HC Deb 20 August 1895 vol 36 cc458-60
THE PATRONAGE SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Sir W. WALROND,) Tiverton, Devon

moved "That a Select Committee be appointed to control the arrangements for the Kitchen and Refreshment Rooms in the Department of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House."

Motion agreed to.

On the Motion that Mr. James Bailey be a Member of the Committee—

MR. LLOYD-GEORGE

complained that there was not a single Welsh Member nominated on the proposed Committee, and he moved the Adjournment of the Debate in order that the matter might be taken into consideration.

MR. HERBERT LEWIS

seconded the Amendment.

DR. KENNY

said, he did not oppose the appointment of the Committee, but he did not think that, as at present constituted, it was representative of all parts of the House.

MR. W. JOHNSTON

said, that no Member representing Ulster was nominated on the Committee, and he certainly thought Ulster was as important as Wales.

SIR W. WALROND

said, he had followed the ordinary course in the nomination of the Committee.

DR. CLARK

hoped this matter would be allowed to stand over. The ordinary practice hitherto had been to give a majority of one to the Government upon this Committee. For centuries the proportion of Members had been eight for the Government and seven for the Opposition. Now it was proposed to have a proportion of nine to six. That was hardly fair.

Question put: "That the Debate be now adjourned."

The House divided:—Ayes, 33; Noes, 142.—(Division List, No. 17.)

MR. BRYNMOR JONES (Swansea District),

as emphasising the protest of his hon. Friend against the exclusion of any Welsh Member of the Committee, moved:— That the name of Mr. James Bailey he omitted, with a view of appointing some hon. Gentleman from the Principality of Wales, whether sitting on the Opposition or on the Government side of the House. He would suggest that the name of the hon. Member for Denbigh Boroughs be substituted for that of Mr. Bailey.

* MR SPEAKER

said, it was not necessary for the hon. Member to move an Amendment to the name of Mr. Bailey in order to effect the object he had in view.

MR. THOMAS ELLIS (Merionethshire)

was sure that if the Committee were agreed to in the form proposed, to-morrow, he and the hon. Gentleman opposite could easily fix upon a name which would be accepted by the whole House.

MR. LLOYD-GEORGE

rose to speak, when

* MR. SPEAKER

pointed out that the hon. Gentleman had already spoken.

MR. T. M. HEALY

Surely the hon. Gentleman can speak on a different name. Each name is a separate question.

* MR. SPEAKER

The only name that has been put is that of Mr. Bailey.

DR. CLARK

said, the appointment of the Committee was a purely formal matter. Surely the two Whips could easily arrange matters.

Motion agreed to.

Mr. Broadhurst, Mr. Cochrane, Mr. Fellowes, Mr. Fenwick, General Goldsworthy, Mr. Jacoby, Mr. Kearley, Mr. Lafone, Mr. Llewellyn, Colonel Lock-wood, Mr. Macdona, Mr. P. J. Power, Lord Stanley, and Mr. Thomas Curran nominated other Members of the Committee.

Ordered,—That three be the quorum.

Whereupon,

MR. SPEAKER,

in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 19th August, adjourned the House without Question put.

House adjourned at Ten minutes after One o'clock.

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