§ Upon the vote—29.677l. for the expenses and salaries of the commissioners for the relief of the poor and their assistants, being proposed,
Mr. Williamssaid, had it not been for the assurance which the right hon. Baronet opposite had given, that the whole subject to which this vote related should be taken into his consideration at an early period in the ensuing Session, he should have felt it his duty to propose a considerable reduction in the amount now asked for; but, relying on the right hon. Baronet's promise, he should make no objection.
An hon. Member,on the Ministerial side, observed, that if there was not a great reduction in the expenses of this department when the estimates came before them next year, he should move that the salaries of the Poor-law Commissioners be reduced to the same amount as the salaries of Excise and Customs Commissioners. He believed they were now nearly double.—Vote agreed to.
§ Upon the vote of 19,600l. for foreign and other secret services being proposed,
Mr. Williamssaid, that this was a vote to which he should decidedly object. He found the charge for foreign secret service for the year was 25,000l.; and for the home secret service, the charge was 10,000l.; and 6,000l. also for the same services in Ireland. Now there was an impression abroad that this secret service money was applied to all sorts of improper purposes. It had been said, that it had frequently been used to a great extent at the elections. He did not object to a reasonable sum being allowed for foreign secret services, but he could see no reason for any such expenditure in this country or in Ireland, unless indeed it were required to pay spies; and, as spies were not wanted in this country or in Ireland, he should oppose the vote altogether, as there had been already a sufficient sum voted for the foreign secret services.
§ The committee divided — Ayes 144, Noes 7; Majority 137.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Acton, Colonel | Dugdale, W. S. |
| Aldam, W. | Egerton, W. T. |
| Allix, J. P. | Escott, B. |
| Antrobus, E. | Estcourt, T. G. B. |
| Ashley, Lord | Ferguson, Colonel |
| Baillie, Colonel | Ferrand, W. B. |
| Baird, W. | Fitzroy, Captain |
| Baring, hon. W. B. | Forbes, W. |
| Barnard, E. G. | Forman, T. S. |
| Baskerville, T. B. M. | Fuller, A. E. |
| Beckett, W. | Gaskell, J. Milnes |
| Boldero, H. G. | Gill, T. |
| Borthwick, P. | Gore, M. |
| Boscawen, Lord | Goring, C. |
| Botfield, B. | Goulburn, rt. hn. H. |
| Bowring, Dr. | Graham, rt. hn. Sir J. |
| Bramston, T. W. | Granger, T. C. |
| Broadley, H. | Greenall, P. |
| Brotherton, J. | Grimston, Viscount |
| Browne, hn. W. | Grogan, E. |
| Burrell, Sir C. M. | Hale, E. B. |
| Campbell, A. | Hamilton, W. J. |
| Carnegie, hon. Capt. | Hamilton, Lord C. |
| Chelsea, Viscount | Harcourt, G. G. |
| Clements, Viscount | Hardinge, rt. hn. Sir H. |
| Clerk, Sir G. | Hayes, Sir E. |
| Clive, hon. R. H. | Heathcoat, J. |
| Cochrane, A. | Henley, J. W. |
| Cripps, W. | Henniker, Lord |
| Dalrymple, Captain | Herbert, hon. S. |
| Darby, G. | Hodgson, R. |
| Dawnay, hon. W. H. | Hogg, J. W. |
| Dickinson, F. H. | Hollond, R. |
| Dodd, G. | Hope, hon. C. |
| Douglas, Sir C. E. | Hope, A. |
| Douglas, J. D. S. | Hope, G. W. |
| Hornby, J. | Reade, W. M. |
| Inglis, Sir R. H. | Rice, E. R. |
| Irton, S. | Rolleston, Colonel |
| Jermyn, Earl | Rose, rt. hn. Sir G. |
| Johnson, W. G. | Rushbrooke, Colonel |
| Ker, D. S. | Sanderson, R. |
| Knightley, Sir C. | Scarlett, hon. R. C. |
| Law, hon. C. E. | Scott, hon. F. |
| Lawson, A. | Sheppard, T. |
| Legh, G. C. | Sibthorp, Colonel |
| Leicester, Earl of | Smith, rt. hon. R. V. |
| Lennox, Lord A. | Smythe, hon. G. |
| Lindsay, H. H. | Stansfield, W. R. C. |
| Litton, E. | Stewart, P. M. |
| Lockhart, W. | Stuart, H. |
| Mackenzie, W. F. | Sutton, hon. H. M. |
| Manners, Lord J. | Taylor, J. A. |
| March, Earl of | Tennent, J. E. |
| Marsham, Viscount | Thornely, T. |
| Masterman, J. | Tollemache, hn. F.J. |
| Mitchell, T. A. | Trench, Sir F. W. |
| Morgan, O. | Trevor, hon. G. R. |
| Mundy, E. M. | Tufnell, H. |
| Murphy, F. S. | Vane, Lord H. |
| Murray, C. R. S. | Vere, Sir C. B. |
| Neville, R. | Waddington, H. S. |
| Nicholl, right hon. J. | Welby, G. E. |
| O'Connell, M. J. | Wigram, J. |
| Ogle, S. C. H. | Wilde, Sir T, |
| Paget, Lord W. | Wood, Colonel |
| Pakington, J. S. | Wood, Colonel T. |
| Palmerston, Viscount | Wortley, hon. J. S. |
| Peel, rt. hn. Sir R. | Wyndham, Colonel |
| Peel, J. | Yorke, H. R. |
| Plumridge, Capt. | |
| Plumptre, J. P. | TELLERS. |
| Pollock, Sir F. | Fremantle, Sir T. |
| Protheroe, E. | Baring, H. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| Bryan, G. | Pechell, Captain |
| Fielden, J. | Wakley, T. |
| Harford, S. | TELLERS. |
| Hindley, C. | Williams, W. |
| Morris, D. | Crawford, W. S. |
§ Vote agreed to.