HC Deb 29 June 1840 vol 55 cc193-4

The Order of the Day having been read for resuming the adjourned debate on the question that the House do agree with the Committee, that the costs of opposing the bill be paid out of the new funds, on bringing up the report of the Weaver Churches' Bill,

Mr. G. Wilbraham

said, he felt bound to oppose this bill in every way that the rules of the House permitted. It was a bill that had for its object a most unjustifiable diversion of the funds of the county of Chester. The surplus revenue derived from the tolls of the Weaver navigation had for many years relieved the county of Chester from the payment of rates, and he considered it most unjust, that this revenue should now, without any reason whatever, be diverted to a totally different object.

Sir R. Inglis

was surprised at the opposition given to the bill, though he was opposed to the clause.

The House divided. Ayes 58; Noes 70:—Majority 12.

Mr. Wilbraham

then moved as an amendment, that the minutes of the evidence taken before the committee be laid before the House. There never was an occasion in which such a measure as this now before the House was less called for. The great body of the population for whose accommodation the churches in question were intended, were Dissenters, extremely attached to their peculiar mode of worship and to their own ministers. As far as there was any want of accommodation for religious worship and instruction according to the Church of England, it could be adequately supplied by voluntary contribution.

Sir C. Lemon

said a great deal of spiritual destitution and ignorance prevailed in the district, and there were two fanatical women who were followed by large numbers of the ignorant and uneducated classes. The question was whether they would endow these women, or was the Established Church to be endowed?

Sir P. Egerton

believed the amendment had merely been moved for the sake of delay, and therefore he should oppose it.

Mr. Hobhouse

said, that the House ought to have the evidence before them. He had carefully attended to that evidence, and the result was, that he did not consider there was any want of spiritual accommo- dation in this district. This was a case of great importance, and the House ought to have before it every possible means of forming a correct judgment.

Lord R. Grosvenor

was also of opinion, that the evidence ought to be laid before the House.

The House divided. Ayes 136; Noes 166:—Majority 30.

List of the AYES.
Acland, Sir T. D. Eastnor, Viscount
Acland, T. D. Eaton, R. J.
Ainswort, P. Eliot, Lord
Alsager, Captain Ellis, J.
Arduthnott, hon. H. Estcourt, T.
Ashley, Lord Fielden, W.
Attwood, W. Fellowes, E.
Bagge, W. Fitzroy, hon. H.
Bagot, hon. W. Follet, Sir W.
Baillie, Col. Forester, hon. G.
Baillie, H. J. Freshfield, J. W.
Baldwin, C. B. Gaskell, J. Milnes
Baring, H. B. Gladstone, W. E.
Baring, hon. W. B. Glynne, Sir S. R.
Barrington, Viscount Gore, O. J. R.
Bell M. Gore, O. W.
Bentinck, Lord G. Goring, H. D.
Bethell, R. Goulburn, rt. hon. H.
Blackburne, I. Graham, rt. hn. Sir J.
Blair, J. Granby, Marquess of
Bolfield, B. Grant, Sir A. C.
Bradshaw, James Greene, T.
Bramston, T. W. Grimston, Viscount
Broadwood, H. Hamilton, Lord C.
Brooke, Sir A. B. Hardinge, rt. hn. Sir H.
Bruce, Lord E. Hawkes, T.
Bruce, C. L. C. Herbert, hon. S.
Burrell, Sir C. Hillsborough, Earl of
Burroughes, H. N. Hodgson, R.
Calcraft, J. H. Hogg, J. W.
Canning, rt. hn. Sir S. Holmes, W.
Cantilupe, Viscount Hope, hon. C.
Cartwright, W.R. Hope, G. W.
Cholmondeley, hn. H. Hotham, Lord
Christopher, R. A. Houston, G.
Chute, W. L. W. Hughes, W. B.
Clerk, Sir G. Hurt, F.
Cochrane, Sir T. J. Ingestre, Viscount
Codrington, C. W. Inglis, Sir R. H.
Colquhoun, J. C. Irton, S.
Compton, H. C. Jackson, Mr. Sergeant
Conolly, E. Jenkins, Sir R.
Courtenay, P. Jones, Captain
Cresswell, C. Kelly, F.
Darby, G. Kemble, H.
Darlington, Earl of Knatchbull, right hon. Sir E.
D'Israeli, B.
Dottin, A. R. Knight, H. G.
Douglas, Sir C. E. Lemon, Sir C.
Dowdeswell, W. Lefroy, right hon. T.
Drummond, H. H. Lincoln, Earl of
Duffield, T. Litton, E.
Dugdale, W. S. Lockhart, A. M.
Du Pre, G. Long, W.
East, J. B. Lowther, hon. Colonel
Lowther, J. H. Richards, R.
Lygon, hon. General Rushbrooke, Colonel
Mackenzie, T. Sandon, Viscount
Mackenzie, W. F. Scarlett, hon. J. Y.
Maclean, D, Shaw, right hon. F.
Mahon, Viscount Sheppard, T.
Manners, Lord C. S. Shirley, E. J.
Marsland, T. Sibthorp, Colonel
Marton, G. Smyth, Sir G. H.
Maunsell, T. P. Sotheron, T. E.
Miles, P. W. S. Stanley, E.
Miller, W. H. Stanley, Lord
Milnes, R. M. Sturt, H. C.
Mordaunt, Sir J. Teignmouth, Lord
Neeld, J. Thesiger, F.
Norreys, Lord Thornhill, G.
Northland, Lord Tollemache, F. J.
O'Neill, hon. J. B. R. Tomline, G.
Palmer, R. Tyrrell, Sir J. T.
Palmer, G. Vere, Sir C. B.
Parker, M. Vivian, J. E.
Patten, J. W. Williams, R.
Perceval, Colonel Williams, T. P.
Pigot, R. Wodehouse, E.
Polhill, F. Wood, Colonel T.
Pollen, Sir J. W. Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.
Powerscourt Viscount Young, J.
Pringle, A. TELLERS.
Pusey, P. Egerton, Sir P.
Rae, rt. hon. Sir W. Egerton, T.
List of the NOES.
Adam, Admiral Dundas, Sir R.
Alston, R. Dungannon, Viscount
Archbold, R. Ellice, right hon. E.
Baines, E. Ellice, E.
Barron, H. W. Ellis, W.
Barry, G. S Evans, G.
Basset, J. Evans, W.
Bewes, T. Ewart, W.
Blake, W. J. Fielden, J.
Bodkin, J. J. Ferguson, Sir R.
Bowes, J. Ferguson, R.
Bridgeman, H. Finch, F.
Brocklehurst, J. Fort, J.
Brodie, W. B. Gillon, W. D.
Brotherton, J. Gordon, R.
Bryan, G. Grattan, H.
Buller, C. Guest, Sir J.
Buller, E. Hastie, A.
Busfield, W. Hawes, B.
Callaghan, D. Hector, C. J.
Cave, R. O. Hill, Lord A. M. C.
Clay, W. Hindley, C.
Clements, Viscount Hobhouse, T. B.
Clive, E. B. Hodges, T. L.
Collier, J. Horsman, E.
Craig, W. G. Hoskins, K.
Brompton, Sir S. Howard, P. H.
Denison, W. J. Hume, J.
D'Eynconrt, rt. hon. C. T. Hutt, W.
Hutton, R.
Divett, E. James, W.
Duff, J. Jervis, J.
Duncombe, T. Jervis, S.
Dundas, C. W. D. Langdale, hon. C.
Dundas, hon. J. Langton, W. G.
Leader, J. T. Steuart, R.
Lister, E. C. Stuart, Lord J.
Lushington, C. Stock, Dr.
Lushington, rt. hn. S. Strickland, Sir G.
M'Taggart, J. Strutt, E.
Maher, J. Style, Sir C.
Marsland, H. Tancred, H. W.
Maule, hon. F. Thornely, T.
Melgund, Viscount Trench, Sir F.
Morris, D. Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Muntz, G. F. Tufnell, H.
Murray, A. Turner, W.
Muskett, G. A. Vigors, N. A.
O'Connell, J. Villiers, hon. C. P.
O'Connell, M. Vivian, right hon. Sir R. H.
Ord, W.
Oswald, J. Wakley, T.
Parker, J. Walker, R.
Pattison, J. Wall, C. B.
Pechell, Captain Warburton, H.
Pendarves, E. W. W. Westenra, hon. J. C.
Philips, G. R. White, A.
Power, J. White, H.
Rawdon, Col. J. D. Williams, W. A.
Redington, T. N. Wilshere, W.
Roche, E. B. Winnington, Sir T. E.
Roche, W. Wood, G. W.
Rutherfurd, rt. hn. A. Wood, B.
Sandford, E. A. Worsley, Lord
Sheil, rt. hon. R. L. Wrightson, W. B.
Shelborne, Earl of Wyse, T.
Smith, B. Yates, J. A.
Somerville, Sir W. M.
Stanley, hon. E. TELLERS.
Stanley, hon. W. O. Wilbraham, G.
Stansfield, W. R. C. Grosvenor, Lord R.

Report received, bill to be engrossed.

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