§ Mr. P. Mooresaid, he would not object to suspend the operation of the existing laws respecting the woollen manufacturers, against those violations which had been hitherto made, but he must object to the continuing this suspension still farther, he considered that the violators of the law were comparatively few, and that the trespassers and intruders bore but a small proportion to the number of those engaged in the trade. In opposing them, he therefore took the side that he always wished to take, that of the many against the few. Those who proposed the bill, and the many country members who were favourable to it, he considered were rather taking the part of the few against the many. He therefore should propose a clause, "That this bill should only operate to prevent prosecutions from those violations of the existing laws which had already taken place, but should not prevent prosecutions for violations which might be committed hereafter."
§ Mr. H. Lascellessaid, that the reason why so many gentlemen supported the bill was, that it had become evident in the course of the trade, that the principles of many of those very old acts of parliament, would be at present inapplicable, and highly injurious to the woollen manufacture. He did not wish absolutely to decide upon the policy of those old acts, but as it was at present very doubtful, he thought it would be the best way for the house to go into a committee, when they would be able to obtain the fullest information on the subject.
§ Mr. Wilberforcethought that the hon. gent. (Mr. Moore) had rather gone upon general principles, or those which carried with them a show of popularity. He had spoken of the interests of the many, as opposed to those of the few. For his part, he was convinced that the interests of commerce and of trade, were the interests both of the many and of the few. The wages of the manufacturers were raised when the trade went well. The hon. gent. however, appeared to him to be mistaken in his distinction about the many and the few, for the fact was, that there were very many who carried on manufactures in their own houses and in a domestic way, which he considered was better both for trade and for the morals of those engaged in it, than 425 that way of carrying on manufactures where many journeymen are employed by a few masters in large manufactories. He declared that he had no other wish upon the subject, than that a business of such importance should be fully considered, and that the best resolution might be taken which the most mature deliberation could give. He therefore wished that the bill should be committed early in the session, and was sure that the persons engaged in the trade would have full confidence in the care and attention of their representatives to their true interests.
§ Mr. Brookehoped that no impediment would be thrown in the way of the final settlement of this business, which had been now two years before the house. His object was to promote the interests of all parties. He hoped the hon. gent. would not insist on his clause.
Lord Templesaid, that he knew the wish of his majesty's ministers upon this subject was, to relieve the manufacturers from any improper restraint. Whether the restraints imposed upon them by those old acts of parliament might be taken away or not, was a matter that could not be decided without the most serious consideration, and the best information that could be had. It was, because he was not prepared to decide, that he could not agree to the clause proposed. Such a clause would be absolutely deciding the question.
§ Mr. P. Mooreexplained, that when he spoke of the many and the few, he considered very much that numerous class of manufacturers, whose petition he presented, and who had been waiting for years: he meant the petition of the employed against the employers. The first class were anxious for the decision of the house; the latter class, as he thought, was not so desirous of it. He hoped that the discussion, and the adoption of the clause he had proposed, would bring them to agree to reasonable terms with those in their employment.
§ Mr. Wilberforcesaid, that, by this explanation, the suspicion he had entertained was realized; that it was for another description of men than those who were the objects of this bill, that the hon. gent. felt so warmly.—The clause was then rejected, and lord Temple gave notice, that he should on Friday next move for a committee to consider the state of the woollen manufacture.