HC Deb 15 May 1969 vol 783 cc1631-4

The following Question stood upon the Order Paper

54. Sir KNOX CUNNINGHAM

To ask the Attorney-General what changes are being made in the Public Record Office to meet the increased interest in historical documents; and if he will make a statement.

Sir Knox Cunningham

I see that the right hon. and learned Gentleman is not present on the Government Front Bench. Perhaps he will be along soon.

Hon. Members

Where is he?

Sir Knox Cunningham

On a point of order—[Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. I am longing for points of order.

Sir Knox Cunningham

May I have your assurance, Mr. Speaker, that as the Attorney-General is not present now to answer my Question, I shall get an answer at 3.30, when the right hon. and learned Gentleman comes to the House?

Mr. Speaker

This has happened before and provision is made in the Standing Orders for this eventuality. If the Attorney-General arrives at 3.30 the hon. and learned Gentleman will be allowed to put his Question. Any more points of order?

Mr. Shinwell

Further to that point of order. Is it not the case that if members of the Conservative Party who put Questions on the Order Paper had the decency to attend the House—[Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. I want to hear the point of order.

Mr. Shinwell

If they had the decency to attend at the appropriate time, instead of attending to outside interests, then it would have been possible for the hon. and learned Member for Antrim, South (Sir Knox Cunningham) to receive a reply to this Question.

Mr. Speaker

Order. The right hon. Gentleman's point of order would carry some weight if all the absentees belonged to one side of the House. Unfortunately for his point of order, they do not.

Sir A. V. Harvey

Further to that point of order. If the right hon. Member for Easington (Mr. Shinwell) had been here during all of Question Time he would have known that a great number of his own colleagues were absent from the House.

Mr. Speaker

Order. I had already dealt with that matter, though perhaps less eloquently.

Mr. William Hamilton

Further to that point of order. It is quite right that there are Members on both sides who are absent—

Mr. Shinwell

More are absent on the other side.

Mr. Hamilton

We are about to pass legislation to ban unofficial strikes. I am wondering whether the legislation might apply to this House. Since it is quite clear that some—[Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. Noise does not help at all.

Mr. Hamilton

Since it is quite clear that some of the hon. Members who were absent are now present, would it be possible to go back on the Order Paper and give them an opportunity to ask the Questions that they were not here to ask earlier?

Mr. Speaker

Order. We live in the permissive society, but it is not as permissive as that. I want to help the House if I can. The Prime Minister is here——

Mr. Higgins

On a point of order. Mr. Speaker. May I ask Question No. 55?

Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

Mr. Speaker

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman.

Later

Mr. Speaker

We now return to Question No. 54.

The Attorney-General (Sir Elwyn Jones)

I greatly regret that I was not present when Question No. 54 was reached. I intended no discourtesy to the House. I apologise for this abberation on my part. Perhaps I shall be permitted to answer the Question now.

My noble Friend the Lord Chancellor announced in another place on 30th April that accommodation in Her Majesty's Land Registry in Lincoln's Inn Fields, which is no longer needed because of the establishment of District Land Registries, has been made available to the Public Record Office. Search rooms for 100 readers have been opened there and 15,000 feet of records, consisting of Cabinet and Foreign Office records, census returns and other intensively used records, are stored there. Additional space is available there for further search room and storage accommodation as need arises. The accommodation thus made available should meet the needs of the Public Record Office until the mid-seventies. Plans for longer-term needs are being actively pursued.

Mr. Speaker

Answers, even if late, should be reasonably brief.

Sir Knox Cunningham

I am grateful to the Attorney-General. May I sympathise with him for the Whips failing in their duty to keep him informed of the business of the House?

The Attorney-General

I accept full responsibility for my absence.

Mr. Murray

As more space is being made available for the Public Record Office, will more documents, such as the census of 1871, be made available to the public earlier?

The Attorney-General

I note my hon. Friend's point.