HC Deb 15 August 1881 vol 264 cc2012-4

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

1. Resolved, That it appears that by the Navy Appropriation Account, for the year ended 31st March 1880, that the balances unexpended in respect of Votes for Navy Services for the said year amounted to the sum of £208,684 14s. 6d. viz.—

£ s. d.
Vote 2. Victuals and Clothing for Seamen and Marines 38,347 17 0
Vote 3. Admiralty Office 1,635 2 6
Vote 4. Coast Guard Service and Royal Naval Reserves 3,305 3 5
Vote 5. Scientific Branch 6,642 6 8
Vote 7. Victualling Yards at Home and Abroad 3,509 16 0
Vote 8. Medical Establishments 1,168 3 4
Vote 9. Marine Divisions 787 3 8
Vote 10. Naval Stores, &c.:—
Section 1. Naval Stores 64,733 18 11
Section 2. Steam Machinery, &c. 58,471 2 10
Vote 11. New Works and Repairs 20,159 19 4
Vote 12. Medicines and Medical Stores 9,755 9 7
Vote 13. Martial Law, &c 168 11 3
£208,684 14 6

2. Resolved, That the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorized the application of the said sum of £208,684 14s. 6d., to provide in part for the following amounts of Expenditure incurred in excess of certain other Votes for Navy Services for the said year, viz.:—

£ s. d.
Vote 1. Wages, &c. to Seamen and Marines 15,762 7 3
Vote 6. Dockyards and Naval Yards at Home and Abroad 2,768 1 1
Vote 14. Miscellaneous Services 4,691 17 2
Vote 15. Half Pay, &c 8 3 7
Vote 16. Military and Civil Pensions, &c.:— £ s. d.
Section 1. Military Pensions and Allowances 6,963 7 8
Section 2. Civil Pensions and Allowances 1,780 13 3
Vote 17. Army Department (Conveyance of Troops) 592,571 1 9
Amounts written off as irrecoverable 1,638 14 9
£626,184 6 6

3. Resolved, That the said application be sanctioned.

4. Resolved, That it appears by the Army Appropriation Account, for the year ended the 31st March 1880, that the balances unexpended in respect of certain Votes for Army Services for the said year, amounting to the sum of £232,036 8s. 4d., were as follows, viz.:—

£ s. d.
Vote 3. Administration of Military Law 1,091 17 1
Vote 5. Militia Pay and Allowances 23,860 9 7
Vote 6. Yeomanry Cavalry Pay and Allowances 1,962 12 10
Vote 8. Army Reserve Force 30,895 15 6
Vote 13. Works, Buildings, and Repairs at Home and Abroad 16,204 17 10
Vote 14. Establishments for Military Education 5,865 13 5
Vote 18. Pay of General Officers 8,253 15 2
Vote 19. Retired Full Pay, Half Pay, Pensions, and Gratuities 133,261 3 11
Vote 22. Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals 1,223 4 5
Vote 24. Superannuation Allowances 6,472 13 1
Vote 25. Militia, Yeomanry Cavalry, and Volunteer Corps. 2,944 5 6
£232,036 8 4

5. Resolved, That it further appears from the said Account that the sum of £189,108 19s. 6d., was realised in the said year in excess of the estimated Appropriations in Aid.

6. Resolved, That the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorized the application of the said sums, amounting together to the total sum of £421,145 7s. 10d., to provide in part for the following amounts of expenditure incurred in excess of certain other Votes for Army Services for the said year, viz.:—

£ s. d.
Vote 1. General Staff and Regimental Pay 282,010 7 0
Vote 2. Divine Service 1,004 14 11
Vote 4. Medical Establishments and Services 13,331 10 1
Vote 7. Volunteer Corps Pay and Allowances 9,995 11 11
Vote 9. Commissariat, &c. Establishments 160,949 4 7
Vote 10. Provisions, Forage, £ s. d.
Fuel, &c 2,034,065 9 8
Vote 11. Clothing Establishment, &c 89,133 7 10
Vote 12. Supply, &c. of Warlike and other Stores 532,249 18 4
Vote 15. Miscellaneous Effective Services 56,382 13 5
Vote 16. Administration of the Army 4,836 1 0
Vote 17. Rewards for distinguished Services, &c. 184 2 4
Vote 20. Widows' Pensions, &c 8,077 15 0
Vote 21. Pensions for Wounds 1,743 8 7
Vote 23. Out Pensions 52,900 19 3
Amounts written off as irrecoverable 606 15 10
£3,247,471 9 9

7. Resolved, That the said application be sanctioned.

MR. ARTHUR O'CONNOR

wished to point out that under Vote 10 of the Navy Estimates for the year 1879–80, there was a sum not required of £64,700, under Section 1, for Naval Stores, and of £58,000 for Steam Machinery, besides £20,000, under Vote 11, for New Works and Repairs. He wished to call attention to the fact, because tomorrow, or at a very early date, the House would be called upon to pass similar Votes in the present year's Navy Estimates, and he thought it ought to be borne in mind that last year more money had been voted than was actually required. He also wished to point out that in regard to the Army Votes—on Vote 10, for Provisions, Forage, Fuel, &c.—there had been a sum voted in excess of the sum actually required of no less than £2,000,000. The Vote was a very large one, and it had been enormously exceeded; and when the right hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for War proposed to take Vote 10 this year, at 1 o'clock in the morning, hon. Members were thought very unreasonable because they objected to proceeding with such an important Vote at such an hour. He thought the fact of the existence of these excesses fully justified the position then taken by hon. Members.

LORD FREDEEICK CAVENDISH

thought the hon. Member should remember that the excesses had connection with the war in South Africa.

Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.