ST. PANCRAS PAVING BILL. (Hansard, 26 February 1836)

§ Sir S. Whalley
moved the second reading of the St. Pancras Paving Bill.

§ Mr. Tooke
rose to move, as an amendment, that "six months" be substituted for the word "now." The Bill purported to have the effect of consolidating the Boards; it would have no such effect. On the contrary, it would have the effect of placing the Government of the parish, as regarded the pavements, in the hands of persons who were not calculated, either by their knowledge or property, to give confidence to the parish, The persons who urged forward this Bill had promoted a species of civil war among themselves; and they had endeavoured to excite the like feeling among the inhabitants generally. The parties had not the confidence of the inhabitants; on the contrary, nine- 940 tenths of the property and occupiers of the parish were decidedly against the Bill.

§ Mr. Hume
strongly supported the Bill, and expressed his astonishment that his hon. Friend, who was once so decided a Reformer, should resist this Bill, and on. grounds that used to be adopted by all those who were against salutary reforms, and all measures calculated to place in the hands of the people the management of their own affairs. As to the statements that had been made against the Bill, he must take the liberty of saying that there was scarcely one of them that was consistent with the truth. It would be satisfactory to know, more explicitly, what became of the money that was raised. Owing to the division of trusts, there were many places wholly without lights, though though they were paid for; what became of the money? At present there were nineteen trusts, and, of course, nineteen lawyers and nineteen clerks attendant thereupon, and 1,100 Commissioners. Surely benefit and saving must result from the consolidation of these several Boards, &c. As to the civil war that had been mentioned, that would be put an end to at the nest election. The people at present had no control over the Boards. The expense of the Boards was 6,000l.; one-fourth would be sufficient. He hoped that the House would allow the Bill to be read a second time; in the Committee, any matters of detail that were deemed objectionable could be corrected. He most cordially seconded the second reading,

§ Mr. Wilks
contended that the contemplated change would be attended with flagrant injustice, and referred to the failure of two former attempts of these parties to obtain the Bill now before the House. The cost of those experiments had been most improperly taken by the vestry out of the poor-rates. He was sure that the affairs of the parish could not be better conducted than by the Boards as at present constituted, and he hoped that this Bill would be thrown out by such a majority as to deter the parties promoting it from again annoying the House by a fresh application.

§ Sir S. Whalley
said, that the consolidation of the Boards must necessarily lead to a diminution of expense, and a saving of the parish money. While the measure would give the people, which they had not at present, a control over their own affairs.

List of the AYES.
Agtionby, H. A.	Langton, W. G.
Ball, N.	Leader, J. T.
Bagshaw, J.	Lennox, Lord G.
Baines, E.	Lennox, Lord A.
Barnard, E. G.	Lister, E. C.
Beauclerk, Major	Loch, J.
Bellew, R.	Lushington, C.
Benett, J.	Mackenzie, J. A. S.
Berntinck, Lord G.	Mangles, J.
Biddulph, R.	Marshall, W.
Bish, T.	Marsland, H.
BLackburne, J. L	Maule, F.
Bodkin, J.	Morrison, J.
Bowes, J.	Murray, Rt. Hon. J. A.
Bowring, Dr.	O'Connell, D.
Brady, D. C.	O'Connell, J.
Bridgeman, R.	O'Connell, Maurice
Brotherton, J.	O'Connell, M. J.
Buller, C.	O'Connell, Morgan
Butler, Colonel	O'Conor, Don
Callaghan, D.	Ord, W. H.
Campbell, W.	Ord, W.
Cayley, E.	Oswald, J.
Chalmers, P.	Parker, J.
Chichester, J.	Parrott, J.
Childers,—	Pechell, Captain
Clay, W.	Pendarves, E.
Codrington, Sir E.	Philips, G.
Conyngham, Lord A.	Potter, R.
Crawford, W. S.	Poulter, J. S.
Curteis, H. B.	Poyntz, W. S.
Dillwyn, L. W.	Price, Sir R.
Divett, E.	Roche, W.
Duncombe, T.	Roche, D.
Dundas, J.	Ruthven, E. S.
Elphinstone, H.	Ruthven, E.
Evans, G.	Sanford, E. A.
Ewart, W.	Scholefield, J.
Fergus, J.	Seale, Colonel
Finn, W. F.	Seymour, Lord
Fitzsimon, N.	Sheil, R. L.
Gaskell, J. M.	Stanley, E.
Gillon, W. D.	Steuart, R.
Gisborne, T.	Stewart, P.
Grattan, H.	Strickland, Sir G.
Grey, Sir G.	Strutt, E.
Guest, J. J.	Talbot, J.
Grote, G.	Tancred, H. W.
Harland, W. C.	Thomson, P. B.
Harvey, D. W.	Thompson, W.
Hawes, B.	Thompson, T. P.
Hawkins, J. H.	Thornley, T.
Hay, Sir A. L.	Trelawney, Sir W.
Hindley, C.	Tulk, C. A.
Hodges, T.	Vivian, J. H.
Hoskins, K.	Wakley, T.
Humphery, J.	Walker, C.
Hutt, W.	Walker, R.
Jervis, J.	Wallace, R.
Kemp, T. R.	Warburton, H.
Labouchere, H.	Ward, H. G.
Lambton, H.	Wason, R.

White, S.	Wood, M.
Williams, W.	Wrottesley, Sir J.
Williams, A.	TELLERS.
Winnington, Sir T.	Hume, J.
Winnington, H.	Whalley, Sir S.

List of the NOES.
Agnew, Sir A.	Hogg, J. W.
Alsager, Captain	Hope, H.
Arbuthnot, Hon. H.	Houldsworth, T.
Archdall, M.	Hughes, W. Hughes
Bagot, Hon. W.	Ingham, R.
Barclay, D.	Inglis, Sir R.
Barclay, C.	Irton, S.
Baring, F.	Kearsley, H. J.
Baring, T.	Kerrison, Sir E.
Beckett, Sir J.	Knatchbull, Sir E.
Bell, M.	Knight, H. G.
Blackstone, W. S.	Knightley, Sir C.
Bonham, F. R.	Law, Hon. C. E.
Borthwick, P.	Lawson, A.
Bradshaw, J.	Lees, J. F.
Bramston, T. W.	Lincoln, Earl of
Brocklehurst, J.	Longfield, R.
Bruce, C.	Lucas, E.
Brudenell, Lord	Lygon, Colonel
Buller, Sir J.	Mackinnon, T.
Burrell, Sir C.	Marsland, T.
Buxton, T. F.	Maunsell, T. P.
Calcraft, J. H.	Miles, W.
Campbell, Sir H. P.	Mosley, Sir O.
Chaplin, T.	Nicholl, J.
Chapman, A.	Norreys, Lord
Chisholm, A.	Packe, C. W.
Clerk, Sir G.	Palmer, R.
Clive, Hon. R.	Patten, J. W.
Conolly, Colonel	Peel, W.
Coote, Sir C.	Perceval, Colonel
Crawford, W.	Pollington, Lord
Crewe, Sir G.	Powell, Colonel W.
Damer, Hon. G. D.	Price, S.
Dottin, A. R.	Price, R.
Dugdale, W.S.	Pringle, A.
Duncombe, A.	Pusey, P.
Eastnor, Lord	Rae, Sir W.
Egerton, W.	Reid, Sir J. R.
Egerton, Lord F.	Ridley, Sir M.
Elley, Sir J.	Ross, C.
Elwes, J. P.	Rushbrooke, R.
Entwisle, J.	Russell, C.
Fector, J. M.	Sandon, Lord
Feilden, W.	Scott, Sir E.
Fielden, J.	Sibthorp, Colonel
Forbes, W.	Sinclair, Sir G.
Forester, G. C. W.	Smyth, Sir H.
Fremantle, Sir T.	Somerset, Lord E.
Gordon, R.	Somerset, Lord G.
Goring, H. D.	Stanley, Lord
Goulburn, Rt. Hon. H.	Stanley, E.
Graham, Sir J.	Stormont, Viscount
Greene, T. G.	Surrey, Earl of
Halford, H.	Thomas, H.
Hardinge, Sir H.	Trench, Sir F.
Hardy, J.	Trevor, A.
Hayes, Sir E.	Trevor, R.
Henniker, Lord	Verner, Colonel
Herbert, Hon. S.	Vesey, Hon. T.

Vyvyan, Sir R.	Wyndham, W.
Welby, G. E.	Young, J.
Weyland, R.	TELLERS.
Wilbraham, Hon. R.	Tooke, W.
Wortley, Hon. J.	Wilks, J.