HC Deb 19 March 1883 vol 277 cc814-5
MR. LABOUCHERE

I wish, Sir, to put a Question to you with respect to the New Rules. Under those Rules hon. Members may call attention to grievances on each group of the Estimates when they are set down for the first time on a Monday or Thursday. A Vote on Account has already been taken upon the Civil Service Estimates. The right hon. Gentleman the Prime Minister has stated to-day that the Civil Service Estimates will be set down for the first Thursday after the Vacation. The Question which I wish to put is, Whether any hon. Member will have the right to call attention to grievances on that occasion, or whether he will be precluded on account of a Vote on Account having been taken already?

MR. SPEAKER

I understand that it is proposed to take the Civil Service Estimates on the first Thursday after the Holidays. Any Amendment relative to the Civil Service Estimates will be admitted on that occasion.

LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL

In view of that ruling, I beg to give Notice that I will bring forward the Question of the General Order issued by the Inland Revenue Department on the 3rd of January, on going into Committee of Supply upon the Civil Service Estimates.

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER (Mr. GUILDERS)

I do not wish the noble Lord to be under any misapprehension with regard to the Estimates; but on the first day after the Recess it is only proposed to take the first and second class of the Civil Service Estimates, and not the Inland Revenue Vote.

MR. SCLATER-BOOTH

I should like to ask you, Sir, whether the statement just made by the right hon. Gentleman modifies in any way the ruling you have just given? My impression is that whether this special Vote or the Civil Service Estimates generally are brought forward on the occasion in question, any Motion relating to the Civil Service Estimates would be legitimate. If it were otherwise, I take it that each class of the Estimates might be opposed separately, and that is certainly not the language of the New Rule.

MR. SPEAKER

I should consider the Revenue Estimates to be a branch of the Civil Service Estimates; and, therefore, any Amendment on going into Committee of Supply relevant to the Inland Revenue Office would be in Order.