HL Deb 18 July 1911 vol 9 cc537-9

Order of the day for the House to be put into Committee, read.

LORD EVERSLEY

My Lords, in moving that the House do go into Committee on this Bill I wish to say a few words. In the first place, I desire to thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Alverstone, for so kindly giving up so much of his valuable time to presiding over the Committee which considered this Bill, and for assisting me in passing it. The Committee were practically unanimous on the Bill with the exception of one single point. That was an Amendment moved by Lord Clifford of Chudleigh for the purpose of enabling landowners to affix to ways which they did not intend to dedicate to the public notices to that effect, such notices to be conclusive that no dedication was intended. I understand that Lord Clifford's intention is to enable landowners to continue the user by the public of ways of this kind without at the same time going through the formality of closing the path from time to time in order to prevent the right growing. In that view I entirely concur. At the same time there is some little doubt whether the Amendment does not go rather further than the noble Lord intended, and my noble and learned friend Lord Robson found some difficulty in the proviso on this point. I do not propose at the present stage to take any exception to it. I have no doubt the whole Bill will be very carefully considered by the Government draftsman in another place, and I hope it may turn out that the objections of my noble and learned friend are not serious, and that the Bill will pass in its present form. I merely think it desirable to say to-night that it may be necessary hereafter to make a small Amendment in this clause. At the same time I am in general sympathy with the view of the noble Lord (Lord Clifford) on the subject, and I hope it may be possible for the clause to be passed in its present shape.

Moved, That the House do now resolve itself into Committee.—(Lord Eversley.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

House in Committee accordingly.

[The EARL OF DONOUGHMORE in the Chair.]

THE LORD CHAIRMAN

The first Question I have to put is that the Amendments proposed by the Select Committee be made.

On Question, Amendments proposed by the Select Committee made.

Clause 1 agreed to.

Clause 2:

Public use of way for twenty years conclusive that way is a public highway.

2. Where a way upon or over any land has been actually enjoyed by the public without interruption for a full period of twenty years, such way shall be deemed to have been dedicated as a public highway unless it shall appear that there is sufficient evidence arising during that period negativing the intention to dedicate such way, or unless during such period of twenty years there was not at any time any person in possession of such land or water capable of dedicating such way. And where such way has been enjoyed as aforesaid for a full period of forty years, such way shall be deemed conclusively to have been dedicated as a public highway unless there is sufficient evidence arising during that period negativing the intention to dedicate such way, and in either of the cases in this section mentioned, a notice by the owner of the land over which such way passes inconsistent with its dedication as a highway, placed and maintained in such a manner as to be visible to those using it, shall, in the absence of any proof of a contrary intention, be sufficient evidence to negative the intention to dedicate such way as a public highway: Provided that each of the respective periods of years mentioned in this section shall be deemed and taken to be the period next before the time when the right of the public to use a wav shall have been brought into question: Provided further that nothing in this section contained shall affect the incapacity of corporations or other bodies or persons in possession of land for public or statutory purposes to dedicate any such way where such way would be incompatible with such public or statutory purposes: Provided that in the case of any land let on lease the person for the time being entitled to the reversion shall, notwithstanding the existence of any such lease, have the right to cause such notice to be placed and maintained.

LORD EVERSLEY

I move to leave out the words "or water" ["or unless during such period of twenty years there was not at any time any person in possession of such land or water"]. This is an Amendment to carry out the intention of the noble Earl, Lord Camperdown. The words were omitted in Committee, but apparently the clerk did not take a note of it. The case is provided for by words which appear at the end of the clause.

Amendment moved— Page 1, line 14, leave out ("or water").—(Lord Eversley.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

LORD ALVERSTONE

I have a drafting Amendment, and in moving it I would take the opportunity of thanking the noble Lord for his kind reference to my small services in connection with this Bill. It is considered better for the purpose of drafting that the proviso at the end of the clause— Provided that in the case of any land let on lease the person for the time being entitled to the reversion shall, notwithstanding the existence of any such lease, have the right to cause such notice to be placed and maintained should be transposed and should come in after the words "public highway" ["shall, in the absence of any proof of a contrary intention, be sufficient evidence to negative the intention to dedicate such way as a public highway"].

Amendment moved— Page 1, line 25, after the word ("highway") insert the proviso appearing at the end of the clause.—[Lord Alverstone.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Consequential Amendment agreed to.

Clause 2, as amended, agreed to.

Remaining Clauses agreed to.

The Report of Amendments to be received To-morrow; Bill to be printed as amended. (No. 141.)