HC Deb 17 December 1968 vol 775 cc362-4W
Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to ensure that adequate facilities for legal aid will be available to accused persons in the Scottish courts as from 2nd January, 1969, in view of the designation of around 100 solicitors from the criminal legal aid list.

Mr. Ross

The Legal Aid (Scotland) Act, 1967, places on the Law Society of Scotland the responsibility of making arrangements for securing that legal aid is available as required by the Act. I am in touch with the Law Society about the present situation.

Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to ensure that accused persons in Scotland are not prejudiced by delays in the courts resulting from the resignation of solicitors from the criminal legal aid list.

Mr. Ross

I have no reason to believe that there is any immediate danger of the work of the courts being seriously disrupted by the withdrawal of certain solicitors in Glasgow from the criminal legal aid scheme. However, the Lord Advocate and I are watching the situation closely.

Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proportion of summary and sheriff and jury trials, respectively, in which the defendant was in receipt of legal aid, resulted, in the last financial year, in payments under Section 13 of the Act of Adjournal (Criminal Legal Aid Fees), 1964 in excess of the normal maximum fee laid down.

Mr. Ross

Twenty-five per cent. and 50 per cent. respectively.

Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the cost on the basis of the last financial year of restricting payment to the relevant maximum fee in all cases in which an excess fee was paid under Section 13 of the Act of Adjournal (Criminal Legal Aid Fees), 1964.

Mr. Ross

I have been unable to make any such estimate in terms of money because the Central Committee established by the Law Society of Scotland to administer the criminal legal aid scheme have not hitherto kept summarised records of the sums involved where claims by solicitors have been paid at a higher rate than the maximum fees prescribed by Act of Adjournal. I have, however, asked them to consider doing so in future.

Since the proportion of cases in 1967-68 in which such higher fees were paid was 25 per cent. in respect of summary trials, 50 per cent. in respect of sheriff and jury trials and 80 per cent. in respect of High Court trials—involving some 2,600 cases in all—I should expect that restricting payment to the relevant maximum fee would result in a substantial saving in public expenditure. However, such a proposal would import into the system for determining solicitors' remuneration under the scheme a rigidity which is absent from both the present arrangements and the arrangements for which the new Act of Adjournal provides. These arrangements permit the payment of a higher fee in cases which have necessarily been exceptionally lengthy, complex or difficult and where the Law Society are satisfied that the prescribed fee would not provide fair remuneration for the work actually and reasonably done.

Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total sum paid out in the last financial year to solicitors for legal aid work in connection with cases in the sheriff courts.

Mr. Ross

In 1967-68 £393,700 for criminal legal aid and £113,300 for civil; both figures comprise fees and outlays.

Mr. Dewar

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many claims for an excess payment under Section 13 of the Act of Adjournal (Criminal Legal Aid Fees), 1964, as a result of summary and sheriff and jury trials respectively, he estimates were refused in the last financial year.

Mr. Ross

I am informed that the records maintained by the Law Society of Scotland do not enable such an estimate to be made.

Mr. Wylie

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state the sums paid in fees to solicitors and counsel, respectively, in each of the last three financial years under the provisions of the legal aid scheme for criminal cases.

Mr. Ross

The information asked for is as follows:

1965–66 1966–67 1967–68
£ £ £
Fees to solicitors 217,000 363,000 424,000
Fees to Counsel 20,000 24,000 26,000

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