HL Deb 27 April 1830 vol 24 cc68-9

Witnesses were examined at great length on this Bill. The cross-examination of one witness by Mr. Stevenson, who was (with Mr. Adam and Mr. Alderson) counsel for the petitioners against the Bill, occasioned

The Lord Chancellor

to object to a third counsel being employed, it being contrary to the general practice and rules of the House to allow more than two counsel to be engaged on a side on any private bill.

On this question a conversation of some length ensued.

The Marquis of Salisbury

supported the same view as the Lord Chancellor.

Lord Durham

supported the propriety of allowing the third counsel to be heard. This was a Bill of Pains and Penalties; it had assumed a great degree of political importance, in consequence of having occasioned a division of the Cabinet; it was supported by several of the Cabinet Ministers, and therefore he thought it was the duty of their Lordships to relax the rule, even if it were a rule which they generally followed. He did not know that the rule had never been deviated from; and in a case like that, it would be proper in their Lordships to give the petitioners a more than usual latitude. If he were to consent to Mr. Adam's pursuing that cross-examination, which Mr. Stevenson was conducting so ably as to call the attention of their Lordships to him, he should recognise the principle, that only two counsel could be employed. He would therefore move that their Lordships should then adjourn the further consideration of the question, in order to give time to examine whether or not it were a general rule of the House that only two counsel should be heard.

The Earl of Carnarvon

said, that he had no objection to the greatest latitude being given; all that he was afraid of was, the longitude of the case.

The Lord Chancellor

said, that in the cases of Penryn, Grampound and Barn-staple, two counsel only had appeared at the Bar of that House. He would move that only two counsel on behalf of the petitioners against the Bill should be heard.

Lord Durham moved, as an amendment, that the further consideration of the question should be adjourned.

The House divided—For the Lord Chancellor's Motion 10; Against it 3—Majority 7.

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