HC Deb 05 November 1987 vol 121 cc826-9W
Mr. Alex Carlile

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the current grades and pay scales of forensic scientists employed by his Department; how many scientists are employed at each grade; if he has any proposals to increase the pay scales; and if he will make a statement.

Mr. Hurd

The current grades, numbers in grades, and pay scales of scientific staff in the forensic science service are as follows:

Grade Numbers in grade as at 12 October 1987 Current pay scale £
4 1 28,975
29,725
30,475
5 5 24,765
25,815
26,965
28,215
6 8 18,786
19,685
21,335
23,185
25,335
7 53 15,030
15,630
16,280
16,980
17,730
18,530
19,380
119,500
20,292
1Interim point from 1 October 1987: Staff on this point proceed to maximum of unified grade 7 (£20,292) on 1 April 1988. From 1 April 1988 there will be accelerated incremental progression for the best performers and for those in grades SO grade 4 who have reached their scale maximum additional increments will be available to reward outstanding or otherwise specially deserving performance.

Grade Number in grade Pay scale from 1 September 1987 Revised pay scale from 1 April 1988
Senior Scientific Officer (SSO) 124.5 11,557 12,024
12,024 12,505
12,505 13,005
13,005 13,526
13,526 14,066
14,066 14,629
14,629 15,214
15,214 15,823
Higher Scientific Officer (HSO) 97.5 9,219 9,687
9,687 10,154
10,154 10,622
10,622 11,089
11,089 11,557
11,557 12,024
12,024 12,505
12,505 13,005
Scientific Officer (SO) 125 7,816 8,284
8,284 8,751
8,751 9,219
9,219 9,687
9,687 10,154
10,154 10,622
Assistant Scientific Officer (ASO) 57.5 4,004 4,004
4,585 4,585
5,250 5,250
5,618 6,011
6,431 6,881

Grade Number in grade Pay scale from 1 September 1987 Revised pay scale from 1 April 1988
6,881 7,349
7,349 7,816
7,816

Mr. Alex Carlile

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has any proposals to increase the establishment of forensic scientists employed by his Department; and if he will make a statement.

Mr. Douglas Hogg

My right hon. Friend is considering an increase in the complement of the forensic science service to improve turn-round times and to provide new services. But 49 per cent. of the cost of the forensic science service is borne by police authorities and we shall therefore wish to consult them before reaching final decisions.

Mr. Alex Carlile

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the recruitment policy of his Department's forensic science service.

Mr. Douglas Hogg

The Department's policy is to recruit suitably qualified staff to maintain the complement of the service. Staff in the scientific grades above assistant scientific officer are recruited on behalf of the Department by the Civil Service Commission in accordance with the principles of fair and open competition. The directors of forensic science laboratories have delegated authority from the Department to recruit assistant scientific officers locally, when vacancies arise, in accordance with these principles.

Mr. Alex Carlile

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the current average period of delay between the submission of samples by the Metropolitan police for examination at the Metropolitan police forensic science laboratory and the provision of the results of such examination; what were the corresponding periods for 1984, 1985 and 1986; and if he will make a statement.

Mr. Douglas Hogg

I understand from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis that the relevant figures for 1984 and 1987 are as follows:

1984 Days 1987 Days
Chemistry (Criminalistics) 45 65
Biology 28 41
Chemistry (Drugs possession) 28 140
Chemistry (Toxicology) 21 21
Firearms 58 70
Document examination 70 70
Drink driving 2 to 3 2 to 3

The above figures conceal wide variations, since the time taken to deal with cases varies according to the complexity of the case. Figures for 1985 and 1986 are not readily available.

Mr. Alex Carlile

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many forensic scientists are employed currently by the Metropolitan police and his Department, respectively; and what were the corresponding figures for 1984, 1985 and 1986.

Mr. Douglas Hogg

The information requested is as follows:

Date Number of staff in post
Forensic scientists in the Home Office
1984—Figures not readily available
31 December 1985 480
31 December 1986 469
12 October 1987 471.5
Forensic scientists in the Metropolitan police
31 January 1984 211
31 January 1985 204
31 January 1986 204.5
31 January 1987 199.5
31 October 1987 195.5

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