HC Deb 15 May 1884 vol 288 cc429-30
MR. BIGGAR (for Mr. ARTHUR O'CONNOR)

asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Whether the following statements are correct:—There are in Ireland twenty-four certified Industrial Schools for Girls and four for Boys in connection with National Schools; these National Schools are inspected by the District Inspector of the National Board, who examine for results, but the result fees are withheld in respect of the Industrial School children; the teachers are not paid by the State as in Workhouses both in England and Ireland; the teachers in these schools are the only teachers deprived of result fees in respect of children taught by them; whether repeated representations have been made to the Government on these points by the Inspector of Reformatory and Industrial Schools; and, whether the Government propose to consider these representations?

MR. TREVELYAN

The facts are as stated with regard to the connection of a number of industrial schools with the National Board and non-payment of the teachers of those schools by the Board. The reason of such non-payment is that when industrial school pupils are admitted to national schools it is on the understanding that their education is paid for in the Government grant, administered by the Industrial School Department; in other words, their teachers are provided and remunerated by the industrial school managers. I am aware that Sir John Lentaigne has reported that some managers complain of this arrangement, and that he himself urges that, with the view of securing the benefits to education arising from periodical examinations, result fees should be paid in the case of these children. But the Government have not, up to the present, seen their way to comply with this recommendation, and I cannot undertake that they will do so.