HC Deb 13 May 1805 vol 4 cc847-33

—a message was delivered from the lords stating, "that the lords do give leave to the lord Harrowby to come to the select committee of the house of commons, to whom the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry (respecting the office of the treasurer of his majesty's navy) is referred, to enquire into the application of any monies issued to the treasurer of the navy for naval services to purposes not naval, and whether any, and what representations were made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasure, or the chancellor of the exchequer, respecting the withdrawing from the bank any sums of money so issued since the passing of the act of 25 Geo. III. c. 31; and also into the proceedings had for the recovery of the debt due to the crown by the late Adam Jellicoe; on order to be examined at that committee, of his do desire a present conference with this house, in the painted chamber, upon the subject matter of their message to the lords, on Friday, the 3d day of this instant May, desiring that their lordships will give leave to lord viscount Melville to come to the select committee of this house, to whom the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry (respecting the office of the treasurer of his majesty's navy) stands referred, in order to be examined at the committee." And then the messengers withdrew.—Resolved, that this house doth agree to a conference with the lords, as is desired by their lordships. And the messengers were again called in; and Mr. Speaker acquainted them therewith. And then they again withdreq.—Ordered, that a committee be appointed to manage the said conference. And a committee was appointed accordingly. Then the names of the managers were called over; and they went to the conference, and being returned; Mr. Leycester reported, "that the managers had met the lords at the conference, which was managed on the part of the lords by the Duke of Norfolk; and that the conference was to acquaint this house; that the lords, always desirous that a good intelligence and right understanding should be maintained betwixt the two houses, and persuaded that nothing can tend more effectually thereunto than a close adherence to the ancient and regular methods of proceeding between the two houses, have desired this conference upon the subject of commons for leave for the lord viscount Melville to attend the select committee of that house in order to be examined, to communicate to the house of commons;—that it appears undeniably, by an uniform series of precedents down to the present time, that the course adopted by the lords, respecting the giving leave to the members of their lordship's house to go down to the house of commons,has been to permit the members of their lordship's house, on their own request, to defend themselves in the house of commons, if they think fit, on any points on which that house has not previously passed any accusatory or criminating resolutions against them; and also, to permit the members of their lordship's house, on the request of the house of commons, to give evidence, if they think fit, before that house, or any committee thereof, on those points only on which on matter of accusation or charge is at the time in any manner depending against them before that house, whether the same shall then have been resolved by the house of commons or not.—That the lords had also directed them to acquaint the house of com- mons, that their lordships, relying With the most perfect confidence that the house of commons are at all times as desirous to preserve the privileges of the lords as to maintain their own, have given leave to lord viscount Melville (who had also previously made it his own unqualified request) to go down to the select committee of the house of commons, to whom the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry (respecting the office of the treasurer of his majesty's navy) is referred, to enquire into the application of any monies issued to the treasurer of the navy for naval services to purposes not naval, and whether any and what representations were made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, or the chancellor of the exchequer, respecting the withdrawing from the bank any sums of money so issued since the passing of the act of 25 Geo., III. c. 31 ; and also, into the proceedings had for the recovery of the debt due to the crown by the late Adam Jellicoe; in order to be examined at that committee, if he shall so think fit, his lordship, nevertheless, conforming himself in all respects to the course directed to be communicated to the commons as above."