HC Deb 10 February 1851 vol 114 cc362-3

rose, in pursuance of notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the repeal of penal enactments against the Roman Catholics. He begged to say that it was with one exception the same Bill which had been discussed in this House during the present Parliament on his Motion, the single exception being a clause of the Bill referring to Papal bulls and instruments of the See of Rome. He had thought that it would be more decorous to omit all reference to that subject from the Bill, as it was one which would come under discussion in the debate that had just been adjourned. With that exception the Bill was the same, as to its enacting part, with that which had been discussed in that House on former occasions. He had drawn the clauses relating to the distinction between the temporal and ecclesiastical supremacy, so as to get rid of all the scruples which had been expressed by hon. Members on this point. Hon. Members opposite would thus have an opportunity of carrying into effect the recommendation of Lord Stanley, made in another place during the present Session, which was—that this occasion should be taken of looking through the securities enacted by the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829, with the view of retaining any that might really afford protection to the Protestant Church, and of removing such as were not effectual for that object, and offensive to Roman Catholics. All he asked for at present was leave to bring in the Bill, in order that Members might see whether its provisions corresponded with Lord Stanley's recommendation, and were expedient to be enacted at the present juncture in concurrence with the Bill proposed by Her Majesty's Ministers.

Motion made, and Question put— That leave be given to bring in a Bill for the repeal of Enactments imposing certain pains, penalties, and disabilities upon Her Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects.


said, the House having practically decided, though the numerical majority was the other way, that it would not continue a debate which had already extended over two nights on a most important subject, in which, notwithstanding the statement of the right hon. Member for Manchester, the whole country was deeply interested, he could not but think that it would have been more seemly, more consistent with the justice of the case, and the opinion of the House, if the hon. and leaned Member for Youghal had not endeavoured to provoke a discussion. The hon. and learned Member must have known, from the experience of five successive years, that that House would not consent to a measure of this kind without full discussion. He (Sir R. H. Inglis) would give at once a negative to the proposition of the hon. and learned Member, and would take the sense of the House upon it.


agreed with the hon. Baronet the Member for the University of Oxford, that this was a most inopportune moment for bringing in a Bill of this kind, and he was in hopes that the hon. and learned Member for Youghal had abandoned his intention of introducing it.

The House divided:—Ayes 35; Noes 175: Majority 140.

List of the AYES.
Adair, H. E. Heyworth, L.
Bass, M. T. Keogh, W.
Blake, M. J. Kershaw, J.
Blewitt, R. J. King, hon. P. J. L.
Brotherton, J. Lawless, hon. C.
Butler, P. S. M'Cullagh, W. T.
Devereux, J. T. Magan, W. H.
Forster, M. Meagher, T.
Gibson, rt. hon. T. M. Pechell, Sir G. B.
Goold, W. Pilkington, J.
Grace, O. D. J. Power, Dr.
Greene, J. Power, N.
Reynolds, J. Thornely, T.
Roche, E. B. Wakley, T.
Scholefield, W. Williams, J.
Scully, F. Wood, W. P.
Somers, J. P. TELLERS.
Sullivan, M. Anstey, T. C.
Tenison, E. K. Fagan, W.
List of the NOES.
Acland, Sir T. D. Farrer, J.
Adair, R. A. S. Foley, J. H. H.
Adderley, C. B. Forester, hon. G. C. W.
Archdall, Capt. M. Fox, S. W. L.
Ashley, Lord Freestun, Col.
Baines, rt. hon. M. T. Frewen, C. H.
Baldock, E. H. Fuller, A. E.
Bankes, G. Gaskell, J. M.
Baring, T. Goddard, A. L.
Barrington, Visct. Gooch, E. S.
Bateson, T. Gore, W. R. O.
Beckett, W. Greenall, G.
Bell, J. Grey, rt. hon. Sir G.
Bennet, P. Grey, R. W.
Berkeley, C. L. G. Grogan, E.
Bernard, Visct. Guernsey, Lord
Best, J. Gwyn, H.
Blair, S. Hall, Sir B.
Blakemore, R. Halsey, T. P.
Boldero, H. G. Hamilton, G. A.
Booker, W. T. Hamilton, J. H.
Booth, Sir R. G. Hamilton, Lord C.
Boyd, J. Harris, hon. Capt.
Bremridge, R. Hastie, A.
Brisco, M. Hawes, B.
Brocklehurst, J. Hayter, rt. hon. W. G.
Brown, H. Heald, J.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Heathcote, G. J.
Burghley, Lord Heneage, G. H. W.
Cabbell, B. B. Heneage, E.
Cardwell, E. Henley, J. W.
Carew, W. H. P. Hildyard, R. C.
Carter, J. B. Hill, Lord M.
Chichester, Lord J. L. Hindley, C.
Christy, S. Hodgson, W. N.
Clifford, H. M. Hood, Sir A.
Cobbold, J. C. Hornby, J.
Cockburn, Sir A. J. E. Howard, hon. C. W. G.
Cocks, T. S. Howard, hon. E. G. G.
Cole, hon. H. A. Howard, P. H.
Coles, H. B. Hudson, G.
Conolly, T. Jocelyn, Visct.
Copeland, Ald. Jolliffe, Sir W. G. H.
Cowper, hon. W. F. Kildare, Marq. of
Craig, Sir W. G. Lacy, H. C.
Currie, H. Lennox, Lord H. G.
Dalrymple, Capt. Lindsey, hon. Col.
Davies, D. A. S. Littleton, hon. E. R.
Deedes, W. Locke, J.
D'Eyncourt, rt. hon. C. T. Long, W.
Divett, E. Mackenzie, W. F.
Dod, J. W. Macnaghten, Sir E.
Dodd, G. Mangles, R. D.
Duckworth, Sir J. T. B Manners, Lord C. S.
Duncuft, J. Martin, C. W.
Dundas, G. Masterman, J.
Dundas, rt. hon. Sir D. Matheson, Col.
Du Pre, C. G. Maule, rt. hon. F.
East, Sir J. B. Maxwell, hon. J. P.
Ebrington, Visct. Meux, Sir H.
Edwards, H. Moody, C. A.
Elliot, hon. J. E. Morgan, O.
Evelyn, W. J. Morris, D.
Mulgrave, Earl of Stafford, A.
Mullings, J. R. Stanford, J. F.
Napier, J. Stanley, hon. E. H.
Newdegate, C. N. Stuart, H.
Newport, Visct. Sutton, J. H. M.
Noel, hon. G. J. Taylor, T. E.
Ogle, S. C. H. Thompson, Col.
Paget, Lord C. Thompson, Ald.
Palmerston, Visct. Tollemache, J.
Peto, S. M. Trevor, hon. G. R.
Pigott, F. Turner, G. J.
Plowden, W. H. C. Tynte, Col. C. J. K.
Plumptre, J. P. Verner, Sir W.
Portal, M. Vyse, R. H. R. H.
Ricardo, O. Waddington, H. S.
Richards, R. Walpole, S. H.
Russell, Lord J. Watkins, Col. L.
Russell, F. G. H. Wigram, L. T.
Sandars, G. Willcox, B. M.
Scott, hon. F. Willoughby, Sir H.
Seymour, Lord Wilson, J.
Sibthorp, Col. Wortley, rt. hon. J. S.
Sidney, Ald. Young, Sir J.
Smyth, J. G. TELLERS.
Somerset, Capt. Inglis, Sir R. H.
Spooner, R. Beresford, W.

The House adjourned at One o'clock.