HC Deb 06 June 1894 vol 25 cc540-3

Order read, for resuming Adjourned Debate on Amendment proposed [30th May] on Consideration of Bill, as amended.

And which Amendment was, in page 4, line 5, after the word "object," to insert the words— If such sale or entertainment is held elsewhere than in premises which are licensed for the sale of any intoxicating liquor, but not licensed according to law for public entertainments, or if, in the case of a sale or entertainment held in any such premises as aforesaid, a special exemption from the provisions of the said section has been granted in writing under the hands of two justices of the peace."—(Sir R. Webster.)

Question again proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

MR. HOPWOOD (Lancashire, S.E., Middleton)

said, he had thought it right to offer opposition to this Bill at various stages, and he still had strong objection to many of its provisions. He thought his opposition was well founded. But, having secured a full Debate on the Bill, which was his first object, and having also secured some alteration, not entirely satisfactory, but still some alteration, he felt that he ought to discontinue further opposition. His ground for this was that he was not supported, and therefore it would be presumptuous on his part to oppose the general feeling of the House. But he might say that the Bill would have passed on Wednesday but for the resistance which some of the friends of the hon. and learned Member for the Isle of Wight offered to it for several hours.


I rise to Order. I only wish to ask whether it is in Order for the hon. Member to call attention to what took place on Wednesday?


I should have interrupted the hon. Member, but he is explaining why he wishes to discontinue further opposition.


said, he was explaining that he was not the only one who had obstructed the passage of this Bill, and with that remark he would leave it. He had sometimes been represented as rather rejoicing in the sufferings of children, and being opposed to the effective detection and prosecution of offenders against the Act. His contention had been that the present law was ample, and ho protested against certain provisions in this Bill because they would lead to an infringement of popular liberty in its true sense, and to an alteration of the law which would be difficult for Magistrates at Petty Sessions to administer.

Question put, and agreed to.

Words inserted.

On Motion of Sir R. WEBSTER, the following Amendment was agreed to:—Clause 8, page 5, line 27, at end, add— or in Ireland were a sum ordered to be paid by him under the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Acts.

Amendment proposed, in Clause 8, page 5, line 28, leave out Sub-section (5), and insert— (5) The limit on the amount of the weekly sum which the parent of a child may be required, under the Industrial Schools Acts, to contribute to its maintenance shall not apply in the case of an order on a parent under Sub-section 2 of Section 5 of the principal Act."—(Sir R. Webster.)

Question proposed, "That Sub-section (5) stand part of the Clause."

MR. SEXTON (Kerry, N.)

asked whether there was any limit to the amount that might be ordered to be contributed under Sub-section 2 of Section 5 of the principal Act?


The Magistrates may increase that amount to a rather large sum.

DR. TANNER (Cork Co., Mid)

Cannot the hon. and learned Member fix some limit?


The limit will be left to the discretion of the Magistrates.


Perhaps the hon. and learned Member will undertake in another place to fix some limit.


I will consider the matter.


Are we to under stand—


Order, order‡ The House is not in Committee, and the hon. Member cannot speak again.


Then I must object.


If the hon. Member objects he stops the progress of the Bill.


I object.


I appeal to my hon. I Friend to withdraw his objection. I object to the absence of a maximum amount, but the hon. and learned Member has undertaken to insert it in another place.


If we are to understand that the hon. and learned Member will try to carry that out I will withdraw my objection, but on no other condition.


Yes, Sir.

Question put, and negatived.

Question, "That those words be there inserted," put, and agreed to.

On Motion of Mr. ASQUITH, the following Amendment was agreed to:—

Clause 10, leave out Sub-section 2a.

On Motion of Sir R. WEBSTER, the following Amendments were agreed to:—

Clause 12, page 6, line 38, leave out "The provisions of the principal Act and," and insert "Sections 4 to 9 inclusive of the principal Act, and the provisions of."

Clause 12, page 7, line 3, leave out from "reference" to end of Clause, and insert— In those sections and provisions to an offence under the principal Act or section one thereof.

Clause 14, page 7, lines 27 and 28, leave out "be injurious or dangerous to its," and insert "involve serious danger to its life or."

Clause 17, page 8, line 43, leave out "Petty Sessions (Ireland) Act, 1851," and insert" Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Acts."

Clause 17, page 9, line 24, leave out "elsewhere in Ireland."

Clause 18, page 9, line 28, leave out "to the Lord Lieutenant."

Clause 18, page 9, after line 31, insert— (2) Sub-section one of section fourteen of this Act shall not apply to Ireland.


With the consent of the House, I beg to take the Third Reading now.


We quite assent to that course. We see no objection to it.

Bill read the third time, and passed.