§ Mr. LANSBURYMay I ask the Prime Minister what will be the business for the rest of the Session, and what is the object of the Motion which stands in his name on the Order Paper?
§ The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Ramsay MacDonald):The Motion to which the right hon. Gentleman refers is, I take it, the Motion relating to the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule. It is put down jist as a precautionary measure.
§ The business will be as follows:
§ Friday: Debate on the position of unemployed persons under the National Health Insurance Scheme. This was promised before the House rose.
§ Monday: Debate on a Motion of Censure to be tabled by the Leader of the Opposition, on the subject of Disarmament.
§ Tuesday: Remaining stages of the Local Government Bill (Lords), the British Nationality and Status of Aliens Bill (Lords), and the Protection of Birds Bill (Lords).
§ Wednesday: Consideration of Motions to approve the following Orders: Bacon (Import Regulation) Order, 1933; Sea- 178 fishing Industry (Regulation of Landing) Order, 1933; Additional Import Duties Orders Nos. 17, 18 and 19.
§ Thursday: Consideration of outstanding business and of any Lords Amendments which may be received from another place to the Road and Rail Traffic Bill and to any other Bills.
§ During the week it is proposed to consider Amendments to the Standing Orders which have been recommended by the Technical Committee appointed by Mr. Speaker. The Amendments, which are almost entirely of a drafting nature, will be on the Order Paper to-morrow.
§ It is anticipated that all outstanding business will be concluded in time to allow of Parliament being prorogued on Friday, 17th November. The new Session will be opened on Tuesday, 21st November.
§ Mr. BUCHANANMay I ask the Prime Minister two questions? First of all, with regard to the Debate on Friday, how is the Debate to be taken? Will it be on the Adjournment, or will there be a definite Motion on this question of unemployed persons? My second question is in connection with the Amendments to the Standing Orders. I would like to ask the Prime Minister whether it will be possible for anybody else to put down Amendments to the Standing Orders, or is that confined to this Committee; and will the right hon. Gentleman also state who will be in charge of the Amendments on behalf of the Government?
§ The PRIME MINISTERI understand that Amendments will be in order to the proposed Amendments which the House will discuss at a time to be arranged. The Leader of the House will be in charge of the principal Amendments. I ought to say, Mr. Speaker, that the question of Amendments is in your control, and not in anybody else's. The Debate on the National Health Insurance Scheme concerns the position of unemployed persons, and it was requested by the Opposition before the House adjourned for the Summer Recess. I understand that before the day a Motion will be put down on the subject in the name of the Leader of the Opposition.
§ Mr. MANDERDo I understand that the Protection of Birds Bill has been definitely taken up by the Government?
§ The PRIME MINISTERYes.
§ Mr. LANSBURYMay I ask you, Mr. Speaker, a question with regard to the consideration of the Standing Orders? I take it that we shall only be allowed to move Amendments to the Amendments that are being proposed, and that we cannot bring up fresh ones? That is the point on which I want to be clear.
§ Mr. BUCHANANThat is my point.
§ Mr. SPEAKERIt is rather difficult for me to rule on the matter before I see what it is proposed to do. If any Amendments are put before me, I shall have to consider whether they are in order or not.
§ Mr. LANSBURYI take it that it would be in order to put on the Paper other Amendments than those which are already being recommended by the Committee. It is rather important, because we may have quite a number of rather important Amendments which we should like to put down.
§ Mr. SPEAKERI see no objection whatever to Members putting down Amendments. Whether they are in order is another thing.
§ Mr. THORNEWill it be in order to put down Amendments to the Standing
§ Orders as to the time the House meets and adjourns?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe hon. Member can put them down.
§ Mr. BUCHANANWith regard to the Health Insurance Debate, will there be any opportunity of amending the Resolution? In other words, will it be put down in order that it may be amended if it is not satisfactory?
§ The PRIME MINISTERSo far as putting Amendments on the Paper is concerned, the ordinary Rules of the House will be followed.
§ Mr. BUCHANANI know that the ordinary Rules govern it, but it is almost impossible to amend a Resolution on the morning of the Debate,. I am asking whether there will be an opportunity to put down Amendments.
§ Mr. LANSBURYThe Resolution will be handed in to-night and will be on the Paper in the morning.
§
Motion made, and Question put,
That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)" —[The Prime Minister.]
§ The House divided: Ayes, 255; Noes, 41.
181| Division No. 295.] | AYES | [3.24 p.m. |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Castlereagh, Viscount | Elmley, Viscount |
| Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) | Cautley. Sir Henry S. | Emmott, Charles E. 0. C. |
| Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. | Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Emrys-Evans, P. V. |
| Albery, Irving James | Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric | Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) |
| Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) | Chotzner, Alfred James | Essenhigh, Reginald Clare |
| Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick Wolfe | Clarke, Frank | Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, S.) |
| Bailey, Eric Alfred George | Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) |
| Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. | Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey | Everard, W. Lindsay |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. | Falie, Sir Bertram G. |
| Balniel, Lord | Cook, Thomas A. | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst |
| Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell | Cooper, A. Duff | Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) |
| Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley | Copeland, Ida | Fremantle, Sir Francis |
| Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel | Courtauld, Major John Sewell | Ganzoni, Sir John |
| Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B. | Crooke, J. Smedley | Gauit, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton |
| Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman | Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Blindell, James | Cross, R. H. | Gledhill, Gilbert |
| Borodale, Viscount. | Crossley, A. C. | Glossop, C. W. H. |
| Bossom, A. C. | Culverwell, Cyril Tom | Gluckstein, Louis Halls |
| Boulton, W. W. | Curry, A. C. | Glyn, Major Ralph G. C. |
| Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. | Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) | Goff, Sir Park |
| Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) | Davison, Sir William Henry | Goldie, Noel B. |
| Briscoe, Capt. Richard George | Dawson, Sir Philip | Goodman, Colonel Albert W. |
| Broadbent, Colonel John | Denman, Hon. R. D. | Graham, Sir F. Fergus (C'mb'rl'd, N.) |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. | Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas |
| Brown, Ernest (Leith) | Doran, Edward | Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John |
| Browne, Captain A. C. | Dower, Captain A. V. G. | Gunston, Captain D. W. |
| Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. | Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel | Guy, J. C. Morrison |
| Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie | Duggan, Hubert John | Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. |
| Burnett, John George | Dunglass, Lord | Hamilton. Sir R. W. (Orkney & Zetl'nd) |
| Caine, G. R. Hall- | Eady, George H. | Hanley, Dennis A. |
| Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brinly) | Eden, Robert Anthony | Hannon. Patrick Joseph Henry |
| Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm | Edmondson, Major A. J. | Harbord, Arthur |
| Caporn, Arthur Cecil | Elliot, Rt. Hon. Walter | Harris, Sir Percy |
| Hartland, George A. | Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest | Savery, Samuel Servington |
| Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) | Mander, Geoffrey le M. | Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. |
| Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) | Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. | Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) |
| Heilgers, Captain F. F. A, | Martin, Thomas B. | Shepperson. Sir Ernest W. |
| Hepworth, Joseph | Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.) | Shute, Colonel J. J. |
| Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division) | Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John |
| Holdsworth, Herbert | Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) | Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness) |
| Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) | Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) |
| Hornby, Frank | Milne, Charles | Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield. Hallam) |
| Horsbrugh, Florence | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Smith. R. W. (Aberd'n & Klnc'dlne. C. |
| Howard, Tom Forrest | Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres | Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) |
| Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. | Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr) | Soper, Richard |
| Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.). | Morris, John Patrick (Salford, N.) | Southby, Commander Archibald R. J |
| Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) | Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J. | Spencer. Captain Richard A. |
| Hume, Sir George Hopwood | Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. | Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. |
| Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) | Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) | Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde) |
| Hurd, Sir Percy | Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld) | Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland) |
| Hurst, Sir Gerald B. | Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid | Stevenson, James |
| Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) | Nunn. William | Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.) |
| James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. | Oman, Sir Charles William C. | Stewart, William J. (Belfast, S.) |
| Joel, Dudley J. Barnato | Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A. | Stones, James |
| Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) | Palmer, Francis Noel | Storey, Samuel |
| Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) | Pearson. William G. | Stourton, Hon. John J. |
| Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) | Peat, Charles U. | Strickland. Captain W. F. |
| Ker, J. Campbell | Percy, Lord Eustace | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F. |
| Kerr, Hamilton W. | Petherick, M. | Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart |
| Knight, Holford | Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Bilston) | Sutcliffe. Harold |
| Knox, Sir Alfred | Pickering. Ernest H. | Tate, Mavis Constance |
| Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton | Pike, Cecil F. | Taylor, Vice-Admiral E.A.(P'dd'gt'n,S.) |
| Lambert, Rt. Hon. George | Pownall, Sir Assheton | Templeton. William P. |
| Law, Richard K. (Hull, S.W.) | Procter, Major Henry Adam | Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) |
| Leckie. J. A. | Pybus, Percy John | Todd. A. L. S. (Kingswinford) |
| Lees-Jones, John | Ramsay, Alexander (W. Bromwich) | Tryon. Rt. Hon. George Clement |
| Leigh, Sir John | Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) | Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) |
| Leighton. Major B. E. P. | Rankin, Robert | Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend) |
| Lennox-Boyd, A. T. | Rawson. Sir Cooper | Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock) |
| Levy, Thomas | Rea, Walter Russell | Warrender, Sir Victor A. G. |
| Lewis, Oswald | Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) | Watt, Captain George Steven H. |
| Liddall. Walter S. | Reld, James S. C. (Stirling) | White. Henry Graham |
| Lindsay, Kenneth Martin (Kilm'rnock) | Reld, William Allan (Derby) | Whiteside. Borras Noel H. |
| Lister. Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- | Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) | Whyte. Jardine Bell |
| Lloyd. Geoffrey | Runge. Norah Cecil | Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay) |
| Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'ndsw'th) | Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) | Williams. Herbert G. (Croydon, S.) |
| Loder, Captain J. de Vere | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) | Wills, Wilfrid D |
| Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. | Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tsldel | Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir Arnold (Hertf'd) |
| Mabane, William | Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) | Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.) |
| MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G.(Partick) | Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l) | Windsor-Clive. Lieut.-Colonel George |
| MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) | Salmon, Sir Isidore | Womersley, Walter James |
| MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) | Salt, Edward W. | Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley |
| Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) | Samuel. Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) | Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff) |
| McKie. John Hamilton | Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart | |
| McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) | Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Magnay, Thomas | Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. | Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny. |
| NOES | ||
| Banfield, John William | Hicks, Ernest George | Owen. Major Goronwy |
| Brown. C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) | Hirst. George Henry | Parkinson, John Allen |
| Buchanan, George | Jenkins, Sir William | Price. Gabriel |
| Cape, Thomas | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Smith, Tom (Normanton) |
| Cove. William G. | Kirkwood. David | Thorne, William James |
| Daggar, George | Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George | Tinker, John Josiah |
| Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) | Lawson, John James | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Davies. Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Leonard, William | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Edwards, Charles | Logan, David Gilbert | Williams, Edward John (Ogmore) |
| George. Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) | Lunn. William | Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly) |
| Graham. D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) | Wilmot, John Charles |
| Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) | McEntee, Valentine L. | |
| Griffiths. T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | McGovern. John | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Grundy. Thomas W. | Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) | Mr. John and Mr. Groves. |
| Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Maxton, James. |