§ House in Committee on the Chimney Sweepers' Bill.
§ On clause 2 being proposed,
Mr. Williamswished to know what was to be done with old houses. He, for one, would not like to pull down his house.
§ Mr. F. Maulesaid, no doubt some in- 109 convenience and expense would be the effect of the bill, but he thought that would be as nothing, compared with the humanity of the bill.
§ Sir R. Inglisbelieved that of old chimneys, not one in 2,000 but could be swept by machines.
§ Mr. Goulburnhappened to be one of the unfortunate individuals who possessed the one chimney out of 2,000, but still he was not prepared to oppose the motion.
Mr. Heathcotesaid, he should be a sufferer by this bill, but he thought it so desirable the cruelties now practised should be abolished, that he felt it his duty to support it. They were in the habit of seeking for cruelties practised abroad, while it not unfrequently happened that cruelties as great were practised in their own houses. He begged to thank the hon. Gentleman for introducing this bill, and he thought, considering his numerous official occupations, the having done so was very much to his honour.
§ Lord Ashleysaid, he had no notion cruelties so barbarous could be perpetrated in any civilized country as had been recently brought under his notice as perpetrated in relation to the subject of this bill. It was a fact within his own personal knowledge, that at the present moment a child of 4½ years, another at 6, and others of a similar tender age, were employed in sweeping chimneys. The fact, also, that twenty-three climbing boys were now confined for various offences in Newgate, was sufficient to prove the bad moral effects of the system.
§ Clause agreed to.
§ On clause 5,
§ Mr. Handley moved, that the word "re-built" be left out.
§ Mr. F. Maulethought the bill would be very much deteriorated by the omission of the word.
§ The Attorney-Generalsuggested, that the words "shall, if practicable, be" should be added after the words "rebuilt."
§ The Committee divided on the question, that the words proposed by the Attorney-general be added: Ayes 11; Noes 74: Majority 63.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Berkeley, hon. H. | Dundas, C. W. D. |
| Berkeley, hon. C. | Gordon, R. |
| Blake, W. J. | Irton, S. |
| Campbell, Sir J. | Marshall, W. |
| Seymour, Lord | TELLERS. |
| Strutt, E. | Handley, H. |
| Williams, W. A. | Elliot, hon. J. E. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| Acland, Sir T. D. | Langdale, hon. C. |
| Aglionby, H. A. | Lemon, Sir C. |
| Alston, R. | Lincoln, Earl of |
| Archbold, R. | Mackenzie, W. F. |
| Ashley, Lord | Marsland, H. |
| Baring, rt. hon. F. T. | Mildmay, P. St. J. |
| Bernal, R. | Morpeth, Viscount |
| Blackburne, I. | Morris, D. |
| Bramston, T. W. | Neeld, J. |
| Broadley, H. | Palmer, George |
| Brotherton, J. | Pechell Captain |
| Bruges, W. H. L. | Perceval, hon. G. J. |
| Buller, E. | Pigot, D, R. |
| Cavendish, hon. C. | Plumptre, J. P. |
| Cavendish, hon. G. H. | Rundle, J. |
| Clerk, Sir G. | Rushbrooke, Colonel |
| Darby, G. | Scholefield, J. |
| Douglas, Sir C. E. | Sibthorp, Colonel |
| Estcourt, T. | Slaney, R. A. |
| Evans, W. | Smith, J. A. |
| Ferguson, Sir R. A. | Steuart, R. |
| Gillon, W. D. | Strickland, Sir G. |
| Goulburn, rt. hon. H. | Tancred, H. W. |
| Graham, rt. hon. Sir J. | Teignmouth, Lord |
| Hall, Sir B. | Thornely, T. |
| Hastie, A. | Townley, R. G. |
| Heathcote, G. J. | Tufnell, H. |
| Hill, Lord A. M. C. | Vere, Sir C. B. |
| Hindley, C. | Vigors, N. A. |
| Hobhouse, rt. hon. Sir J. | Vivian, J. E. |
| Hodges, T. L. | Waddington, H. S. |
| Hodgson, R. | Wood, Colonel |
| Hoskins, K. | Wood, G. W. |
| Howard, hon. E.G. G. | Wood, B. |
| Howick, Viscount | Wyse, T. |
| Hughes, W. B. | |
| Hurt, F. | TELLERS. |
| Inglis, Sir R. H. | Maule, hon. F. |
| Jones, J. | Grey, Sir G. |
§ Remaining clauses agreed to.
§ The House resumed; Report to be received.