HC Deb 24 June 1886 vol 307 cc267-9

Order for Consideration of Lords' Amendments forthwith read.

Lords' Amendments considered.

DR. TANNER (Cork Co., Mid)

remarked, that when the Bill was under discussion in that House a division was taken on the point whether the Universities of Aberdeen and St. Andrew's should each have a Member, or whether they should have one Member between them. On that occasion the House came to the conclusion that it would be better to treat them collectively; and, therefore, he now moved that the House should disagree with the Amendment which had come down from the Lords, giving one Member to each University.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said Amendment."—(Dr. Tanner.)

MR. J. A. CAMPBELL (Glasgow and Aberdeen Universities)

said, that after giving to the Victoria University and the University of Durham each one representative on the Medical Council the House refused to do the same justice to the Universities of Aberdeen and St. Andrew's, although their case, and especially the case of Aberdeen, was a much stronger one than that of Victoria University and the University of Durham. That mistake had been corrected in the other House, and he hoped the Lords' Amendments would be agreed to. Aberdeen University was a Medical School, and the University of St. Andrew's, although most efficient in other respects, was not a Medical School. It was an Examining Body in medicine; it had a large number of medical graduates, and therefore might be considered fit to be intrusted with the nomination of a member to the Medical Council; but there was an incongruity in linking it with the Medical School of Aberdeen in sending a joint representative to the Medical Council. It had been said that under the present Medical Act Universities were linked together in sending representatives to the Medical Council. At present the University of Glasgow and the University of St. Andrew's were linked together for that purpose. But the practice did not work satisfactorily. It was found to be exceedingly objectionable that a large Medical School such as the University of Glasgow should not have the power to nominate a member of the Medical Council without reference to the University of St. Andrew's, which was entirely on a different footing in regard to medical education. An objection was raised on the previous occasion that what was now proposed by the Amendment of the Lords would increase too much the representation of Universities on the Medical Council; but he would point out that the University of St. Andrew's might be regarded more as representing Medical Corporations than Universities, so that what the Lords had done kept the proportion as it was at present.

THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL (Sir LYON PLAYFAIR) (Leeds, S.)

said, that though he considered the arrangement in the Bill as he introduced it the best, yet, the House of Commons having divided Victoria University and the University of Durham, and as these two Scottish Universities were the only Bodies of the kind united for this purpose, he voted for a proposal to separate them as a logical consequence of the other decision. He thought they should agree to the Lords' Amendment.

MR. SEXTON (Sligo, S.)

said, he would urge his hon. Friend not to press his objection.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

Remaining Amendments agreed to.