HC Deb 16 May 1838 vol 42 cc1358-61
Sir W. Rae

moved the order of the day for the House to resolve itself into a committee on the Small Debts (Scotland) Bill.

Mr. Wallace

opposed the motion. The jurisdiction at present worked well, and he was against raising it. He objected also to the division of counties into districts, because the judges might then delegate their power to clerks of the courts and others. It was a prevalent and vicious practice for clerks of the courts to be the legal advisers of the parties. The hon. Mover must know the incompetence of the Scotch justices of the peace to do the duty which he proposed to impose upon them. He would move, as au amend- ment, that the bill be committed on that day six months.

Amendment withdrawn.

House went into committee.

The Lord Advocate

moved an amendment on the second clause, the effect of which was to leave the amount of the jurisdiction as it at present stood at 5l., instead of raising it, as proposed in the bill, to 8l. 6s. 8d.

The Committee divided on the original clause:—Ayes 60; Noes 40: Majority 20.

List of the AYES.
Acland, T. D. Hepburn, Sir T. B.
Arbuthnot, hon. H. Herries, rt. hon. J. C.
Bagge, W. Hinde, J. H.
Bailey, J. Hodgson. R.
Baillie, Colonel Holmes, R.
Blackstone, W. S. Houstoun, G.
Blair, J. Hughes. W. B.
Boldero, H. G. Jones, J.
Broadley, H. Lockhart, A. M.
Brownrigg, S. Mackenzie, T.
Burrell, Sir G. Meynell, Captain
Chandos, Marquess of Morgan, C. M. R.
Clerk, Sir G. Nicholl, J.
Cole, Viscount Parker, R. T.
Dalrymple, Sir A. Perceval, hon. G. J.
Eastnor, Viscount Rolleston, L.
Egerton, W. T. Round, C. G.
Ellis, J. Round, J.
Estcourt, T. Sheppard, T.
Estcourt, T. Sinclair, Sir G.
Farnham, E. B. Somerset, Lord G.
Fitzroy, hon. H. Stewart, J.
Fleming, J. Stuart, J.
Forester, hon. G. Verner, Colonel
Gaskell, J. M. Waddington, H. S.
Gordon, hon. Captain Wood, T.
Gore, O. W. Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.
Graham, rt. hon. Sir J. Yorke, hon. E. T.
Grimsditch, T.
Hardinge, rt. hn. Sir H. TELLERS.
Hawkes, T. Rae, Sir W.
Henniker, Lord Pringle, A.
List of the NOES.
Abercromby, hn. G. R. Fort, J.
Aglionby, H. A. Hall, B.
Aglionby, Major Hector, C. J.
Alston, R. Hume, J.
Archbold, R. Hutton, R.
Barnard, E. G. Lister, E. C.
Barry, G. S. Lushington, C.
Brotherton, J. Macleod, R.
Campbell, Sir J. Murray, rt. hon. J. A.
Chalmers, P. O'Brien, C.
Collier, J. Parrott, J.
Courtenay, P. Pechell, Captain
Craig, W. G. Scholefield, J.
Davies, Colonel Smith, B.
Dennistoun, J. Stanley, E. J.
Duff, J. Stewart, J.
Elliot, hon, J. E. Thornely, T.
Vigors, N. A. Williams, W.
Villiers, C. P.
Wallace, R. TELLERS.
Warburton, H. Maule, hon. F.
Wemyss, J. E. Gillon, W. D.

Clause agreed to.

Mr. Wallace

Moved, on the third clause, that it be taken into consideration that day six months.

The Committee divided again on the original motion:—Ayes 75; Noes 14; Majority 61.

List of the AYES.
Abercromby, hn. G. R. Henniker, Lord
Aglionby, H. A. Hepburne, Sir T. B.
Alston, R. Hinde, J. H.
Arbuthnot, hon. H. Hodgson, R.
Archbold, Robert Holmes, W.
Bagge, W. Houston, G.
Bailey, J. Hughes, W. B.
Baillie, Colonel Jones, J.
Barrington, Viscount Lefroy, rt. hon. T.
Blackstone, W. S. Lister, E. C.
Blair, J. Lockhart, A. M.
Boldero, H. G. Mackenzie, T.
Broadley, H. Macleod, R.
Brotherton, J. Maule, hon. F.
Brownrigg, S. Morgan, C. M. R.
Burrell, Sir C. Murray, rt. hn. J. A.
Campbell, Sir J. Nicholl, J.
Chandos, Marquess of Parker, R. T.
Cole, Viscount Perceval, hon. G. J.
Courtenay, P. Rae, rt. hon. Sir W.
Craig, W. G. Rolleston, L.
Dalrymple, Sir A. Round, G. G.
Davies, Colonel Round, J.
Duff, J. Scholefield, J.
Eastnor, Viscount Sheppard, T.
Egerton, W. T. Sinclair, Sir G.
Estcourt, T. Somerset, Sir G.
Estcourt, T. Stanley, E. J.
Farnham, E. B. Stewart, J.
Fitzroy, hon. H. Stewart, J.
Fleming, J. Verner, Colonel
Forester, hon. G. Waddington, H. S.
Gaskell, J. Milnes Warburton, H.
Gordon, hon. Captain Wood, T.
Gore, O. Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.
Graham, rt. hn. Sir J. Yorke, hon. E. T.
Grimsditch, T. TELLERS.
Hall, B. Clerk, Sir G.
Hawkes, T. Pringle, A.
List of the NOES.
Aglionby, Major Thorneley, T.
Chalmers, P. Vigors, N. A.
Dennistoun, J. Villiers, Charles P.
Hector, C. J. Wemyss, J. E.
Hume, J. Williams, W.
Lushington, C.
Parrott, J. TELLERS.
Pechell, Captain Wallace, R.
Smith, B. Gillon, W. D.

On clause 18,

Mr. Chalmers

moved, that it be omitted, because he thought it gave too great a power to the magistrates presiding in the small courts.

The Committee divided on the original motion:—Ayes 55; Noes 10; Majority 45.

List of the AYES.
Abercromby, hn. G. R. Grimsditch, T.
Alston, R. Hawkes, T.
Arbuthnot, hon. H. Hepburn, Sir T. B.
Bagge, W. Houston, G.
Barrington, Viscount Hughes, W. B.
Blackstone, W. S. Hume, J.
Blair, J. Lister, E. C.
Boldero, H. G. Lockhart, A. M.
Broadley, H. Mackenzie, F.
Brownrigg, S. Mackenzie, W. F.
Campbell, W. F. Macleod, R.
Chandos, Marquess of Maule, hon. F.
Codrington, C. W. Nicholl, J.
Cole, Viscount Pakington, J. S.
Courtenay, P. Parker, R. T.
Craig, W. G. Perceval, hon. G. J.
Darby, G. Rae, rt. hon. Sir W.
Davies, Colonel Richards, R.
Duncombe, hon. W. Rolleston, L.
Duff, J. Round, C. G.
Eastnor, Viscount Sinclair, Sir G.
Estcourt, T. Smith, B.
Estcourt, T. Somerset, Lord G.
Fitzroy, hon. H. Wood, T.
Forester, hon. G. Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.
Fremantle, Sir T. Yorke, hon. E. T.
Gaskell, J. M. TELLERS.
Gordon, hon. Captain Clerk, sir G.
Graham, rt. hn. Sir J. Pringle, A.
List of the NOES.
Aglionby, H. A. Vigors, N. A.
Aglionby, Major Warburton, H.
Chalmers, P. Wemyss, J. E.
Dennistoun, J.
Pechell, Captain TELLERS.
Stewart, J. Wallace, R.
Thorneley, T. Gillon, W. D.

Remaining clauses agreed to; the House resumed; and the bill, as amended, was ordered to be printed.

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