§ (By the Chancellor of the Exchequer.)
§ You were at Mrs. Clarke's, as you state, on the Tuesday morning? Yes.
§ And saw Mrs. Clarke? Yes.
§ Was Mrs. C. at home when you called? I believe she was up stairs.
§ How long might you be at her house before you saw her? I do not think very long. A short time.
§ How long did you stay there? I cannot speak very correctly; it is impossible for me to say exactly; perhaps half an hour or thereabouts. I believe I was in my carriage; but I am not. certain.
§ You came there in your carriage? I think so: but I am not very positive. I have been so constantly in the habits of going there that it is impossible for me to say: but I rather think I was in my carriage.
§ Do you recollect how long you were there? Upon my word I do not, or else I would answer most fully; but to say positively that I can name a time, it really is not in my power.
§ At what hour of the day did you go there? Upon my word I cannot exactly say; I think the first time I saw Mrs. C. on Tuesday was early in the morning.
§ About what time? Upon my word I do not know the hour; but I remember going down in her carriage with her to the end of the King's Road.
§ On the Tuesday morning? Yes, on the Tuesday morning.
§ You called upon her in the morning? Yes.
§ At what time in the morning did you call upon her first? It was after breakfast; I should think about eleven or twelve o'clock. I do not speak positively.
§ Was it at that time you called upon her in your carriage? No, it was not; I think I walked there.
§ How long did you stay with her on that occasion when you called there, having walked there? To the best of my recollection, there were a parcel of workmen putting up looking glasses, and things of that kind, in the house: and I do not think I was there more than a short time.
§ Half an hour? Upon my word I cannot say; if it is of any consequence, I will endeavour to recollect. I rather think to the best of my recollection, but I speak without certainty to these points, that her carriage was at the door, I am not certain.
§ Did you go out with her in her carriage? I did.
329§ On that morning? Yes, as far as the bar at the bottom of the King's Road.
§ Did you call upon her afterwards in your carriage on that day? I think I did in my carriage. I called upon her that day.
§ At what time did you call upon her in your carriage? I really cannot exactly say; I should think it might have been three o'clock. I do not speak to an hour, but, as far as I can recollect, that was the time. It has since occurred to me where I had been; I had taken a long walk, and returned and went to her house in my carriage.
§ Did you sec her when you called upon her in your carriage? I did.
§ She was at home then? I think she was up stairs, and came down soon.
§ Then Mrs. C. saw you the second time? She saw me the second time.
§ Do you recollect how long you staid with her the second time? I do not think long: I should think about half an hour: I do not know whether it was so much. I cannot be positive as to the time.
§ Then I understand you to have said, that you saw her a third time in the evening? As I have before stated, I saw her at night in her drawing-room, with some company, for a very short time.
§ You called upon her the morning before; the Monday? I did.
§ Mrs. C. was not at home then? She was not at home; and I was under a mistake on the former night, in supposing that what occurred on the Tuesday, had happened on the Monday.
§ Did you see her at all on the Monday? As I was coming away, having waited about two hours, she came in after driving about in town.
§ Did you stay any time after she came in? No, I did not; I came away immediately.
§ Then both on the Monday and on the Tuesday you had seen her in the course of the morning? As I have stated, I saw her for a very short time, just as she came in on the Monday.
§ On the Tuesday, had you any conversation with her on the subject of these charges? I do not really recollect that I had; positively no pointed conversation at all.
§ Did Mrs. C. first mention this subject of the charges against h. r. h. the duke of York to you, or did you first mention it to her? I fancy in the first instance I asked her questions respecting them.
§ Do you recollect from whom you first derived your information on this subject? To say from whom is totally impossible. I could not, with propriety, state many of the names.
§ Have you received the information from Mr. Finnerty? I never received any information from Mr. Finnerty in my life upon this subject. Within these few days he spoke to me, but not any information respecting these charges. I did not know Mr. Finnerty, and as to his giving me any information, he never did. Within these few days, Mr. Finnerty spoke to me respecting 330 Dr. Thynne; I believe the very day before Dr. T. was examined. I think it necessary to add that when major Hogan's pamphlet was published, on seeing the matter held out there, of information being ready to be given to any member of parliament who asked for it, I wrote a letter addressed to major Hogan, and, in consequence of that letter I had an interview with Mr. Finnerty, I put some questions to Mr. Finnerty, and I found, or at least, I had every re;ison to believe, that he had not any information at all upon the subject; and none did he give me. I never had any information whatever from Mr. Finnerty that led to any charge which I have made. I never, to my knowledge, saw Mr. Finnerty in my life till he came, in consequence of my letter to major Hogan, and then I had not any information from him, which led to the charges I have made.
§ (By Mr. Yorke.)
§ When was it that you saw Mr. Finnerty, in consequence of your letter to major Hogan; was it before or after the communication respecting Dr. T.? The communication respecting Dr. T. occurred in this lobby, or near it I believe the night Dr. T. gave his evidence. It was some months ago when I applied by letter, perhaps a month after the publication of major Hogan's pamphlet.
§ (By Mr. S. Bourne.)
§ Was the day, on which you now recollect to have seen Mrs. C. three times, the day before your last examination? I have before stated, that I was led to believe, that what occurred on the Tuesday had happened on the Monday; as soon as I got home from this house, I made some enquiries that set me to rights on that subject, and I took the earliest opportunity yesterday of communicating, in this house, my mistake to the right hon. gent. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and to the right hon. gent. the Speaker.
§ Are you certain that the day on which you now recollect to have seen Mrs. C. three times. was the day before your last examination? Yes, it was on Tuesday last.