Ministers and Department for Transport officials meet regularly with representatives of the Office of Rail Regulation to discuss a variety of topics. No meetings were held specifically on the issue of changes to proposed punctuality targets on the East Coast and West Coast main lines, but this was discussed during the course of a number of meetings with ORR in the run-up to the publication of its Final Determination. Public Performance Measure (PPM) and Cancellation and Significant Lateness (CaSL) are both punctuality targets. The new CaSL targets for the long distances services on the East Coast and West Coast main lines have been toughened and are more stretching than their corresponding reduced PPM target. This will mean that passengers taking longer journeys will benefit from fewer cancelled or significantly late services.