§ Lord John Russellmoved the appointment of the Committee on Militia Estimates.
§ Mr. Humeobjected. He did not see that any benefit could result from its labours, and he did not believe, that in time of war the militia staff would be anything but useless.
§ Lord John Russellhad consulted the Duke of Wellington upon this point, and he found that the opinion of the noble Duke differed very much from that of the hon. Member for Kilkenny.
§ Mr. Divettsaid, that it was impossible if a war broke out, that a militia staff could be of any use whatever.
§ Lord John Russellintended to introduce a measure by which the militia force would be rendered more effective.
§ Colonel Salweysaid, that the militia was a most useful and constitutional force, and he regretted, that the noble Lord had taken the advice of the Duke of Wellington and reduced it. If the noble Lord would take the advice of his political friends they would be much better pleased.
§ Mr. Humemoved, that the committee have power to send for persons, papers, and records. He was desirous, as the committee was appointed, to have the subject fully investigated.
§ Sir H. Hardingesaid, that if the hon. Member wanted to take the committee out of the hands of Government, he had better move for a select committee.
§ Mr. Hodgeshoped, that the noble Lord (Lord John Russell) would take for the basis of any measure affecting the militia, a rule, that whenever they were assembled at any time they should be subject to martial law.
§ Lord John Russellsaid, he thought it better that an inquiry such as that proposed by the hon. Member for Kilkenny should be instituted at the commencement of the next Session.
§ The House divided on Mr. Hume's motion: Ayes 25; Noes 102: Majority 77.
| List of the AYES. | |
| Aglionby, Major | Hector, C. J. |
| Brotherton, J. | Kinnaird, hon. A. |
| Bryan, G. | Lushington, C. |
| Chalmers, P. | Martin, J. |
| Collins, W. | Muskett, G. A. |
| Easthope, J. | Pattison J. |
| Finch, F. | Pechell, Capt. |
| Gillon, W. D. | Salwey, Colonel |
| Grote, G. | Sheil, R. L. |
| Hastie, A. | Stansfield, W. R. |
| Stewart, J. | Yates, J. A. |
| Thornely, T. | TELLERS. |
| Vigors, N. A. | Divett, E. |
| Wallace, R. | Hume, J. |
| List of the NOES. | |
| A'Court, Captain | Hughes, W. B. |
| Adam, Admiral | Hurst, R. H. |
| Alsager, Captain | Hurt, F. |
| Alston, R. | Ingham, R. |
| Anson, hon. Col. | James, W. |
| Barnard, E. G. | James, Sir W. C. |
| Barrington, Viscount | Knight, H. G. |
| Bernal, R. | Labouchere, H. |
| Blackburne, I. | Langton, W. G. |
| Blackstone, W. | Lincoln, Earl of |
| Boldero, H. G. | Lowther, J. H. |
| Bowes, J. | Lygon, hon. General |
| Broadley, H. | Mackenzie, T. |
| Brodie, W. B. | Mahon, Viscount |
| Bruges, W, H. L. | Maule, hon. F. |
| Buller, Sir J. Y. | Mildmay, P. St. J. |
| Campbell, Sir J. | Miles, P. W. S |
| Canning, Sir S. | Parker, J. |
| Chute, W. L. W. | Parker, R. T. |
| Conyngham, Lord | Patten, J. W. |
| Corry, hon. H. | Perceval, Colonel |
| Craig, W. G. | Perceval, hon. G. |
| Darby, G. | Ponsonby, hon. J. |
| Denison, W. J. | Praed, W. M. |
| Douglas, Sir C. E. | Praed, W. T. |
| Dunbar, G. | Price, Sir R. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Pryme, G. |
| Egerton, W. T. | Pusey, P. |
| Elliot, hon. J. E. | Rushbrooke, R. |
| Ferguson, R. | Russell, Lord J. |
| Filmer, Sir E. | Sanford, E. A. |
| Fleetwood, Sir P. | Seymour, Lord |
| Freshfield, J. W. | Sibthorp, Col. |
| Gladstone, W. E. | Somerset, Lord G. |
| Gordon, Captain | Stanley, E. J. |
| Gore, O. W. | Stanley, Lord |
| Goulburn, H. | Stuart, Lord J. |
| Graham, Sir J. | Sturt, H. C. |
| Grant, F. W. | Sugden, Sir E. |
| Grey, Sir G. | Thomson, C. P. |
| Grimsditch, T. | Vere, Sir C. B. |
| Hale, R. B. | Vivian, Sir R. H. |
| Hardinge, Sir H. | Waddington, H. |
| Hawkes, T. | Walsh, Sir J. |
| Hayter, W. G. | White, A. |
| Heathcoate, G. J. | Wilmot, Sir J. |
| Herries, J. C. | Wood, T. |
| Hodges, T. L. | Worsley, Lord |
| Hodgson, R. | Wyndham, W. |
| Hogg, J. W. | |
| Hope, hon. C. | TELLERS. |
| Hoskins, K. | Burrell, Sir C. |
| Houldsworth, T. | Steuart, R. |