HC Deb 22 October 1973 vol 861 cc390-2W
Mr. Meacher

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what he estimates have been the net post-tax profits, after depreciation allowances, accruing to private industry for each year since 1946 from respectively gross fixed capital formation and purchases of goods and services by nationalised industries;

(2) what he estimates has been the annual addition to rentier incomes and private profits directly due to the operation of the nationalised industries for each year since 1950; and what he estimates has been the direct subsidisation of the private sector due to selling nationalised industry products below the real cost of production.

Mr. Nott

No estimates can be made along the lines requested for private sector profits or for private investment incomes. In general, firms do not separate how much profit is attributable to a particular element of turnover such as sales to nationalised industries. Interest payments by public corporations are mostly to the central Government, and the effect on private investment incomes of public—rather than private—ownership of industry is mainly to change the composition, rather than the amount, of the income flow arising from private holdings of both public sector and private sector debt.

In order to answer the latter part of the hon. Gentleman's second Question, it would be necessary to define what is meant by the "real cost of production". As a broad indication, the table below shows for years since 1950 the amount of subsidies from the central Government to nationalised industries, and the net amount of debt written off. The larger part of the subsidies and write-offs has arisen from difficulties in specific sectors, for example, the level of demand for railway services, and not from products being sold below their cost of production.

NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES
£ million
Subsidies Write-off of debt (net)
1950 7
1951 4
1952 1
1953 2
1954 4

£ million
Subsidies Write-off of debt (net)
1955
1956
1957
1958
1959
1960 115
1961 137
1962 140
1963 135 432
1964 122
1965 138 525
1966 143
1967 174
1968 180 10
1969 124 1,258
1970 104 255
1971 94
1972 309 350

Notes:

1. Figures relate to the nationalised industries only and exclude other public corporations.

2. Subsidies are those specific to the nationalised industries only and exclude items, such as employment premiums and bus fuel grants, which are also available to the private sector.

3. The figures exclude the £42 million special Brant paid to British Rail in 1972–73 to cover their cash flow shortfall.

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