HC Deb 30 April 1885 vol 297 cc1256-8

Order read, for resuming Adjourned Debate on Question [24th April],"That the Select Committee on Industries (Ireland) do consist of Twenty-four Members."

Question again proposed. Debate resumed.

MR. SHEIL

said, he had an Amendment on the Paper to move that the Select Committee do consist of 25 Members, and that Mr. Kenny be one other Member to serve on the Committee. He presumed, however, that he would be out of Order in moving that Amendment, as he had already spoken in the debate before it was adjourned.

SIR EARDLET WILMOT

I move that the Committee do consist of 24 Members.

MR. SHEIL

said, that the Amendment which stood in his name he had already spoken to, and his hon. Friend the Member for Cork (Mr. Parnell) had addressed the House upon it, at some considerable length. They had understood the other day from Her Majesty's Government that they were determined in no way to give to Irish Members the small concession they asked for—namely, to allow them an addition of one Member on the Committee; and, that being the case, it was the determination of the Irish Party to in no way agree to the appointment of the Committee. Considering the nature of the Committee, six Members to represent the Irish Party was an exceedingly small number. He begged leave to move his Amendment, upon which he should have to take the sense of the House.

Amendment proposed, to leave out the words "Twenty-four," in order to insert the words "Twenty-five,"—(Mr. Sheil,)—instead thereof.

Question proposed, "That the words 'Twenty-four' stand part of the Question."

MR. CHAMBERLAIN

said, he thought the hon. Gentleman who had moved the Amendment was under a misapprehension when he attributed to the Government resistance to the desire expressed by the Irish Members. On the contrary, they had felt that the matter was one for fair discussion. It appeared to them that the representation already offered to the Irish Members was, on the whole, a sufficient representation; but, inasmuch as there was a feeling among hon. Gentlemen opposite that their number of Representatives should be increased, the Government would offer no further objection to their wishes.

MR. HEALY

said, that, in thanking the right hon. Gentleman for this announcement, he could not help making a contrast between the way in which he had met them and the way in which they were met the other night by the Home Secretary.

Question put, and negatived.

Question, "That the words 'Twenty-five' be there inserted," put, and agreed to.

Main Question, as amended, put.

Ordered, That the Select Committee do consist of Twenty-five Members:—Committee nominated of,—Mr. TREYELYAN, Mr. WILLIAM HENRY SMITH, Mr. SYDNEY BUXTON, Mr. CORKY, Mr. WOODALL, Colonel KING-HARMAN, Dr. LYONS, Sir HERVEY FURCE, Mr. WHITWORTH, Mr. JUSTIN M'CARTHY, Mr. THOMAS DICKSON, Colonel NOLAN, Mr. CROPPER, Mr. PARNELL, Mr. SAMPSON LLOYD, Mr. ARMITSTEAD, Mr. SEXTON, Mr. EWART, Mr. LEAKE, Mr. JACKSON, Captain AYLMER, Mr. RATHBONE, Mr. MOLLOY, Sir EARDLEY WILMOT, and Mr. KENNY:—Power to send for persons, papers and records; Five to be the quorum.

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