§ 40. Mr. Leadbitterasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, what proposals she has for improving the teachers' pay negotiating machinery.
§ Mr. Arthur Lewisasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will take steps to abolish the Burnham Committee system, so as to enable her to provide salaries for teachers comparable with those paid to judges, chairmen of nationalised boards, and higher-paid civil servants.
§ Mrs. ThatcherI have no present proposals for changing or replacing the present machinery.
§ Mr. Arthur Lewisasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she is aware that the teachers have expressed opposition to their present salary scales, and the proposed increases, and are now giving consideration to a strike; and what action she proposes to take to prevent such an industrial dispute, by requesting her representatives on the Burnham Committee to press for an increased salary award.
§ Mrs. ThatcherIn the event of a deadlock in the Burnham Committee, the arrangements provide for arbitration on the recommendation of the independent Chairman. The management and teachers' panels have both been invited by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Employment to submit names for the arbitral body.
§ Mr. Arthur Lewisasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a detailed statement giving the stated category of teacher in each grade of employment and their qualifications in the various categories with the salaries paid in 1965, the salary needed to keep up with the rise in prices and cost of living at that time, and similar details for 1967 and to date; to what extent these figures 421W would be adjusted if the Burnham management offer of 8 per cent. were accepted by the teachers; and whether she will make a statement.
§ Mr. van StraubenzeeThe available information is published in Vol. 4 of Statistics of Education, the document Scales of Salaries for Teachers in Primary and Secondary Schools, England and Wales, and the Department of Employment Gazette.
§ Mr. Arthur Lewisasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT as much detailed information as may be readily available giving particulars as to the total inclusive costs, including students' grants, &c., of training a teacher to an accepted qualified status; how long on average such training takes; what salary such a man/woman receives on appointment; how many such teachers have resigned in the first to tenth year after qualification and appointment to take up employment outside teaching; and how many of these gave as reasons for resignation the low salaries which they received.
§ Mr. van StraubenzeeFollowing is the information available:
Training
1. Annual costs of training (excluding student grant):
Tuition Board £ £ Voluntary colleges of education 457 292 Maintained colleges of education 470 314 All colleges of education 466 306 University Departments of Education 452 — All Colleges and University Departments of Education 465 — 2. Average annual costs for all groups of institution, including student grant
Resident Nonresident £ £ Tuition … … 465 465 Boarding … … 306 Student grant … … 111 385 883 850 3. The proportion of resident to non-resident students is 56:44. Average annual cost for all students is £868.
4. The average cost for a three-year course, ignoring wastage, is about £2,600.
422W5. Taking account of wastage of 12 per cent. over a three-year course, it is estimated that there is a nugatory expenditure of 6.5 per cent. of the total cost and that the average cost of each three-year trained teacher who successfully completes the course is about £2,750.
6. The length of the course of initial training required under the Training of Teachers Regulations is one year for a graduate and three years for a non-graduate, but the latter period may be shortened to two years or even one year for a particular student if the college and the Area Training Organisation to which it belongs agree. A growing number of students proceed to a fourth year to take the B.Ed. degree.
7. The average length of a course including the post-graduate course is 2.6 years. The average cost of training a teacher is about £2,400 excluding capital expenditure.
8. The capital cost of a non-resident place at a college of education, including fees and furniture but excluding land, is £1,500 at present cost limits and the cost of a residential place on the same basis is £3,050.
Pay
9. Salary on first appointment varies with qualifications, training and experience. The detailed provisions are set out in the Scales of Salaries for Teachers in Primary and Secondary Schools, England and Wales, 1969, which may be consulted in the library. The salaries calculated in accordance with the provisions of this document were increased by £120 per annum from 1st April, 1970.
Employment outside maintained schools
10. Information about the posts to which teachers go after resignation, or their motive, is not normally collected. A survey has been made of men leavers in a particular period, but the work is not yet complete.
11. Professor Kelsall's recent report "Six Years After", published by the University of Sheffield, shows that, for a large sample of graduates, 86 per cent. of men who made education their first employment were still in education six years after graduation. Only 70 per cent. of those entering industry were still in it; for other sectors the wastage was even greater. For women the comparison was even more favourable to teaching.
§ Mr. Arthur Lewisasked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) whether she will publish in HANSARD as much detailed information as she may have available giving the maximum teacher's basic scale, on average, compared with average salaries, average wages, and the index of retail prices, taking in each case 1938 as equalling 100; and to what extent the granting of the teachers' pay claim would affect these figures and similar details if the management side of the Burnham proposals were accepted;
423W(2) if she will give, for an unmarried and a married teacher with one child, respectively, the take home pay, after deductions for income tax, national insurance and superannuation contributions in percentage form for each year from 1938 to 1970; and how these compared with the average wage and salary earner.
§ Mrs. ThatcherMuch of the information is not available. The remainder could not be assembled without a disproportionate expenditure of time and effort.