HC Deb 17 March 1868 vol 190 cc1826-7
MR. DARBY GRIFFITH

called attention to the Answer he had received at an earlier period of the evening, with reference to the introduction of the Mutiny Bill, and complained that that measure was always introduced more or less under the influence of the Horse Guards, rather than in the constitutional manner in which other measures were introduced by the Government. He trusted that his right hon. Friend would understand that he meant nothing personal in his remarks, for he acknowledged the courtesy with which his right hon. Friend treated every Member of that House; but, in a constitutional point of view, what he had to urge was very vital. It was only by the special permission of Parliament, renewed every year, that a standing army was allowed to exist; and, in reference to the legislation for the army for the ensuing year, it was important to have everything fair and above-board. It was one of the most fundamental rules of the House that every Bill should be printed and in the hands of Members before the second reading, and it was therefore not right that the House should be asked to agree to a Bill before knowing what it was. If the Mutiny Bill were not introduced in a form in which hon. Gentlemen could take exception to any of its provisions on the second reading, it would be opposed at every stage.

SIR JOHN PAKINGTON

briefly explained that the hon. Gentleman was under an entire delusion in supposing that the Horse Guards had anything whatever to do with the Parliamentary arrangements respecting the Mutiny Bill. The custom had only been recently introduced of printing the Amendments to the Bill; but he had undertaken that all the alterations intended to be introduced should be in the hands of hon. Members before the second reading of the measure, and he thought that this was all that the hon. Member could reasonably expect of him.

SUPPLY—considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

1. £48,479 8s. 8d., Excesses of Army Expenditure.

2. £90,619 13s. 9d., Excess of Naval Expenditure.

House resumed.

Resolutions to be reported To-morrow;

Committee to sit again To-morrow.

WAYS AND MEANS—considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That, towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty for the Service of the years ending on the 31st day of March 1867, and the 31st day of March 1868, the sum of £362,398 19s. 9d. be granted out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

House resumed.

Resolution to be reported To-morrow;

Committee to sit again To-morrow.