HC Deb 24 April 1839 vol 47 cc499-501
Mr. Barneby

moved, the order of the day for the further consideration of the report on the Highways Bill.

Colonel Wood

did not think, that they were improving the law with respect to turnpike roads by their legislation. He thought, that the roads were better under the old system than even under the bill of 1835, the great fault of which was the abolition of the statute labour. He did not like the present Bill—it would inflict a new Board upon the country—it would necessarily require new officers, and lead to great expense. If the parishes were compelled to have a paid surveyor, a great many difficulties that at present existed in the case of parish boards would be avoided; but he strongly objected to the new board proposed by the bill. He moved as an Amendment, "That the bill be re-committed this day six months."

Mr. Barneby

supported the bill.

The House divided on the original motion:—Ayes 84; Noes 60:—Majority 24.

List of the AYES.
Acland, Sir T. D. Courtenay, P.
Aglionby, H. A. Cripps, J.
Ainsworth, P. Darby, G
Bailey, J., jun. Davies, Colonel
Barrington Viscount Duff, J.
Bell, M. Dundas, Sir B.
Bewes, T. Eastnor, Viscount
Bowes, T. Edwards, J.
Bramston, T. W. Egerton, W. T.
Brownrigg, J. S. Eliot, Lord
Christopher, R. A. Evans, W.
Clive, Visct. Fazakerly, J. N.
Fremantle, Sir T. Palmer, C. F.
French, F. Palmer, R.
Freshfield, J. W. Patten, J. W.
Gibson, Thomas Pease, J.
Gordon, R. Peel, Sir R.
Graham, Sir J. Philips, M.
Hinde, J. H. Pigot, D. R.
Hodgson, F. Plumptre, J. P.
Howard, P. H. Pryme, G.
Hutton, R. Pusey, P.
Johnstone, H. Rice, E.
Kinnaird, hon. A. Rolfe, Sir R. M.
Knight, H. G. Round, C. G.
Lambton, H. Russell, Lord C.
Langdale, hon. C. Sanford, E. A.
Lascelles, hon. W. S. Sinclair, Sir G.
Lefroy, rt. hon. T. Somerset, Lord G.
Lemon, Sir C. Somerville, Sir W.
Lennox, Lord A. Stanley, E. J.
Lockhart, A. M. Stansfield, W. R. C.
Lynch, A. H. Stewart, J.
Mackinnon, W. A. Strutt, E.
M'Namara, W. Wall, B.
Marshall, W. Williams, R.
Marsland, H. Wilshere, W.
Mildmay, P. St. J. Winnington, T. E.
Mordaunt, Sir J. Winnington, H. J.
Morris, D. Worsley, Lord
Murray, A.
O'Brien, C. TELLERS.
Ord, W. Barneby, J.
Pakington, J. S. Slaney, R. A.
List of the NOES.
Barnard, E. G. Irton, S.
Bethell, R. Kemble, H.
Blackburne, J. I. Knatchbull, Sir E.
Blackstone, W. S. Liddell, H. T.
Brotherton, J. Lister, E. C.
Bryan, G. Lygon, Colonel
Buck, L. W. Master, Colonel
Bulwer, Sir E. L. Maunsell, T. P.
Burrell, Sir C. M. Parker, R. T.
Butler, hon. P. Parrott, J.
Calcraft, J. H. Pechell, Captain
Chute, W. L. W. Perceval, hon. G. J.
Clive, E. B. Rushbrooke, Colonel
Donkin, Sir R. Salwey, Colonel
Duncombe, T. S. Sheppard, T.
Duncombe, W. Sibthorp, Colonel
Dundas, C. W. D. Smith, A.
Du Pre, G. Smyth, Sir G. M.
Evans, G. Stanley, E.
Farnham, E. B. Style, Sir T. C.
Fielden, J. Thornley, T.
Goring, H. D. Turner, William,
Greene, T. G. Vere, Sir C. B.
Grimsditch, T. Vigors, N. A.
Grimston, Visct. Wilbraham, R. B.
Halford, H. Williams, W.
Harland, W. C. Wodehouse, E.
Hawes, B. Young, J.
Heathcoat, J.
Hector, C. J. TELLERS.
Heneage, G. W. Wood, T.
Hume, J. Strickland, Sir G.

House in Committee.

Mr. Darby

opposed it, on the ground, that it would occasion the withdrawal of several persons from the management of roads and proposed as an Amendment, that the Justices should give notice at Petty Sessions to the Overseers and Churchwardens of the different parishes, of their intention to divide the parishes into districts, and that at a Special Sessions, to be held in consequence, the districts shall be formed, and notice thereof given to the different parishes; and that the parishes in vestry assembled, shall return the names of persons for District Surveyor to the Justices, who shall appoint one from the list thus given, and shall fix his salary. He would not, however, press his amendment.

Sir G. Strickland

proposed to throw out that part of the clause enacting the appointment of a District Surveyor and District Boards, and to substitute nothing in its place.

Mr. Sanford

supported the appointment of District Boards.

Mr. Benett

agreed with the view taken by the hon. Baronet the Member for the West Riding of Yorkshire, and thought the present law sufficient to ensure good highways if it were properly enforced.

Mr. Barneby

complained of Members proposing new clauses without having them previously printed, and supported the original clause.

Mr. S. Lefevre

was in favour of the plan of the hon. Member for Sussex.

Sir George Strickland

wished to draw the attention of the House only to the first portion of the clause, which, and not the entire clause, was under discussion. Let them divide upon that, leaving out the passage down to the word "Board." He moved the omission of this part of the clause.

The Committee divided on the amendment:—Ayes 91; Noes 18:—Majority 73.

List of the AYES.
Aglionby, H. A. Rice, E. R.
Bowes, J. Stansfield, W. R. C.
Brotherton, J. Stewart, J.
Davies. Colonel, Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Handley, H. Vigors, N. A.
James, W. Wakley, T.
Langdale, hon. C. Warburton, H.
Marsland, H.
Mildmay, P. St. J. TELLERS.
Pakington, J. S. Barneby, J.
Pease, J. Worsley, Lord
Acland, Sir T. D. Howard, P. H.
Alston, R. Irton, S.
Barrington, Viscount Kemble, H.
Bell, M. Kinatchbull, right hon.
Benett, J. Sir E.
Bethell, R, Knight, H. G.
Blackburne, I. Lincoln, Earl of
Blackstone, W. S. Lister, E. C.
Bodkin, J. J. Lockhart, A. M.
Boldero, H. G. Maunsell, T. P.
Bramston, T. W. Mordaunt, Sir J.
Bridgeman, H. Muskett, G. A.
Brownrigge, S. Neeld, J.
Bruges, W. H. L. Norreys, Lord
Buck, L. W. Palmer, R.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Parker R. T.
Burrell, Sir C. Parrott, J.
Burroughes, H. N. Patten, J. W.
Calcraft, J. H Perceval, hon. G. J.
Cavendish, hon. C. Philips, M.
Cavendish, hn. G. H. Plumptre, J. P.
Christopher, R. A. Pusey, P.
Chute, W. L. W. Round, C. G.
Clive, E. B. Rushbrooke, Colonel
Compton, H. C. Russell, Lord
Cresswell, C. Bussell, Lord C.
Cripps, J. Sanford, E. A.
Darby, G. Scrope, G. P.
Darlington, Earl of Sheppard, T.
Duncombe, T. Sibthorp, Colonel
Dundas, Sir R. Somerset, Lord G.
Du Pre, G. Stanley, E.
Eastnor, Lord Visc. Thompson, Mr. Ald.
Egerton, W. T. Thornley, T.
Eliot, Lord, Turner, E.
Fielden, J. Vere, Sir C. B.
Fitzroy, Lord C. Wilbraham, G.
Gordon, R. Wilbraham, hon. B.
Goring, H. D. Williams, W.
Grimsditch, T. Williams, W. A.
Grimston, Viscount Wodehouse, E.
H afford, H. Wood, Col. T.
Hall, Sir B. Wood, G. W.
Harland, W. C. Young, J.
Hawes, B.
Hector, C. J. TELLERS.
Hinde, J. H. Lefevre, C.S.
Hodgson, R. Strickland, Sir G.
Mr. Barneby

said, that after the division which had just taken place, he did not know whether or not he ought to move, that the Chairman report progress, and the Committee ask leave to sit again. If the House preferred it, however, he had no objection to postpone all the clauses relating to the constitution of the boards, and proceed with the other parts of the bill. He moved that the Chairman report progress:—Ayes 47; Noes 18:Majority 29.

List of the AYES.
Benett, J. Boldero, H. G.
Bridgeman, H. Musket0t, G. A.
Brotherton, J. Neeld, J.
Bruges, W. H. L. Packe, C. W.
Buck, L. W. Parker, R. T.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Parrott, J.
Burroughes, H. N. Patten, J W.
Cresswell, C. Perceval, hon. G. J.
Fielden, J. Plumptre, J. P.
Gordon, R. Sheppard, T.
Grimsditch, T. Sibthorp, Colonel
Halford, H. Stanley, E. J.
Hall, Sir B. Stanley, E.
Harland, W. C. Strickland, Sir G.
Hector, C. J. Thompson, Mr. Ald.
Hinde, J. H. Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Hodgson, R. Turner, E.
Irton, S. Vigors, N. A.
Kemble, H. Wakley, T.
Langdale, hon. C. Williams, W.
Liddell, hon. H. T: Wood, Col. T.
Lister, E. C.
Lockhart, A. M. TELLERS.
Marsland, H. Goring, H. D.
Maunsell, T. P. James, W.
Mordaunt, Sir J.
List of the NOES.
Aglionby, H. A. Philips, M.
Bowes, J. Rumbold, C. E.
Christopher, R. A. Russell, Lord C.
Collier, J. Stansfield, W. R. C.
Darby, G. Williams, W. A.
Dundas, Sir R. Wood, Sir M.
Etwall, R. Worsley, Lord,
Handley, H.
Hoskins, K. TELLERS.
Lefevre, C. S. Barneby, J.
Pease, J. Hawes, B.

House resumed. Committee to sit again.

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