§ The House resolved itself into Committee on the Prisons (Scotland) Bill.
§ On Clause 2, empowering her Majesty's Government to nominate, besides those named in the clause, seven other persons to constitute the Board of Directors of Prisons in Scotland,
Mr. Colquhounmoved as an amendment, that instead of the "seven other persons" proposed, nine persons be nominated severally to the general board from the local boards of nine of the principal counties of Scotland, in which circuit courts are held. By this infusion, much local knowledge would be added to the general board, which it could not possess under the form proposed by this clause.
§ Mr. F. Mauleopposed the amendment, on the ground, that the seven individuals to be nominated by her Majesty's Government, chiefly noble Lords of the other House of Parliament, were unexceptionable, and could not be supposed to be actuated by any prejudice whatever in their capacity of directors.
§ Sir G. Clerkadmitted the unexceptionable character of those individuals, but supported the amendment of his hon. Friend, as he thought it would be much more advisable to have a mixture of persons from the different counties in Scotland, in order to render the general board a popular elective body.
§ The Committee divided on the Amendment:—Ayes 50; Noes, 78: Majority 28.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Acland, T. D. | Dunbar, G. |
| Arbuthnot, hon. H. | Forrester, hon. G. |
| Baillie, Colonel | Gibson, T. |
| Blair, J. | Gordon, hon. Captain |
| Broadley, H. | Goulburn, rt. hon. H. |
| Chute, W. L. W. | Graham, rt. hn. Sir J. |
| Clerk, Sir G. | Grimsditch, T. |
| Cresswell, C. | Hawkes, T. |
| Darby, G. | Hepburn, Sir T. B. |
| Douglas, Sir C. E. | Hodgson, R. |
| Duffield, T. | Hotham, Lord |
| Houstoun, G. | Pringle, A. |
| Hurt, F. | Round, C. G. |
| Jackson, Sergeant | Round, J. |
| James, Sir W. C. | Rushbrooke, Colonel |
| Johnstone, H. | Shaw, right hon. F. |
| Jones, J. | Sheppard, T. |
| Kelly, F. | Sinclair, Sir G. |
| Lockhart, A. M. | Somerset, Lord G. |
| Lowther, hon. Colonel | Stuart, H. |
| Mackenzie, T. | Stuart, Lord J. |
| Mackenzie, W. F. | Verner, Colonel |
| Manners, Lord C. S. | Waddington, H. S. |
| Maxwell, H. | |
| Monypenny, T. G. | TELLERS. |
| Nicholl, J. | Colquhoun, J. C. |
| Perceval, Colonel | Hope, G. W. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| Abercromby, hn. G. R. | Macleod, R. |
| Adam, Admiral | Marsland, Viscount |
| Aglionby, Major | Melgund, Viscount |
| Archbold, R. | Morris, D. |
| Baines, E. | Murray, rt. hon. J. A. |
| Bannerman, A. | O'Brien, C. |
| Beamish, F. B. | O'Connell, M. J. |
| Berkeley, hon. H. | O'Connell, M. |
| Bewes, T. | O'Ferrall, R. M. |
| Bridgeman, H. | Pease, J. |
| Brocklehurst, J. | Pechell, Captain |
| Brotherton, J. | Pryme, G. |
| Callaghan, D. | Rae, right hon. Sir W. |
| Campbell, W. F. | Redington, T. N. |
| Chalmers, P. | Rolfe, Sir R. M. |
| Collier, J. | Rundle, J. |
| Craig, W. G. | Salwey, Colonel |
| Crompton, S. | Sharpe, General |
| Curry, W. | Stanley, E. J. |
| Dennistoun, J. | Style, Sir C. |
| Duke, Sir J. | Talbot, C. R. |
| Dundas, C. W. D. | Talbot, J. H. |
| Dundas, Captain D. | Thornley, T. |
| Dundas, F. | Troubridge, Sir E. T. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Turner, W. |
| Elliot, hon. J. E. | Vigors, N. A. |
| Fergusson, right hon. R. C. | Vivian, rt. hon. Sir R. |
| Walker, R. | |
| Finch, F. | Wallace, R. |
| Fitzroy, Lord C. | Warburton, H. |
| Gillon, W. D. | Weymss, J. E. |
| Hawes, B. | Wilde, Sergeant |
| Hill, Lord A. M. C. | Williams, W. A. |
| Hobhouse, T. B. | Wilshere, W. |
| Howard, F. J. | Wood, G. W. |
| Howard, P. H. | Worsley, Lord |
| Hume, J. | Wyse, T. |
| James, W. | Yates, J. A. |
| Johnson, General | TELLERS. |
| Langdale, hon. C. | Maule, hon. F. |
| Lushington, C. | Steuart, R. |
§ Clause agreed to.
§ On coming to Clause 4, which enacts that the secretary to the board be appointed by Government,
§ On the question that the clause stand 1423 part of the bill, the Committee divided:—Ayes 68; Noes 40: Majority 28.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Abercromby, hn. G. R. | Macleod, R. |
| Adam, Admiral | Marsland, H. |
| Aglionby, Major | Melgund, Viscount |
| Archbold, R. | Murray, rt. hon. J. A. |
| Baines, E | O'Brien, Cornelius |
| Bannerman, A. | O'Connell, M. J. |
| Beamish, F. B. | O'Connell, M. |
| Bridgeman, H. | O'Ferrall, R. M. |
| Brocklehurst, J. | Pease, J. |
| Brotherton, J. | Pechell, Captain |
| Callaghan, D. | Pryme, G. |
| Campbell, W. F. | Redington, T. N. |
| Chalmers, P. | Rolfe, Sir R. M. |
| Craig, W. G. | Rundle, John |
| Crompton, S. | Salwey, Colonel |
| Curry, W. | Sharpe, General |
| Dennistoun, J. | Stanley, E. J. |
| Duke, Sir J. | Stuart, Lord J. |
| Dundas, C. W. D. | Style, Sir C. |
| Dundas, Captain D. | Talbot, C. R. M. |
| Dundas, F. | Talbot, J. H. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Thornely, T. |
| Elliot, hon. J. E. | Troubridge, Sir E. T. |
| Fergusson, right hon. R. C. | Vigors, N. A. |
| Wallace, R. | |
| Finch, F. | Warburton, H. |
| Fitzroy, Lord C. | Weymss, J. E. |
| Gillon, W. D. | Wilde, Sergeant |
| Hawes, B. | Williams, W. A. |
| Hill. Lord A. M. C. | Wood, G. W. |
| Hobhouse, T. B. | Worsley, Lord |
| Howard, F. J. | Wyse, T. |
| Howard, P. H. | Yates, J. A. |
| James, W. | TELLERS. |
| Johnson, General | Maule, hon. F. |
| Langdale, hon. C. | Steuart, R. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| Arbuthnot, hon. H. | Hope, G. W. |
| Baillie, Colonel | Houstoun, G. |
| Blair, J. | Hurt, F. |
| Broadley, H. | Inglis, Sir R. H. |
| Chute, W. L. W. | James, Sir W. C. |
| Clerk, Sir G. | Johnstone, H. |
| Colquhoun, J. C. | Jones, John |
| Cresswell, C. | Kelly, F. |
| Darby, G. | Lowther, Col. |
| Duffield, T. | Mackenzie, T. |
| Dunbar, G. | Mackenzie, W. F. |
| Forester, hon. G. | Manners, Lord C. S. |
| Gibson, T. | Nicholl, John |
| Gladstone, W. E. | Palmer, G. |
| Goulburn, rt. hon. H. | Perceval, Colonel |
| Graham, rt. hn. Sir J. | Pringle, A. |
| Grimsditch, T. | Rae, rt. hon. Sir W. |
| Hepburn, Sir T. B. | Round, C. G. |
| Sheppard, T. | |
| Sinclair, Sir G. | TELLERS. |
| Verner, Colonel | Gordon, hon. Captain |
| Wadding, H. S. | Lockhart, A. M. |
§ On Clause 13, it was proposed to leave out the words "and particularly for training the prisoners in good and industrious habits, by employing them in useful labour, by affording them religious and moral instruction, and by effecting their complete separation from vicious society."
§ On this question the Committee again divided:—Ayes 22; Noes 49; Majority 27.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Boldero, H. G. | Melgund, Viscount |
| Brotherton, J. | Nicholl, J. |
| Chalmers, P. | Pechell, Captain |
| Dennistoun, J. | Salwey, Colonel |
| Dundas, C. W. D. | Vigors, N. A. |
| Dundas, F. | Wallace, R. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Warburton, H. |
| Finch, F. | Williams, W. A. |
| Hobhouse, T. B. | Wood, G. W. |
| Howard, F. J. | |
| Inglis, Sir R. H. | TELLERS. |
| James, Sir W. C. | Hawes, B. |
| Macleod, R. | Pease, J. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| Abercromby, hn. G. R. | Jones, J. |
| Adam, Admiral | Kelly, F. |
| Arbuthnot, hon. H. | Lockhart, A. M. |
| Archbold, R. | Mackenzie, T. |
| Baillie, Colonel | Mackenzie, W. F. |
| Bannerman, A. | Maule, hon. F. |
| Beamish, F. B. | Murray, rt. hon. J. A. |
| Blair, J. | O'Connell, M. J. |
| Campbell, W. F. | O'Connell, M. |
| Clerk, Sir G. | Palmer, G. |
| Craig, W. G. | Perceval, Colonel |
| Cresswell, C. | Pringle, A. |
| Curry, W. | Pryme, G. |
| Duke, Sir J. | Rae, Sir W. |
| Dundas, Captain D. | Reddington, T. N. |
| Elliot, hon. J. E. | Round, C. G. |
| Fergusson, rt. hon. C. | Sharpe, General |
| Filmer, Sir E. | Sibthorp, Colonel |
| Gillon, W. D. | Sinclair, Sir G. |
| Gladstone, W. E. | Stuart, Lord J. |
| Gordon, hon. Capt. | Talbot, J. H. |
| Hepburn, Sir T. B. | Worsley, Lord |
| Hill, Lord A. M. C. | Wyse, T. |
| Hope, G. W. | TELLERS. |
| Houstoun, G. | Rolfe, Sir R. M. |
| Howard, P. H. | Steuart, R. |
§ Remaining clauses were passed, and the House resumed.