas. H.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Dillon, John Hill, Sir E. Stock (Bristol)
Bartley, George C. T. Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hogan, James Francis
Barton, Dunbar Plunket Donelan, Captain A. Horniman, Frederick John
Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin Doogan, P. C. Houldsworth, Sir Wm. H.
Bill, Charles Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Jebb, Richard Claverhouse
Blake, Edward Farquharson, Dr. Robert Johnson-Ferguson, Jabez E.
Blundell, Colonel Henry Farrell, James P. (Cavan, W.) Johnston, William (Belfast)
Bond, Edward Fenwick, Charles Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Jones, David B. (Swansea)
Brown, Alexander H. FitzGerald,SirRobertPenrose- Jordan, Jeremiah
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Flavin, Michael Joseph Kenyon, James
Buxton, Sydney Charles Fletcher, Sir Henry Kilbride, Denis
Caldwell, James Gedge, Sydney Kinloch, Sir John George S.
Cameron, Robert (Durham) Gibney, James Knowles, Lees
Campbell,Rt.Hn.J A (Gl'sg'w) Goddard, Daniel Ford Langley, Batty
Cawley, Frederick Gold, Charles Lawrence, Sir E. D. (Corn.)
Coddington, Sir William Goldsworthy, Major-General Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Gordon, Hon. John Edward Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
Collery, Bernard Graham, Henry Robert Lawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Greene,HenryD.(Shrewsbury) Lecky, Rt. Hon. W. Edw. H.
Colville, John Gunter, Colonel Leng, Sir John
Leuty, Thomas Richmond O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Long,Col.Chas. W. (Evesham) O'Connor, Jas.(Wicklow,W.) Stewart Sir Mark J. McT.
Lowther,Rt.Hn.J.W.(Cumb'd) O'Kelly, James Stone, Sir Benjamin
Lyell, Sir Leonard Oldroyd, Mark Stuart, James (Shoreditch)
MacAleese, Daniel Palmer, Geo. Wm. (Reading) Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
Macdona, John Cumming Paulton, James Mellor Sullivan, T. D. (Donegal, W.)
MacDonnell,Dr.M. A. (Qu'nsC) Pilkington,R.(Lanes, Newton) Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
MacNeill, J. Gordon Swift Platt-Higgins, Frederick Trevelyan, Charles Philips
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Wallace, Robert
M'Ghee, Richard Power, Patrick Joseph Webster, R. G. (St. Pancras)
M'Kenna, Reginald Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Weir, James Galloway
Maddison, Fred. Rankin, Sir James Welby, Lieut.-Col. A. C. E.
Malcolm, Ian Rasch, Major Frederic Carne Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire) Renshaw, Charles Bine Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.
Mellor,Rt.Hon.J.W.(Yorks.) Richardson, J. (Durham, S.E.) Wills, Sir William Henry
Mendl, Sigismund F. Robson, William Snowdon Wilson, Hen. J. (York, W.R.)
Middlemore, J. Throgmorton Roche, John (East Galway) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Minch, Matthew Rothschild, Hn. Lionel Walter Wilson, John (Govan)
Monk, Charles James Russell, T. W. (Tyrone) Wilson,J.W.(Worcestersh,N.)
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Samuel, J. (Stockton on Tees) Wodehouse,RtHn.E.R. (Bath)
Moore, William (Antrim, N.) Saunderson,Rt. Hn. Col. E. J. Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Morley,Rt.Hon.J.(Montrose) Schwann, Charles E. Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
Morris, Samuel Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard Young, Samuel (Cavan, East
Murnaghan, George Sharpe, William Edward T. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Nicol, Donald Ninian Sidehotham, J. W. (Cheshire) Mr. Radcliffe Cooke and
Norton, Capt. Cecil William Smith,JamesParker (Lanarks) Mr. Purvis.
Aird, John Howell, William Tudor O'Neil, Hon. Robert Torrens
Allan, William (Gateshead) Howorth, Sir Henry Hoyle Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Jacoby, James Alfred Roberts, J. H. (Denbighs.)
Billson, Alfred Laurie, Lieut.-General Strachey, Edward
Bowles, T. G. (King's Lynn) Lloyd-George, David Thornburn, Walter
Carson, Rt. Hon. Edward Loder, Gerald Walter E. Tully, Jasper
Ellis, John Edward Lough, Thomas Wedderburn, Sir William
Firbank, Joseph Thomas Maclean, James Mackenzie Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Fison, Frederick William M'Calmont, Col. (Antrim, E.)
Garfit, William M'Killop, James TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Gourley, Sir E. Temperley Marks, Henry Hananel Mr. Duncombe and Colonel
Gretton, John Molloy, Bernard Charles Dalbiac.
Greville, Hon. Ronald Nussey, Thomas Willans

Main Question, as amended, put, and agreed to.

Order for consideration, as amended, deferred till Thursday.