HC Deb 10 May 1867 vol 187 cc373-4
CAPTAIN VIVIAN

said, he would beg to appeal to the right hon. Member for Inverness-shire (Mr. Henry Baillie) not to proceed with the Motion of which he had given notice, for a Select Committee to inquire into the management and organization of the War Department. The question was a very important one, and would involve considerable discussion. He had asked the Secretary of State for War for the Report of the Committee that sat last year on the Transport of the Army, and as that inquiry was most directly involved in, and connected with, the subject proposed to be brought forward by the right hon. Gentleman, he thought it would be impossible to debate the question properly till that Report was upon the table of the House.

SIR JOHN PAKINGTON

said, he must join in the appeal, as it was almost impossible to conduct the inquiry profitably so late in the Session. The Report referred to by his hon. and gallant Friend (Captain Vivian) would seriously affect not less than seven of the twelve branches of the War Department; and without expressing any opinion as to the desirability of the investigation at some future time, it would be almost impossible this Session to carry through an inquiry which, to have any effect, must be very extensive.

MR. HENRY BAILLIE

said, he was quite ignorant as to the nature of the Report alluded to, or of the departments to which it related, and before he made any reply to the appeal he wished to know whether the Report had any reference to the Ordnance Department, which the question of which he had given notice affected particularly. He did not like to take any course which should seem discourteous to the right hon. Gentleman, and he should therefore be very much disposed to accede to his suggestion.

SIR JOHN PAKINGTON

said, that the seven branches of the War Office to which the Report more or less directly referred, were the Ordnance, Stores, Commissariat, Purveyors, Barracks, Contracts, and Accountant General.

GENERAL DUNNE

said, he thought it advisable that his right hon. Friend should not proceed with his Motion that night; but, at the same time, it should be remembered that every nation in Europe was now re-organizing its military system, and there was no country which wanted military re-organization more than this.

MR. HERBERT

said, he rose to call attention to the recruiting orders of Her Majesty's regiment of Foot Guards.

SIR JOHN PAKINGTON

said, the Notice stood for the Army Estimates, and as those Estimates were not coming on he was not prepared to meet the hon. Member's Motion.