§ Mr. AttleeMay I ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what business it is proposed to take to-day if the Motion for the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule is carried?
§ Sir J. SimonI hope that with the co-operation of the House such progress will be made to-day as will ensure the Committee stage of the Civil Defence Bill being concluded to-morrow, All quarters of the House will realise the necessity of so doing.
§ Mr. BennI would like to ask when the Report stage of the Army Token Vote is to be taken, and whether the Minister of Labour will supply the House with details as to the manner of dealing with the civil liabilities of conscripts before the Report stage is asked for, in view of the fact that the Vote was put down on purpose that the House should understand the conditions under which the men were to serve?
§ Sir J. SimonI am told that the Report stage will not be taken just yet, and that there will be an opportunity of raising that question.
§ Mr. BennDoes that mean, therefore, thet the Military Training Bill will be enacted without the House of Commons
§ knowing what is being done about the allowances to conscripts?
§ Sir J. SimonI may not have followed this matter as closely as I should, but I will do my best to answer the questions of the right hon. Gentleman. I think I am right in saying that the provision to be made for civil liabilities to which he refers will be made by Order in Council and that the Order in Council scheme has already been explained to the House.
§ Mr. AttleeThe difficulty really arises from the fact that the Order in Council is not yet before us, and that there is grave anxiety to know what the provision will be under which the conscripts will be called up. One of the vital points, therefore, is with regard to dealing with civil liabilities. The matter has been discussed, but it is surely very undesirable that this anxiety should run on over Whitsun. Cannot a White Paper be issued in which we are told the general scheme how the civil liabilities will be dealt with?
§ Sir J. SimonThe best answer I can give is that I will consult my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour. As the men will not be called up until July, I do not think there will be all that difference. Anyhow, let me consult with my right hon. Friend.
§ Mr. AttleeAll these people have their arrangements to make, and they should know as early as possible.
§ Sir J. SimonCertainly.
§ Mr. GallacherIn view of the considerable time that is allowed for the Civil Defence Bill, will the Government agree to bring in a Bill to increase the amount of old age pensions?
§
Motion made, and Question put,
That the Proceedings on the Civil Defence Bill be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Sir J. Simon.]
§ The House divided: Ayes, 263; Noes, 141.
2101| Division No. 147.] | AYES. | [3.58 p.m. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. | Apsley, Lord | Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'h) |
| Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) | Assheton, R. | Beechman, N. A. |
| Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. | Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) | Bennett, Sir E. N. |
| Albery, Sir Irving | Baillie, Sir A. W. M. | Bernays, R. H. |
| Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) | Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. | Blair, Sir R. |
| Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir W. J. (Armagh) | Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thanet) | Bossom, A. C. |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. L. C. M. S. | Barrie, Sir C. C. | Boulton, W. W. |
| Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (So'h Univ's) | Baxter, A. Beverley | Bower, Comdr. R. T. |
| Anstruther-Gray, W. J. | Beauchamp, Sir B. C. | Boyce, H. Leslie |
| Bracken, B. | Guinness, T. L. E. B. | Perkins, W. R. D. |
| Brass, Sir W. | Hambro, A. V. | Peters, Dr. S. J. |
| Brocklebank, Sir Edmund | Hammersley, S. S. | Petherick, M. |
| Brooke, H. (Lewisham, W.) | Hannah, I. C. | Pickthorn, K. W. M. |
| Brown, Rt. Hon. E. (Leith) | Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) | Pilkington, R. |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) | Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) | Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton |
| Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) | Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. | Raikes, H. V. A. M. |
| Bull, B. B. | Hely-Hutchinson, M. R. | Ramsay, Captain A. H. M. |
| Burgin, Rt. Hon. E. L. | Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel A. P. | Ramsbotham, H. |
| Butcher, H. W. | Hepburn, P. G. T. Bushan- | Rankin, Sir R. |
| Campbell, Sir E. T. | Hepworth, J. | Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin) |
| Cartland, J. R. H. | Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) | Rawson, Sir Cooper |
| Carver, Major W. H. | Holdsworth, H. | Reed, A. C. (Exeter) |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Hopkinson, A. | Reed, Sir H. S. (Aylesbury) |
| Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) | Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. | Reid, W. Allan (Derby) |
| Cayzer, Sir H. R. (Portsmouth, S.) | Horsbrugh, Florence | Rickards, G. W. (Skipton) |
| Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) | Howitt, Dr. A. B. | Ropner, Colonel L. |
| Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) | Rosbotham, Sir T. |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n) | Hudson, Rt. Han. R. S. (Southport) | Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge) |
| Channon, H. | Hume, Sir G. H. | Rowlands, G. |
| Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) | Hunloke, H. P. | Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R. |
| Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) | Hunter, T. | Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A. |
| Chorlton, A. E. L. | Hurd, Sir P. A. | Russell, Sir Alexander |
| Christie, J. A. | Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir T. W. H. | Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | James, Wing-Commander A. W. H. | Salmon, Sir I. |
| Cobb, Captain E. C. (Preston) | Jarvis, Sir J. J. | Salt, E. W. |
| Colfox, Major W. P. | Jennings, R. | Samuel, M. R. A. |
| Colman, N. C. D. | Jones, Sir G. W. H. (S'k N'w'gt'n) | Sandeman, Sir N. S. |
| Colville, Rt. Hon. John | Jones, L. (Swansea W.) | Sanderson, Sir F. B. |
| Conant, Captain R. J. E. | Keeling, E. H. | Sandys, E. D. |
| Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) | Kellett, Major E. O. | Scott, Lord William |
| Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) | Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose) | Shakespeare, G. H. |
| Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S.G'gs) | Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) | Shute, Colonel Sir J. J. |
| Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) | Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.) | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. |
| Cox, H. B. Trevor | Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F. | Smiles, Lieut.-Colonel Sir W. D. |
| Craven-Ellis, W. | Lamb, Sir J. Q. | Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) |
| Critchley, A. | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. | Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen) |
| Crooke, Sir J. Smedley | Lancaster, Captain C. G. | Smithers, Sir W. |
| Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. | Latham, Sir P. | Snadden, W. McN. |
| Cross, R. H. | Law, R. K. (Hull, S.W.) | Somervell, Rt. Hon. Sir Donald |
| Crowder, J. F. E. | Leighton, Major B. E. P. | Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) |
| Cruddas, Col. B. | Levy, T. | Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J. |
| Culverwell, C. T. | Lewis, O. | Spears, Brigadier-General E. L. |
| Davison, Sir W. H. | Liddall, W. S. | Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd) |
| De Chair, S. S. | Lindsay, K. M. | Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.) |
| De la Bère, R. | Lipson, D. L. | Strauss, H. G. (Norwich) |
| Denman, Hon. R. D. | Little, J. | Stuart, Lord C. Crichton (N'thw'h) |
| Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. | Llewellin, Colonel J. J. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
| Dodd, J. S. | Lloyd, G. W. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F. |
| Dorman-Smith, Col. Rt. Hon. Sir R. H. | Locker-Lampson, Comdr. O. S. | Sutcliffe, H |
| Duckworth, Arthur (Shrewsbury) | Lyons, A. M. | Tats, Mavis C. |
| Dugdale, Captain T. L. | Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) | |
| Duggan, H. J. | M'Connell, Sir J. | Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.) |
| Thomas, J. P. L. | ||
| Dunean, J. A. L. | MaCorquodale, M. S. | Thorneycroft, G. E. P. |
| Dunglass, Lord | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. M. (Ross) | Thornton-Kemsley, C. N. |
| Eckersley, P. T. | Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) | Titchfield, Marquess of |
| Eden, Rt. Hon. A. | McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. | Tree A. R. L. F. |
| Edmondson, Major Sir J. | Macnamara, Lieut.-Colonel J. R. J. | Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C. |
| Ellis, Sir G. | Makins, Brigadier-General Sir Ernest | Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L. |
| Emery, J. F. | Manningham-Buller, Sir M. | Wakefield, W. W. |
| Emmott, C. E. G. C. | Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. | Walker-Smith, Sir J. |
| Emrys-Evans, P. V. | Markham, S. F. | Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan |
| Entwistle, Sir C. F. | Marsden, Commander A. | Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) |
| Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) | Maxwell, Hon. S. A. | Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend) |
| Everard, Sir William Lindsay | Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) | Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S. |
| Fildes, Sir H. | Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) | Watt, Lt.-Col. G. S. Harvie |
| Fleming, E. L. | Mitchell, H. (Brentford and Chiswick) | Wayland, Sir W. A. |
| Fox, Sir G. W. G. | Morris, O. T. (Cardiff, E.) | Wells, Sir Sydney |
| Furness, S. N. | Morris-Jones, Sir Henry | Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham) |
| Fyfe, D. P. M. | Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) | Williams, C. (Torquay) |
| Gluckstein, L. H. | Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) | Williams. H. G. (Creydon, S.) |
| Glyn, Major Sir R. G. C. | Nall, Sir J. | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Ead |
| Goldie, N. B. | Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H. | Womersley, Sir W. J |
| Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral) | Nicolson, Hon. H. G. | Wright, Wing-Commander J. A. C. |
| Grant-Ferris, Flight-Lieutenant R. | O'Connor, Sir Terence J. | York, C. |
| Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. | O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh | Young, A. S. L. (Partick) |
| Gretton, Col. Rt. Hon. J. | Palmer, G. E. H. | |
| Gridley, Sir A. B. | Patrick, C. M. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Grigg, Sir E. W. M. | Peake, O. | Mr. Munro and Captain Waterhouse. |
| Grimston, R. V. | Peat, C. U. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland, R. T. D. (Barnstaple) | Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) | Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. |
| Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) | Ammon, C. G. | Banfield, J. W. |
| Adamson, Jennie L. (Dartford) | Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) | Barnes, A. J. |
| Barr, J. | Hayday, A. | Quibell, D. J. K. |
| Batey, J. | Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) | Richards, R. (Wrexham) |
| Beaumont, H. (Batley) | Henderson, J. (Ardwick) | Ridley, G. |
| Bellenger, F. J. | Henderson, T. (Tradeston) | Riley, B. |
| Bonn, Rt. Hon. W. W. | Hills, A. (Pontefrast) | Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens) |
| Benson, G. | Jagger, J. | Rothschild, J. A. de |
| Bevan, A. | Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) | Sanders, W. S. |
| Broad, F. A. | Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) | Seely, Sir H. M. |
| Brown, C. (Mansfield) | John, W. | Sexton, T. M. |
| Burke, W. A. | Jones, A. C. (Shipley) | Shinwell, E. |
| Charlston, H. C. | Jones, Sir H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Silverman, S. S. |
| Cluse, W. S. | Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. | Simpson, F. B. |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R. | Kirby, B. V. | Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's) |
| Cocks, F. S. | Kirkwood, D. | Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe) |
| Collindridge, F. | Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. | Smith, E. (Stoke) |
| Cove, W. G. | Lathan, G. | Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly) |
| Daggar, G. | Lawson, J. J. | Smith, T. (Normanton) |
| Dalton, H. | Leash, W. | Sorensen, R. W. |
| Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) | Lee, F. | Stephen, C. |
| Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) | Leonard, W. | Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng) |
| Day, H. | Leslie, J. R. | Stokes, R. R. |
| Dobbie, W. | Logan, D. G. | Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.) |
| Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) | Lunn, W. | Summerskill, Dr. Edith |
| Ede, J. C. | Macdonald, G. (Ince) | Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth) |
| Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) | McEntee, V. La T. | Thorne, W. |
| Evans, D. O. (Cardigan) | McGhee, H. G. | Thurtle, E. |
| Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. | MacLaren, A. | Tinker, J. J. |
| Frankel, D. | Maclean, N. | Tomlinson, G. |
| Gallacher, W. | Mainwaring, W. H. | Viant, S. P. |
| Gardner, B. W. | Mander, G. le M. | Walker, J. |
| George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) | Maxton, J. | Watkins, F. C. |
| George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey) | Messer, F. | Watson, W. McL. |
| Gibson, R. (Greenock) | Milner, Major J. | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. J. C. |
| Green, W. H. (Deptford) | Montague, F. | Westwood, J. |
| Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. | Morgan, J. (York, W.R., Doncaster) | White, H. Graham |
| Grenfell, D. R. | Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) | Whiteley, W. (Blaydon) |
| Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) | Wilkinson, Ellen |
| Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) | Muff, G. | Williams, E. J. (Ogmore) |
| Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) | Noel-Baker, P. J. | Williams, T. (Don Valley) |
| Groves, T. E. | Paling, W. | Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe) |
| Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) | Pearson, A. | Windsor, W. (Hull, C.) |
| Hall, G. H. (Abardare) | Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W. | Woods, G. S. (Finsbury) |
| Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) | Poole, C. C. | |
| Hardie, Agnes | Price, M. P. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES— |
| Harris, Sir P. A. | Pritt, D. N. | Mr. Mathers and Mr. Adamson. |