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Amendment proposed—
Page 1, line 6, to leave out the words 'on the expiration or other determination of a previous term of office.'"—(Mr. Caldwell.)
§ MR. CALDWELLThe reason I move to omit these words is that I can see no possible necessity or justification for them. No doubt there are similar words in the English Act, but I fail to see why we should slavishly follow English precedent in dealing with the case of Scotland.
§ THE LORD ADVOCATE (Mr. GRAHAM MURRAY, Buteshire)If these words are found necessary and desirable in the English Act, they are, I think, still more applicable in this Bill. I cannot accept the Amendment.
§ Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
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Amendment proposed—
Page 1, line 7, after the word 'office' insert the words 'and who has taken the oaths required by law to be taken by a justice of the peace.'"—(Mr. Caldwell.)
§ Amendment agreed to.
§
Amendment proposed—
Page 1, line 7, leave out the words 'continue to.'"—(Mr. Caldwell.)
§ MR. CALDWELLI may tell the right honourable Gentleman at once that I shall press this Amendment to a Division. According to the clause as it stands, if a chairman is re-elected, he will require to take the oath a second time, if an interval occurs between the expiration of the first period which qualified him and his re-election. I can conceive no possible ground for such a provision.
§ This is a matter on which we hold a very strong opinion, and, unless the right honourable Gentleman gives way, I shall be bound to take a Division.
§ MR. GRAHAM MURRAYI am afraid I cannot accept this Amendment. There is a perfectly good reason for the provision to which the honourable Gentleman objects. There may be an interval of 20 years between a chairman's first term of office and his re-election, and I cannot imagine what hardship is done him by requiring him again to take the oath.
§ DR. CLARKThe principle on which we support this Amendment is that after a man once pays his fees and takes the oath he ought not to be compelled to repeat the performance when he is re-elected. The proposition is ridiculous, because the mere fact that a man has acted as chairman for one term of office and gained experience makes it desirable to secure a man with that experience, rather than to place difficulties in his way.
§
Question put—
That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill.
§ The House divided.—Ayes 119; Noes.42.—(Division List No. 133.)
1263| AYES. | ||
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Corbett, A. C. (Glasgow) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Bullard, Sir Harry | Cox, Robert |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (Manch'r) | Burdett-Coutts, W. | Cranborne, Viscount |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs) | Cubitt, Hon. Henry |
| Barnes, Frederic Gorell | Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbysh.) | Curzon, Viscount (Bucks) |
| Barton, Dunbar Plunket | Chaloner, Captain R. G. W. | Davenport, W. Bromley- |
| Beach, Rt. Hn Sir M. H. (Bristol) | Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.) | Denny, Colonel |
| Bemrose, Sir Henry Howe | Chamberlain, J. A. (Worcr.) | Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph |
| Beresford, Lord Charles | Charrington, Spencer | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers |
| Bill, Charles | Cochrane, Hon. T. H. A. E. | Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V. |
| Bond, Edward | Coghill, Douglas Harry | Fellowes, Hon. A. Edward |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Fergusson, RtHn Sir J. (Manc'r) |
| Brassey, Albert | Colomb, Sir J. C. Ready | Field, Admiral (Eastbourne) |
| Finch, George H. | Lafone, Alfred | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. C. Thomson |
| Finlay, Sir R. Bannatyne | Lawrence, Sir E. (Cornwall) | Round, James |
| Fisher, William Hayes | Lawson, John Grant (Yorks) | Russell, T. W. (Tyrone) |
| Flannery, Fortescue | Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) | Samuel, H. S. (Limehouse) |
| Folkestone, Viscount | Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. | Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles |
| Galloway, William Johnson | Loder, Gerald W. Erskine | Savory, Sir Joseph |
| Garfit, William | Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool) | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Giles, Charles Tyrrell | Lucas-Shadwell, William | Stanley, Lord (Lancs) |
| Godson, Augustus Frederick | Macartney, W. G. Ellison | Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'dUni.) |
| Goldsworthy, Major-General | Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W.F. | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Gordon, Hon. John Edward | Milner, Sir Frederick George | Tomlinson, Win. E. Murray |
| Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon | Milton, Viscount | Valentia, Viscount |
| Goschen, Rt. Hn. G.J.(St.Geo's) | Milward, Colonel Victor | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | More, Robert Jasper | Webster, Sir R. E. (I. of W.) |
| Gull. Sir Cameron | Morrell, George Herbert | Welby, Lieut.-Col. A. C. E. |
| Hanbury, Rt. Hon. E. W. | Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute) | Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.) |
| Hardy, Laurence | Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Hare, Thomas Leigh | Myers, William Henry | Williams, J. Powell (Birm.) |
| Heath, James | Nicholson, William Graham | Wilson, J. W. (Worc'sh. N.) |
| Hermon-Hodge, R. Trotter | Nicol, Donald Ninian | Wodehouse, E. R. (Bath) |
| Hill, Rt. Hn. Lord A. (Down) | Northcote, Hn. Sir H. Stafford | Wylie, Alexander |
| Howell, William Tudor | Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay | Wyndham-Quin, Maj. W. H. |
| Hozier, Hon. J. H. Cecil | Parkes, Ebenezer | Young, Com. (Berks, E.) |
| Jebb, Richard Claverhouse | Phillpotts, Captain Arthur | |
| Johnstone, John H. (Sussex) | Purvis, Robert | TELLERS FOR THE AYES— |
| Kemp, George | Pym, C. Guy | Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther |
| Kenyon-Slaney, Col. William | Richardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert H. | Grey, Sir Edward (Berwick) | Provand, Andrew Dryburgh |
| Bainbridge, Emerson | Hayne, Rt. Hon. C. Seale- | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Brigg, John | Hazell, Walter | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Healy, Maurice (Cork) | Shee, James John |
| Burns, John | Jones, W. (Carnarvonshire) | Stevenson, Francis S. |
| Cameron, Sir C. (Glasgow) | Knox, E. F. Vesey | Strachey, Edward |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Lambert, George | Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath) |
| Clark, Dr. G. B. (Caithness-sh.) | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumberland) | Tanner, Charles Kearns |
| Clough, Walter Owen | Macaleese, Daniel | Tennant, Harold John |
| Davitt, Michael | McEwan, William | Wedderburn, Sir William |
| Dillon, John | Morgan, J. L. (Carmarthen) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Doogan, P. C. | Morley, C (Breconshire) | Williams, J. Carvell (Notts) |
| Ffrench, Peter | Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES— |
| Foster, Sir W. (Derby Co.) | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Mr. Caldwell and Mr. Colville. |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | Pease, Jos. A. (Northum.) |