HC Deb 30 July 1891 vol 356 cc881-7

ACCOUNTS considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.) (1.) Resolved, That it appears by the Navy Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March 1890, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:— (a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £359,504 7s. 4d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended;

contest. I shall adhere to the Bill in its original form, and shall not renew the proposal made to-night, and I shall take care to make it thoroughly known that those who are responsible for returning the Bill to its original form are those who have chosen to pose this night as the special friends of Protestantism.

*MR. T. W. RUSSELL

I heartily welcome the announcement of the right hon. Gentleman. A proposal to pay the money out of the Irish Church Surplus will give us better fighting ground. Any Motion to give money from that Fund for the support of Roman Catholic training colleges will outrage a good many people. I should like to know what the right hon. Gentleman would have said to such a proposal when he sat below the Gangway on this side of the House? What did he say when the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Mid Lothian disestablished the Irish Church?

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

I was an undergraduate at that time.

*MR. T. W. RUSSELL

Well, what would the right hon. Gentleman have said to such a proposal as this if he had been in the House?

THE CHAIRMAN

Order, order!

MR. H. BYRON REED

I am inclined to think that, in the long run, the right hon. Gentleman will find his old allies are his best friends, and I hope, therefore, he will not press this Bill against their wishes.

Question put, and agreed to.

Committee report Progress.

while the gross expenditure for other Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £741,897 12s. 5d., as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule, so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Navy Services fell short of the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £382,393 5s. 1 d.;

(b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £23,040 11s. 7d., as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £32,078 11s. 6a., as shown in Column No. 4 of the said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Navy Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £9,037 19s. 11d.;

(c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Navy Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—

£ s. d.
Total Surpluses 737,348 1 4
Total Deficits 345,916 16 4

(2.) Resolved, That the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Navy Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated Appropriations in Aid, in respect of the same Services; and have also temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Navy Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Navy Services.

(3.) Resolved, That the application of such sums be sanctioned.

(4.) Resolved, That it appears by the Army Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March 1890, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:—

  1. (a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Army Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £136,273 19s. 9d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Army Services fell short of the Estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £354,636 12s. 0d. as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule; so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Army Services fell short of the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £218,360 12s. 3d.;
  2. (b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Army Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £77,400 18s. 6d., as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Army Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £206,861 16s. 5d. as shown in Column No. 4 of the

SCHEDULE.
Number of Vote. Navy Services, 1889–90, Votes. Gross Expenditure. Appropriations in Aid.
Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure. Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure. Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.
1. 2. 3. 4.
£ s. d. £ s. d. £ s. d. £ s. d.
1 General Staff, Pay Regimental Pay, &c. 45,7419 3 .. .. 164,798 5 6
2 Chaplain's Department Pay, &c. 750 7 9 .. 34 10 0
3 Staff of Military Prisons, &c., Pay, &c .. 104 9 0 .. 56 0 4
4 Medical Establishments Pay, &c. .. 11,638 12 7 462 15 5
5 Militia Pay and Allowances .. 5,775 7 11 .. 2,126 2 11
6 Yeomanry Cavalry Pay and Allowances .. 2,011 17 4 .. 7 13 5
7 Volunteer Corps Pay and Allowances .. 3,301 9 9 .. 26 3 8
8 Army Reserve Force Pay, &c. .. 23,212 4 8 585 0 4
9 Transport and Remounts .. 39,861 9 6 .. 1,424 0 1
10 Provisions, Forage, Fuel, and other Commissariat Services .. 35,827 8 5 2,284 10 4
11 Clothing Establishments, Services, and Supplies .. 45,066 6 0 59,541 0 3
Carried forward 46,491 7 0 166,799 6 0 62,907 16 4 168,438 5 11

said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Army Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £129,460 17s. 11d.;

(c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Army Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—

£ s. d.
Total Surpluses 445,486 8 0
Total Deficits 97,664 17 10

(5.) Resolved, That the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Army Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated appropriations in aid, in respect of the same Services, and have also temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Army Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Army Services.

(6.) Resolved, That the application of such sums be sanctioned.

Number of Vote. Navy Services, 1889–90, Votes. Gross Expenditure. Appropriations in Aid.
Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure. Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure. Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. Surpluses of Actual as comapred with Estimated Receipts.
1. 2. 3. 4
£ s. d. £ s. d. £ s. d. £ s. d.
Brought forward 46,491 17 0 166,799 6 0 62,907 16 4 168,438 5 11
12 Warlike and other Stores, Supply and Repair .. 110,400 3 5 .. 20,375 15 6
13 Works, Buildings, and Repairs, Cost, including Superintending Establishment .. 46,200 12 4 12,013 9 7
14 Military Educational Establishments Pay, &c .. 4,373 15 8 .. 2,720 6 8
15 Miscellaneous Effective Services .. 19,707 19 5 .. 209 15 10
16 War Office Salaries and Miscellaneous Charges 1,134 0 10 .. 30 3 1
17 Rewards for Distinguished Services, &c 1,216 0 6 .. 179 0 0
18 Half Pay .. 5,256 4 10
19 Retired Pay, Gratuities, &c. 46,735 10 8 .. .. 7,206 0 0
20 Widows' Pensions and Compassionate Allowances .. 142 4 10 2,270 8 9
21 Pensions for Wounds 427 13 6 .. .. 411 0 0
22 Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals (In-Pensions) .. 788 9 8 .. 141 1 1
23 Out-Pensions 38,935 16 8 .. .. 2,074 13 10
24 Superannuation Compensation and Compassionate Allowances .. 967 15 10 .. 5,260 7 7
25 Retired Allowances, Militia, Yeomanry, and Volunteer Forces 336 10 5 .. .. 24 10 0
Amount written off as irrecoverable 998 10 2
136,275 19 9 354,636 12 0 77,400 18 6 206,861 16 5
Net Surplus, £218,360 12 3 Net Surplus £129,460 17 11
Sum to be surrendered to the Exchequer,£347,821 10 2

—(Mr. Jackson.)

Resolution to be reported To-morrow.

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