HC Deb 14 July 1864 vol 176 cc1532-4

Bill considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Question again proposed, That, towards providing a further sum for defraying the expenses of the construction of works for the defence of the Royal Dockyards and Arsenals, and of the Ports of Dover and Portland, and for the creation of a Central Arsenal, a sum not exceeding £650,000 be charged upon the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, and that the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury be authorized and empowered to raise the said sum by Annuities, for a term not exceeding thirty years; and that such Annuities shall be charged upon and be payable out of the said Consolidated Fund.

COLONEL SYKES

objected to proceeding at so late an hour (twenty minutes past twelve) with a Resolution which would involve an expenditure of £650,000.

SIR JAMES ELPHINSTONE

hoped at this period of the Session the Government would meet with some indulgence, and be allowed to proceed with the business in hand.

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

trusted the Committee would allow this stage of the measure to be taken. The object of the Resolution was to obtain leave to continue works the principle of which had been already sanctioned by the House. There would be several opportunities hereafter for discussing the nature of the works more fully. If the Committee would allow him, he would state what was the financial position of the fortification scheme. There had been expended up to the 1st of March of this year, £2,854,000, and up to the end of July there would be an additional outlay of some £300,000, making a total of £3,154,000. The total sum voted last year was £3,850,000, therefore they would have a balance in hand of nearly £700,000. That sum, however, would be available only for the particular works for which the money had been voted, and it was necessary, therefore, to ask for £650,000 more. He should be quite willing to answer any questions that might be asked, but he submitted that on the whole the more convenient course would be to defer particulars until they should have the Bill before them.

COLONEL SYKES

hoped the House would get further opportunities of discussing this matter.

MR. SEYMOUR FITZGERALD

inquired whether the money now asked for was to complete works already begun or for the commencement of new works?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

said, that no new works as to the principle of which the House had not already pronounced would be undertaken. The House had already had the schedule of the works three times before it. It would be competent for any hon. Member, when the schedule of the Bill was before the House, to move that a particular work should not be continued.

SIR JAMES ELPHINSTONE

trusted that some of the money would be applied to the completion of the Spithead forts. Recent experiments had proved how necessary such works were for the defence of the country.

MR. ANGERSTEIN

inquired what the intentions of the Government were with regard to the Central Arsenal?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

replied that the original scheme contemplated the purchase of a site for a Central Arsenal the intentions of the Government on the subject were by no means given up, but it was not intended this year to ask for any money for the purpose. With regard to the Spithead forts, the question as to where the works ought to be placed bad been referred to a Committee, and he believed their Report would be presented in a few days.

SIR JAMES ELPHINSTONE

said, the works to which he had referred were not at Stourbridge, but on the east side, and he trusted they would not be lost sight of.

MR. HENNESSY

said, he believed that fortifications in Cork harbour had been included in the schedule of the Bill of last year. He wanted to know when the Report of the Dockyard Committee on the subject would be laid upon the table?

LORD CLARENCE PAGET

It will be laid on the table to-night.

Question put, and agreed to.

(1.) Resolved, That, towards providing a further sum for defraying the expenses of the construction of works for the defence of the Royal Dockyards and Arsenals, and of the Ports of Dover and Portland, and for the creation of a Central Arsenal, a sum not exceeding £650,000 be charged upon the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom, and that the Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury be authorized and empowered to raise the said sum by Annuities, for a term not exceeding thirty years; and that such Annuities shall be charged upon and be payable out of the said Consolidated Fund.

(2.) Resolved, That the said Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury be authorized to direct the payment, to the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, out of the said Consolidated Fund, of the sum of £600, for the management of the contributions to be received by the said Governor and Company in respect of the said Annuities.

House resumed.

Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.