HC Deb 24 April 1884 vol 287 cc591-2

Order for Second Beading read.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."—(Colonel Colthurst.)

MR. COURTNEY

said, he did not intend to oppose the Bill; but it raised a question which intimately concerned a large number of people, because it proposed to facilitate the granting of loans of public money to build schools. The difficulty with regard to Bills of this kind was in obtaining security, for the buildings themselves never afforded security, being of no value except for the purpose for which they were built; and it could not be supposed that security could be easily enforced against priests who might become responsible for the debts. It must, however, be worth considering what guarantees the State could get; and, for his part, he thought it would not be unreasonable to suggest that the Bishop should offer some guarantee. In the first place, he would be able to see the application for a loan was not foolishly or improperly made; and, in the next place, that the money should be properly spent; and by reason of these circumstances, and his influence in his diocese, he could protect himself against loss. He did not see any difficulty, in principle, in applying that plan to the larger question of Training Colleges; but without pledging himself to that proposition, he would assent to the second reading, on the understanding that before the next stage was taken there should be some plan before them for obtaining proper security.

MR. SEXTON

said, he thought the hon. Gentleman showed a sincere desire to meet the object of the Bill; and with regard to the suggestion that the Bishops should co-operate in an application for a loan, he was perfectly disposed to assent to that, believing it to be desirable that the Bishops should be associated with such matters. As there were, according to the statement of the Chief Secretary, several hundreds of schools in Ireland, many of which were not in a fit state, he hoped the House would assent to the second reading.

Motion agreed to.

Bill read a second time, and committed for Thursday 15th May.