HC Deb 14 February 1934 vol 285 cc1930-2W

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the respective allowances paid in lieu of official quarters to Scottish prison warders who live out of Government quarters; whether the removal allowances as granted to prison officers in England and Wales are withheld from the Scottish officers; if the latter officers are paid on similar rates to the officers in England and Wales; and, in view of the fact that the warders across the border, are civil servants, why is this discrimination made?


The rent allowances payable to prison warders in Scotland who are not provided with official quarters range from 6s. 6d. to 10s. 6d. a week. The rules governing the grant of removal expenses to prison officers on transfer differ in England and Scotland, and those applying to the Scottish service are designed to meet the special conditions obtaining therein. I understand that the main difference is that officers in the Scottish service do not receive a flat rate grant—usually of £5—which is allowed in respect of certain miscellaneous expenses. The answer to the third part of the question is in the affirmative. I shall be prepared to look again into the question of the flat-rate grant on removal and any other points in which it may be represented that there is discrimination.


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the minimum and maximum rates of basic pay of a Scottish prison warder before and after the application of the Stanhope Report of 1923; the minimum and maximum basic rates of pay of a prison warder doing duty at the lunatic department, Perth, before and after the application of the said report; what increase of basic pay does a prison warder receive over and above his original basic pay on being posted to the lunatic department; by how much a prison warder's basic rate of pay is reduced on joining the Perth lunatic department;

Members of British Commonwealth. U.S.A. Japan.
1914. 1918. 1934. 1914. 1918. 1934. 1914. 1918. 1934.
Capital Ships 69 59 15 33 39 15 16 23 9
Cruisers 108 109 51 38 34 21 37 28 31*
Destroyers 216 433 152 51 110 251 50 73 101
Torpedo Boats 106 94 18 17 31 24
Submarines 74 137 52 31 77 82 13 16 59
France. Italy.
1914. 1918. 1934. 1914. 1918. 1934
Capital Ships 26 20 9 14 14 4
Cruisers 34 29 15 26 17 24
Destroyers 88 91 73† 33 53 94
Torpedo Boats 143 121 3 91 1[...]6 4
Submarines 54 63 94 19 78 43
* There are also nine old cruisers classed as Coast Defence or Special Service vessels.
† Includes 24 Large Flotilla Leaders.

and whether, in view of the discontent prevailing amongst members of the Scottish Prison Officers' Representative Board on the official interpretation of paragraph 18 of the said report, he will consider referring the matter to arbitration before the appropriate court?


The minimum and maximum rates of basic pay of prison warders in Scotland (including those in the criminal lunatic department at Perth) before the application of the report of the Stanhope Committee were 29s. and 43s. a week respectively, and as a result of that report the maximum was increased to 45s. a week. These rates carry Civil Service bonus and certain allowances in addition. Under the report of the Stanhope Committee, the special allowance payable to warders serving in the criminal lunatic department was increased to 3s. a week, and warders serving in the prisons on 27th July, 1923, were allowed, in lieu of certain miscellaneous payments, a basic increase of 1s. a week, but these allowances are not payable concurrently to the same officer. Consequently a warder on transfer to the criminal lunatic

department receives the special allowance of 3s. a week and his basic pay is adjusted by reduction of 1s. a week, the maximum remaining however unaffected. In the event of subsequent re-transfer to a prison the increase of 1s. a week would be restored to him. As regards the interpretation of paragraph 18 of the Stanhope Report (which does not apply to prison warders who joined the service since the date of the report) it does not appear to me that the point is a suitable one for arbitration, but I shall be glad to look into the effect of the decision in the light of present circumstances.