HC Deb 11 May 1885 vol 298 cc165-6
MR. PERCY WYNDHAM

I should like to ask the Prime Minister, Whether Suakin does not constitute a portion of the Dominions of the Sultan of Turkey; and, if that is so, whether it would not, in his opinion, be a gross breach of public law to invite any other Foreign Power?

MR. SPEAKER

The hon. Gentleman is clearly entering upon matter of debate.

MR. GLADSTONE

The external lines of the Egyptian Dominions are not always very nicely formed; but I think there is no doubt that Suakin is conceived to be within the Dominions of the Sultan.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

With reference to the answer given by the Prime Minister just now, might I ask him whether any single one of those causes of anxiety which existed at the time when he asked the House to vote £11,000,000 of money is still in existence?

MR. GLADSTONE

It appears to me that that is also a question for debate. Suppose I were able to answer my hon. Friend that none of these causes were in existence—suppose, for argument's sake, I was able to make that answer, and certainly I think it would be highly imprudent for me to go so far—he would still have to face the question that a considerable part of the charge has been spent.

MR. LEWIS

Would the right hon. Gentleman pardon me for asking whether the Papers would contain the exact terms of the reference?

MR. GLADSTONE

I do not doubt at all that they will contain the exact terms of the reference.

MR. GREGORY

I beg to ask the noble Lord the Secretary of State for War, whether the retention of Suakin and district involves the protection of the friendly Natives?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

Of course, the same instructions as I referred to with regard to the friendly Natives on the Nile will hold with regard to those at Suakin.

COLONEL KING-HARMAN

asked as to where the friendly Natives would be brought to?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

I am afraid I am not in a position yet to say.

MR. ONSLOW

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether Russia has given to Her Majesty's Government any guarantee that when the boundary is once fixed, she will not overstep that boundary? [Cries of "No, no!"]

[No reply.]

MR. HENEAGE

wished to know whether the noble Lord could give any information as to the disposition of the troops under General Graham; and whether the whole or part would be withdrawn, and when?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

I thought I said that I was not able at present to state exactly what would be done at Suakin, what positions would have to be occupied, and whether any position outside Suakin would have to be occupied. I am unable to say how far it will be possible.

MR. O'KELLY

Can the noble Lord undertake to issue instructions to General Graham not to make any more raids in defence of this railway which is now to be abandoned until such times as the Government shall come to a final decision?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON

I stated the other day the view which I took of the operations of General Graham. I have nothing further to say as to what operations may be considered necessary for the purpose of adequately defending Suakin.