SECOND READING. (Hansard, 10 July 1888)

THE EARL OF CARNARVON
said, he was sorry to hear from the Prime Minister that the second Bill was involved in the fate of the first. He thought it would be a misfortune if this Bill failed to become law. He said so because he made a broad distinction between the two Bills. The Bill which dealt with the power of expulsion from that House was one which was intended to remedy 872 a distinct evil, and more than a distinct evil, a pressing evil. Of course, if the Business of the House of Commons was such that it was impossible to proceed with the measure, their Lordships had no option in the case. But he regretted it, because he believed that this Bill was one which was necessary, which was required by public opinion, and which could be perfectly justified upon its merits.

§ THE MARQUESS OF SALISBURY
I distinctly say that this Bill is only withdrawn because I am unable to push it through. It is not because I have any doubt about its principle, but because the powers of Obstruction are so tremendous in this case, and are wielded by so potent a hand, that I have no choice but to take this course.

THE EARL OF ROSEBERY
said, he did not know that the Obstruction applied to this Bill.

§ THE MARQUESS OF SALISBURY
Yes; to any reform of the House of Lords whatever.

THE EARL OF ROSEBERY
I do not think this can be called a reform.