§ ACCOUNTS considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ (1.) Resolved, That it appears by the Navy Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March 1886, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:—
- (a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £3,644,763 8s. 2d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £43,404 8s. 5d., as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule, so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Navy Services exceeded the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £3,601,358 19s. 9d.;
- (b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £3,664 16s. 3d., as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £106,222 7s. 8d., as shown in Column No. 4 of the said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Navy Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £102,557 11s. 5d.;
- (c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Navy Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—
£ | s. | d. | |
Total Surpluses | 43,558 | 16 | 3 |
Total Deficits | 3,542,360 | 4 | 7 |
§ (2.) Resolved, That the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net 1835 charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Navy Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated Appropriations in Aid, in respect of the same Services; and have also temporarily authorised the application of the
SCHEDULE. | ||||||||||||||
Number of Vote. | Navy Services, 1885–6, Votes. | Gross expenditure | Appropriations in Aid | |||||||||||
Excess of Actual Estimated Gross Expenditure. | Surpluses Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure. | Deficiencies of Actual as comprd. with Estimated Receipts. | Surpluses of Actual as comprd. with Estimated Receipts. | |||||||||||
1. | 2. | 3. | 4. | |||||||||||
£ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. | |||
1 | Wages, &c. to Seamen and Marines | 106,454 | 15 | 7 | 44 | 16 | 9 | |||||||
2 | Victuals and Clothing for ditto | 83,251 | 11 | 0 | 242 | 2 | 8 | |||||||
3 | Admiralty Office | 3,234 | 14 | 3 | 10 | 14 | 7 | |||||||
4 | Coast Guard Service and Naval Reserves, &c | 12,634 | 18 | 11 | 111 | 0 | 2 | |||||||
5 | Scientific Branch | 783 | 3 | 6 | 2,037 | 10 | 9 | |||||||
6 | Dockyards and Naval Yards at Home and Abroad | 98,047 | 2 | 10 | 255 | 11 | 2 | |||||||
7 | Victualling Yards, &c. | 3,403 | 12 | 0 | 106 | 10 | 1 | |||||||
8 | Medical Establishments, &c. | 769 | 3 | 5 | 25 | 5 | 8 | |||||||
9 | Marine Divisions | 925 | 14 | 1 | 22 | 15 | 4 | |||||||
10 | Sec. 1 | Naval stores | 610,886 | 17 | 10 | 82,481 | 1 | 7 | ||||||
Sec. 2 | Machinery, Ships built by Contract, &c. | 1,429,387 | 10 | 9 | 13,060 | 6 | 5 | |||||||
11 | New Works, Buildings, Yard Machinery, &c. | 3,990 | 7 | 4 | 1,252 | 17 | 6 | |||||||
12 | Medicines and Medical Stores | 8,882 | 11 | 11 | 697 | 4 | 2 | |||||||
13 | Martial Law, &c. | 1,015 | 5 | 2 | 19 | 4 | 0 | |||||||
14 | Miscellaneous Services | 32,049 | 13 | 8 | 1,308 | 5 | 2 | |||||||
15 | Half Pay, &c | 13,169 | 3 | 7 | 39 | 18 | 2 | |||||||
16 | Sec. 1 | Military Pensions and Allowances | 11,668 | 19 | 4 | 5 | 11 | 1 | ||||||
Sec.2 | Civil Pensions and Allowances | 302 | 12 | 1 | 58 | 0 | 6 | |||||||
17 | Army Department—Conveyance of Troops | 1,266,141 | 19 | 7 | 8,108 | 8 | 2 | |||||||
Amount written off as irrecoverable | 1,167 | 19 | 9 | |||||||||||
3,644,763 | 8 | 2 | 43,404 | 8 | 5 | 3,664 | 16 | 3 | 106,222 | 7 | 8 | |||
Net Deficit, £3,601,358 19 9 Net Surplus £102,557 11 5 | ||||||||||||||
Total Deficit to be £3,498,801 8s. 4d. | ||||||||||||||
Met out of the Vote of credit for Naval and Military Operations. |
§ said total surpluses on certain Grants for Navy Services towards meeting the said total deficits on other Grants for Navy Services.
§ (3.) Resolved, That the application of such sums be sanctioned.
1837§ (4.) Resolved, That it appears by the Army Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March 1886, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:—
- (a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Army Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £6,165,137 5s. 6d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Army Services fell short of the Estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £129,190 1s. 2d., as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule; so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Army Services exceeded the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £6,035,947 4s. 5d.;
- (b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Army Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £20,749 3s. 10d., as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Army Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £327,410 11s.
SCHEDULE | |||||||||||||
No. of Vote. | Army Services, 1885–6, Votes. | Gross Expenditure. | Appropriations in Aid. | ||||||||||
Excess Actual Estimated Gross Expenditure. | Surpluses Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure. | Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. | Surpluses Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. | ||||||||||
1. | 2. | 3. | 4. | ||||||||||
£ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | ||
1 | Pay of the General Staff, Regimental Pay, &c. | 747,340 | 15 | 10 | 266,666 | 19 | 10 | ||||||
2 | Divine Service | 5,261 | 1 | 9 | 17 | 9 | 7 | ||||||
3 | Administration of Military Law | 1,058 | 12 | 5 | 146 | 18 | 9 | ||||||
4 | Medical Establishments and Services | 45,076 | 10 | 9 | 112 | 17 | 0 | ||||||
5 | Militia Pay and Allowances | 66,452 | 9 | 2 | 1,110 | 19 | 11 | ||||||
6 | Yeomanry Cavalry Pay and Allowances | 4,991 | 14 | 8 | 17 | 7 | 10 | ||||||
7 | Volunteer Corps Pay and Allowances | 1,144 | 18 | 10 | 176 | 5 | 6 | ||||||
8 | Army Reserve Force Pay and Allowances | 41,438 | 7 | 9 | 89 | 19 | 7 | ||||||
9 | Commissariat, Transport, and Ordnance Store Establishments | 349,722 | 12 | 11 | 2,735 | 18 | 8 | ||||||
10 | Provisions, Forage, Fuel, Transport, and other Services | 1,447,094 | 18 | 6 | 47,096 | 19 | 8 | ||||||
11 | Clothing Establishments, Services, and Supplies | 325,198 | 19 | 9 | 3,814 | 6 | 4 | ||||||
Carried forward | 2,991,139 | 3 | 4 | 43,641 | 19 | 0 | 5,213 | 18 | 4 | 316,754 | 4 | 4 |
§ as shown in Column No. 4 of the said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Army Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £306,661 7s. 2d.;
§ (c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Army Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.: —
£ | s. | d. | |
Total Surpluses | 136,332 | 8 | 9 |
Total Deficits | 5,865,618 | 6 | 0 |
§ (5.) Resolved, That the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Army Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated appropriations in aid, in respect of the same Services, and have also temporarily authorised the application of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Army Services towards meeting the said total deficits on other Grants for Army Services.
§ (6.) Resolved, That the application of such sums be sanctioned.
1839No. of Vote. | Army Services, 1885–6, Votes. | Gross Expenditure. | Appropriations in Aid. | ||||||||||
Excess Actual Estimated Gross Expenditure. | Surpluses Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure. | Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. | Surpluses Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts. | ||||||||||
1. | 2. | 3. | 4. | ||||||||||
£ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | £ | s. | d | ||
Brought forward | 2,991,139 | 3 | 4 | 43,641 | 19 | 0 | 5,231 | 18 | 4 | 316,754 | 4 | 4 | |
12 | Supply, Manufacture, and Repair of Warlike and other Stores | 2,327,461 | 4 | 10 | 2,622 | 15 | 0 | ||||||
13 | Works, Buildings, and Repairs at Home and Abroad | 809,358 | 4 | 6 | 6,840 | 9 | 5 | ||||||
14 | Establishments for Military Education | 3,925 | 2 | 3 | 9,207 | 15 | 11 | ||||||
15 | Miscellaneous Effective Services | 8,123 | 5 | 2 | 2,642 | 16 | 7 | ||||||
16 | Salaries and Miscellaneous Charges of the War Office | 11,440 | 15 | 1 | 28 | 4 | 0 | ||||||
17 | Rewards for Distinguished Services | 2,974 | 10 | 9 | 39 | 8 | 7 | ||||||
18 | Half Pay | 17,235 | 3 | 5 | 696 | 4 | 9 | ||||||
19 | Retired Pay, &c. | 32,232 | 8 | 0 | 357 | 5 | 11 | ||||||
20 | Widows' Pensions | 10,853 | 5 | 3 | 69 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
21 | Pensions for Wounds | 2,867 | 16 | 3 | 300 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
22 | Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals | 59 | 2 | 10 | 95 | 0 | 1 | ||||||
23 | Out-Pensions | 26,019 | 5 | 2 | 3,216 | 18 | 11 | ||||||
24 | Superannuation Allowances | 5,018 | 5 | 9 | 57 | 13 | 0 | ||||||
25 | Militia, Yeomanry Cavalry, and Volunteer Corps, Retired Pay | 1,058 | 14 | 9 | |||||||||
Balance irrecoverable | 919 | 0 | 5 | ||||||||||
6,165,137 | 5 | 7 | 129,190 | 1 | 2 | 20,749 | 3 | 10 | 327,410 | 11 | 0 | ||
Net Deficit, £6,035,947 | 4 | 5 | Net Surplus, £306,661 | 7 | 2 | ||||||||
Total Deficit, £5,729,285 17 3, to be met out of the Vote of Credit for Naval and Military Operations. |
§ MR. CONYBEARE (Cornwall, Camborne)I think we have a right to ask Her Majesty Government for some reason why it appears by the Navy Appropriation Account that there is this enormous excess over the original amount of the estimated expenditure. The general method of looking after the expenditure of taxes in this House is about as loose and slipshod as anything can be, and therefore I say we ought to have an explanation of the reason for our being 1840 asked to agree to this lengthy Resolution.
§ THE SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. JACKSON) (Leeds, N.)This Resolution merely asks for the formal sanction of Parliament to the application of certain sums the temporary application of which has been sanctioned by the Treasury. It is also a question of sanctioning the transfer and appropriation to certain Services of surpluses which have arisen under Votes granted 1841 for other Services, a practice which hon. Members will be aware is allowed in the case of the Army and Navy, but which is not permitted in the case of the Civil Service. It is merely a transfer of the saving on one Vote to the deficit on another, for which the Treasury asks the formal sanction of Parliament.
§ MR. CONYBEAREI do not want to oppose the Resolution, and I am perfectly certain it would be of no use if I were to do so. I simply express my opinion that this is a most unsatisfactory way of doing the business of the country, and at the same time the hope that the time is not far distant when we shall know more about these matters.
§ MR. CLANCY) (Dublin Co., N.The hon. Gentleman the Secretary to the Treasury has stated that this is a Motion for the purpose of transferring the surplus arising on one Vote to reduce the deficit occurring on another. But there appears to have been a deficit in every case, and I must therefore ask for some further explanation from the hon. Gentleman.
§ MR. JACKSONI would point out to the hon. Gentleman that the money provided by Parliament in the present case comes from a Vote of Credit, which, as the hon. Gentleman will know, is quite different from an ordinary Vote on the Estimates, inasmuch as it is administered by the Treasury.
§ MR. CLANCYIs this the usual thing?
§ MR. JACKSONNo.
§ MR. CLANCYMy impression was that there was a pledge given at the end of last Session that this sort of thing would not occur again.
§ MR. JACKSONThere seems that there has been a very large amount of what is called the war scare. Those sums were paid out of the Vote of Credit, and were sanctioned by the Treasury.
§ MR. SEXTON) (Belfast, WMembers of the Committee are very disagreeably struck, after having heard the hon. Gentleman the Secretary to the Treasury say that this is a matter merely for devoting surpluses for the payment of deficits, to hear that the surpluses were £40,000, where the deficits amounted to £3,500,000 in one case, and that whilst in the other case the surplus amounted to £306,000 the deficit 1842 amounts to over £6,000,000. I should like to ask whether the amount set out in the first of these columns has been covered by the Vote on Account?
§ MR. JACKSONCertainly.
§ Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.