Sitting of 9 August 1901

DEATH OF HER IMPERIAL MAJESTY THE EMPRESS FREDERICK OF GERMANY.
The Comptroller of the Household reported His Majesty's Answer to the Address of the 7th day of this instant August, as followeth:—
"I return you My most sincere chunks for your Loyal and Dutiful Address, expressing sympathy with Me in the great loss which I have sustained by the death of My beloved Sister, the Dowager Empress and Queen Frederick of Germany and Prussia, Princess Royal of Great Britain and Ireland.
"It affords Me great comfort and gratification to receive this expression of your cordial feelings towards Myself and the Royal Family, and to be reminded of the warm interest you take in all that concerns Them.
"I shall not fail to communicate to His Imperial Majesty the German Emperor your Message of condolence with Him and the Imperial and Royal Family.

ROYAL ASSENT.

  COMMISSION.
  Message to attend the Lords Commissioners.
  The House went; and, being returned,
  Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER reported the Royal Assent to a number of Bills [see page 249].

  NEW WRIT.
  New Writ for the County of Hants (Western or Andover Division), in the room of the right hon. William Wither Bramston Beach, deceased.—(Sir William, Walrond.)
PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS.

  BELFAST AND NORTHERN COUNTIES RAILWAY BILL. (BY ORDER.)
  Lords' Amendments considered.
  Lords' Amendment—
  "In page 4, line 2, of Clause 5, to leave out the words 'City and.'"
  Read a second time.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid that by the Local Government Act of 1898 for the first time the city of Londonderry was separated from the county of Londonderry, and there was no such thing under the section as the County Council of the City and County of Londonderry. The Act of 1875, which was incorporated, placed a charge for twenty-three years of £45,000 on the capital of £220,000, and it placed that charge not upon the entire county of Londonderry, but upon certain baronies of Londonderry. In these circumstances what did the promoters do? He submitted that the Amendments inserted by the Lords were a gross breach of the privileges of this House.
  *MR. SPEAKER: There is only this one Amendment, and of course the hon. and learned Member must confine himself to the effect of this Amendment. I think it would be more convenient if the hon. and learned Member made his criticism upon the question that the House do agree with the Lords' Amendment.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid he was submitting that the Amendment of the House of Lords was a breach of the privileges of this House, and he submitted that upon the question now before the House his arguments were pertinent. The Amendment made by the House of Lords in this Act was unconstitutional in itself, and it was a breach of the privileges of this House, for it affected a large body of ratepayers who never had any notice that this charge was to be placed upon them at all. That was his argument. He had demonstrated by the section of the Act of 1875 that the Act placed this charge upon four areas out of the entire county of Londonderry. This was a most serious inroad upon the privileges of the ratepayers, but how did it stand with regard to the House? The whole county of Londonderry was now rated for the purposes of this charge. Notices of this ought to have been given to every ratepayer in the county of Londonderry

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  by the original notices drawn up in October and November of every year. They had the right to petition. He would not have complained of this extraordinary step so much if it had been for the purpose of continuing the existing charge for the benefit of the local ratepayers, but the proposal now was that a large number of persons in certain baronies who had never paid this charge before would now have to contribute. The Standing Orders of the House provided that problems of this kind should not be dealt with without notice, and insisted upon the privileges of the House with regard to any clauses inserted in private Bills or provisional Orders sent down by the House of Lords being observed, more especially in regard to local charges being placed on local authorities for local purposes. The charge in the original Act was solely upon certain baronies—
  *MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! What the hon. and learned Member is now going into cannot be raised upon a point of order, and it would be better if he would raise his objection upon the general question.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid the ratepayers of Ireland would be placed in a grave position if they were denied the protection of the privileges of this House in regard to a matter of this kind. The procedure in regard to private Bills was sufficiently difficult and cumbrous, but the Standing Order rigidly insisted, under a joint Order of both Houses, that no Bill should even be introduced to create a public charge unless notice had been given to every man in the locality, and unless the public bodies had notice and given their approval of the charge. What became of this Standing Order in the case of the Lords' Amendment to this Bill? The unfortunate shareholders were to be robbed of all their money and property for the benefit of a Treasury arrangement with a monopolist company.
  *MR. SPEAKER: That is hardly a point of order.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid his point was that there was no such body as the County Council of the City and County of Londonderry.
  *MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! The hon. Member is going wide of the question. He is discussing the merits of the Bill, and he cannot do that upon a point of order.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid his submission was that it was contrary to the Standing Orders that the House of Lords should make this Amendment, which deprived the public of the protection of the Standing Order which required that all new charges laid upon the ratepayers should first have the approval of the local bodies.
  THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN,: On a point of order, may I submit to the House that this clause containing the onerating charges was not inserted by the House of Lords but by this House, and all that the House of Lords hasdone is to exonerate the city of Londonderry, which was included in error in the clause inserted in this House. Therefore the action of the House of Lords has not been to cast a burden upon any ratepayers or taxpayers, but simply to remove from the city of Londonderry a burden placed upon it by mistake in this House.
  *MR. SPEAKER: Is there such a body as the County Council of the City and County of Londonderry?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: No.
  *MR. SPEAKER: It certainly appears to me to be a mere case of error of description. It is a question whether the Lords have not merely corrected an error which the Commons had fallen into.
  MR. T. M. HEALYcontended that the House of Commons had fallen into no error. Because of an objection addressed to the House of Lords by some private interested parties the Lords had put in a clause which onerated the whole county of Londonderry.
  *MR. SPEAKER: I do not understand that to be the case. As far as I can understand the position, there is no such body as the County Council of the City and County of Londonderry.
  THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR IRELAND (Mr. ATKINSON,: Under the Local Government Act of 1898 there was no grand jury of the city of Londonderry at all, but there was one grand jury which covered both the city and the county. Under the Act of 1875 the seven baronies of the county of Londonderry were charged under the guarantee with the payment of interest on the sum which has been stated at 5 per cent. In the clause as it left the House of Commons a non-existent body was named, and the House of Lords had simply corrected the clause by substituting for that nonexistent body the body that is obviously intended. What the House of Lords has done is simply to strike out those words relating to the non-existent body and make the clause describe an existent body, namely, the County Council of the County of Londonderry, upon whom the burden is thrown.
  *MR. SPEAKER: It seems to me that all this Amendment does is to describe correctly a body which had been incorrectly described. Apparently there has been no new burden imposed upon the ratepayers by the House of Lords.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid he was of course bound by this ruling, and he would address himself to the merits of the question.
  *MR. SPEAKER: May I suggest that some hon. Member should first move that the House do agree with the Lords in this Amendment, and then the hon. and learned Member can move to disagree.
  Motion made, and Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."—(Mr. O'Neill.)
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid he could well understand why the learned Attorney General was anxious that this clause should pass, because he happened to represent North Derry.
  *MR. SPEAKER: That is not the result of this Amendment. The only point is whether this Amendment should
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  be inserted, and it appears to me to be simply a correction. Therefore the hon. and learned Member cannot go into the question of the effect of the whole clause.
  MR. T. M. HEALYsaid he was dealing with what was his own impression as to the effect of this clause as a matter of argument and not of law. As the clause left this House, it could not be denied that it laid a charge upon no man. It was idle to contend that this was simply a correction. The public of Ireland were entitled in an onerating. Bill to be heard and to say whether this Amendment created an onerating charge. That was only common logic. Slips often occurred in Acts of Parliament of which prisoners got the benefit of the doubt. The real construction was that the mind of Parliament was expressed by the words of the Act, and as those words left this House, slip or no slip, they laid no charge upon anybody in the county or city of Londonderry, and the result would have been that they would have escaped by the terms of the Act as it left this House. Those hon. members who were familiar with the Local Government Act of 1898 noticed the slip, and they blessed the name of those who drew up this section. This would have passed the House of Lords without alteration so far as the county council of Londonderry was concerned, and the other local bodies, had it not been for the interested action of a number of private shareholders who, in their own interests, set themselves the task of getting this alleged ship corrected. He challenged contradiction upon the point that this Bill as it left this House relieved the people of the county of Londonderry from all obligations in regard to this charge. The result of the Lords' Amendment must be considered in relation to the existing statutes. He submitted that the effect would be that those persons living in the southern baronies and areas of this county would for the first time be onerated with this charge.
  *MR. JOHN GORDONsaid that the hon. and learned Member for North Louth was under a very great misapprehension in regard to this question no doubt. The Local Government

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  Act of 1898 had put an end to baronies as taxable areas for general purposes under the Act, but it had at the same time provided that charges for railways, tramways, and the like could still be levied off the areas which had originally been made liable for such charges, and he understood that these charges had actually been levied and paid in this way since the passing of that Act. When the section left that House its intention was to preserve to the shareholders the rights which they possessed under previous Acts. There was no intention to impose a liability upon ratepayers not previously liable.
  *MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! The hon. Member is now going into the general merits of the Bill, and he is not in order in doing so.
  *MR. JOHN GORDONsaid it seemed to him that the intention of the section of the Act of Parliament alluded to when it left the House was to preserve to the shareholders any rights which they already had. If there was any slip in the language used or any mistake, was it not a reasonable and right thing to correct it? If the clause would extend a liability not before incurred, he should have supported the hon. Member in resisting the change. He would not touch the merits of the case; but content himself with saying that he did not think the House would impose any liability on the ratepayers to which they were not previously liable.
  MR. MOOREsaid his action would be largely guided by the
  answer which the Attorney General for Ireland gave them as to whether in the original Act the baronies were liable to these charges. Would the right hon. Gentleman tell them whether as the Bill came down to them the baronies were—
  *MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! That matter cannot be raised on this Amendment.
  MR. T. M. HEALY: Nothing else arises. That is the whole point.
  MR. ATKINSONsaid he had not the slightest hesitation in saying that so far as the liability of the ratepayers in the particular baronies mentioned in the Act of 1875, they remained exactly as they were before. There was no federation of the baronies. The Provisional Order simply provided that the county districts should be used instead of the baronies. It neither circumscribed nor extended the area on which any particular charges were made.
  MR. T. M. HEALY: Read the section.
  MR. ATKINSONsaid that was his interpretation. So far as that Amendment was concerned, it was obvious that it did not charge any district; but what the Amendment intended, he presumed, was to indicate the bodies that should henceforth pay the charge.
  Question put.
  The House divided:—Ayes, 137; Noes, 91. (Division List No. 445.)

  AYES.

  Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

  Caldwell, James

  Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

  Anstruther, H. T.

  Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire

  Doxford, Sir William Theodore

  Arkwright, John Stanhope

  Cayzer, Sir Charles William

  Duke, Henry Edward

  Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

  Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

  Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

  Arrol, Sir William

  Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.

  Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. Hart

  Asher, Alexander

  Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

  Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edwd.

  Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

  Chapman, Edward

  Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

  Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

  Churchill, Winston Spencer

  Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

  Balcarres, Lord

  Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

  Fisher, William Hayes

  Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r

  Coghill, Douglas Harry

  Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

  Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

  Cohen, Benjamin Louis

  Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

  Banbury, Frederick George

  Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

  Garfit, William

  Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

  Colomb, Sir John Chas. Ready

  Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick

  Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

  Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

  Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn)

  Bignold, Arthur

  Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

  Gordon, J. (Londonderry. S.)

  Bullard, Sir Harry

  Cranborne, Viscount

  Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

  Burdett-Coutts, W.

  Davies Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

  Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

  Butcher, John George

  Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

  Goulding, Edward Alfred

  Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

  Macdona, John Cumming

  Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye

  Greene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.)

  MacIver, David (Liverpool)

  Ropner, Col. Robert

  Groves, James Grimble

  Maconochie, A. W.

  Royds, Clement Molyneux

  Hain, Edward

  M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

  Rutherford, John

  Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

  M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

  Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

  Harris, Frederick Leverton

  Majendie, James A. H.

  Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

  Haslett, Sir James Horner

  Maple, Sir John Blundell

  Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert

  Heath, James (Staffords., N.W.

  Mitchell, William

  Sharpe, William Edward T.

  Heaton, John Henniker

  Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

  Skewes-Cox, Thomas

  Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

  Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

  Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

  Hoare, Edw. Brodie (Hampstead

  Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

  Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.

  Hornby, Sir William Henry

  Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

  Spear, John Ward

  Horner, Frederick William

  Murray, Rt Hn. A. Graham (Bute

  Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

  Hoult, Joseph

  Myers, William Henry

  Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

  Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

  Paulton, James Mellor

  Stone, Sir Benjamin

  Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

  Peel, Hon. Wm. Robert Wellesley

  Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E.)

  Johnston, William (Belfast)

  Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard

  Tritton, Charles Ernest

  Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

  Platt-Higgins, Frederick

  Valentia, Viscount

  Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

  Plummer, Walter R.

  Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H.

  Lawson, John Grant

  Pretyman, Ernest George

  Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.

  Lee, Arthur H. (Hants., Fareham

  Purvis, Robert

  Webb, Col. William George

  Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

  Randles, John S.

  Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

  Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

  Rankin, Sir James

  Wilsod-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

  Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

  Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

  Wodehouse, Rt. Hon. E. R. (Bath)

  Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.)

  Reid, James (Greenock)

  Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

  Lonsdale, John Brownlee

  Renshaw, Charles Bine

  Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent)

  Rentoul, James Alexander

  TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

  Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred

  Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge)

  Mr. O'Neill and Colonel J.

  Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

  Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

  M'Calmont.

  NOES.

  Abraham, W. (Cork, N. E.)

  Gilhooly, James

  O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

  Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

  Hammond, John

  O'Dowd, John

  Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

  Hayden, John Patrick

  O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

  Bell, Richard

  Hayne, Rt. Hon. C. Seale-

  O'Malley, William

  Boland, John

  Horniman, Frederick John

  O'Shee, James John

  Boyle, James

  Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

  Partington, Oswald

  Brigg, John

  Jones, W. (Carnarvonshire)

  Power, Patrick Joseph

  Broadhurst, Henry

  Jordan, Jeremiah

  Reddy, M.

  Burns, John

  Joyce, Michael

  Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

  Burt, Thomas

  Kennedy, Patrick James

  Redmond, William (Clare)

  Cameron, Robert

  Lambert, George

  Rickett, J. Compton

  Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

  Leamy, Edmund

  Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)

  Carvill, Patrick G. Hamilton

  Leigh, Sir Joseph

  Roche, John

  Channing Francis Allston

  Lough, Thomas

  Roe, Sir Thomas

  Clancy, John Joseph

  Lundon, W.

  Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

  Cogan, Denis J.

  Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

  Sinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)

  Colville, John

  M'Fadden, Edward

  Soares, Ernest J.

  Condon, Thomas Joseph

  M'Govern, T.

  Sullivan, Donal

  Crean, Eugene

  M'Kenna, Reginald

  Taylor, Theodore Cooke

  Crombie, John William

  Mansfield, Horace Rendall

  Tennant, Harold John

  Cullinan, J.

  Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

  Thompson Dr. E. C. (MonaghnN

  Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

  Murnaghan, George

  Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

  Delany, William

  Murphy, John

  Tomkinson, James

  Donelan, Captain A.

  Nannetti, Joseph P.

  Ure, Alexander

  Doogan, P. C.

  Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

  White, Luke (York, E. R.)

  Duffy, William J.

  Nussey, Thomas Willans

  White, Patrick (Meath, N.)

  Elibank, Master of

  O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

  Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

  Emmott, Alfred

  O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid

  Esmonde, Sir Thomas

  O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

  TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

  Field, William

  O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

  T. M. Healy and Mr. Daly.

  Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

  O'Doherty, William

  Flavin, Michael Joseph

  O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

  First resolution read a second time.

  Subsequent Lords' Amendment agreed to.

  MESSAGE PROM THE LORDS.
  That they have agreed to Amendments to Dover Corporation Bill [Lords];
  Smethwick Corporation Bill [Lords]; Lowestoft Corporation Bill [Lords]; Ripon Corporation Bill [Lords]; Southport Water (Transfer Bill) [Lords]; Harpenden District Gas Bill [Lords]: without amendment.

  EDUCATION BOARD PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (LONDON) (RE-COMMITTED) BILL [Lords].
  Ordered, That the parties interested have leave to be heard by themselves, their counsel, agents, or witnesses, before the Committee on the Education Board Provisional Order Confirmation (London) Bill [Lords].—(Sir J. Gorst.)

  LONDON UNITED TRAMWAYS BILL.
  WALLASEY IMPROVEMENT BILL.
  Lords' Amendments considered, and agreed to.

  BRISTOL CORPORATION (DOCKS AND RAILWAYS, ETC.) BILL [Lords].
  King's consent signified; read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.
  MANCHESTER AND LIVERPOOL ELECTRIC EXPRESS RAILWAY BILL [Lords].
  King's consent signified; Bill read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.
  PORTMADOC, BEDDGELERT, AND SOUTH SNOWDON RAILWAY BILL [Lords].
  King's consent signified; Bill read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.
  WESTON-SUPER-MARE GAS BILL [Lords].
  Read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.
  PIER AND HARBOUR PROVISIONAL ORDER (No. 4).
  Bill to confirm a Provisional Order made by the Board of Trade under the General Pier and Harbour Act, 1861, relating to Berehaven, ordered to be brought in by Mr. Gerald Balfour and Mr. Austen Chamberlain.

  PIER AND HARBOUR PROVISIONAL ORDER (No. 4) BILL.
  Bill to confirm a Provisional Order made by the Board of Trade under the General Pier and Harbour Act, 1861, relating to Berehaven," presented accordingly.
  Ordered, That Standing Order 193A, which provides that "no Bill, originating
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  in this House, for confirming a Provisional Order or Provisional Certificate, shall be read the first time after the first day of June," be suspended as regards a Bill entitled the Pier and Harbours Orders Confirmation (No. 4) Bill, and that the Bill be read the first time.—(Mr. Gerald Balfour.)
  Bill read accordingly the first time; referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, and to be printed. [Bill 289.]
  Ordered, That in the case of the Pier and Harbour Provisional Order (No. 4) Bill, Standing Order 73 be suspended, and that the Examiners have leave to sit and proceed forthwith.—(Mr. Gerald Balfour.)

  EDUCATION BOARD PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (LONDON) (RE-COMMITTED) BILL [Lords].
  Reported, without further Amendment from the Select Committee, with Special Report and Minutes of Evidence [Provisional Order confirmed].
  Report and Special Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 327.]
  Minutes of Proceedings, to be printed. [No. 327.]
  Bill, as amended, to be considered upon Monday next.

  ADJOURNMENT.
  Resolved, That this House, at its rising this day, do adjourn till Monday next.—(Mr. Austen Chamberlain.)
PETITIONS.
  AGRICULTURAL RATES ACT (1896), ETC., CONTINUANCE BILL.
  Petition from Morayshire, in favour; to lie upon the Table.
  CANADIAN CATTLE (IMPORTATION).
  Petition from Berwickshire, for the abolition of restrictions; to lie upon the Table.
  COMPENSATION FOR DAMAGE TO CROPS, ETC., BILL.
  Petition from Morayshire, in favour; to lie upon the Table.
RETURNS, REPORTS, ETC.
  PUBLIC INCOME AND EXPENDITURE.
  Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 14th June; Sir Henry Fowler]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 319.]
  TRAMWAY AND GAS AND WATER ORDERS.
  Copy presented, of Report by the Board of Trade of their proceedings under the Tramways Act, 1870, and the Gas and Water Works Facilities Act, 1870, during the session of 1901 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
  GAS UNDERTAKINGS.
  Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 2nd April; Mr. Gerald Balfour]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 320.]
  GAS UNDERTAKINGS (LOCAL AUTHORITIES).
  Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 2nd April; Mr. Gerald Balfour]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 321.]
  JOINT STOCK COMPANIES.
  Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 8th August; Mr. Gerald Balfour]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 322.]
  BANKRUPTCY.
  Copy presented, of Eighteenth General Annual Report by the Board of Trade under the Bankruptcy Act, 1883 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 323.]
  COMPANIES (WINDING UP).
  Copy presented, of Tenth General Annual Report by the Board of Trade [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 324.]
  RAILWAY SERVANTS (HOURS OF LABOUR).
  Copy presented of Report by the Board of Trade of their Proceedings under the Railway Regulation Act, 1893, during the year ended 27th July, 1901 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.
  WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
  Copy presented, of Report by the Board of Trade on their Proceedings and Business under the Weights and Measures Acts [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 326.]
  PITCAIRN ISLAND.
  Copy presented, of further Correspondence relating to the condition of the Pitcairn Islanders [by Command]; to lie upon the Tabls.
  TRADE REPORTS (ANNUAL SERIES).
  Copies presented, of Diplomatic and Consular Reports, Annual Series, Nos. 2687 to 2690 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
  TRADE REPORTS (MISCELLANEOUS SERIES).
  Copy presented, of Diplomatic and Consular Reports, Miscellaneous Series No. 563 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
  AFRICA (No. 8, 1901).
  Copy presented of Report by the Mombasa-Victoria (Uganda) Railway Committee on the progress of the works, 1900–1901 (with a map) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
  INQUIRY INTO CHARITIES (COUNTY OF WILTS).
  Return ordered, "comprising (1) the Reports made to the Charity Commissioners in the result of an inquiry held in every parish wholly or partly within the county of Wilts into Endowments, subject to the provisions of the Charitable Trusts Acts, 1853 to 1894, and appropriated in whole or in part for the benefit of that county, or of any part thereof, together with the Reports on those Endowments of the Commissioners for inquiring concerning Charities, 1818 to 1837; (2) a Digest showing, in the case of each such parish, whether any, and, if any, what, such Endowments are recorded in the books of the Charity Commissioners in the parish; and (3) an Index, alphabetically arranged, of names and places mentioned in the Reports."—(Mr. Griffith Boscawen.)
  COLONIAL IMPORT DUTIES, 1901.
  Return ordered, "relating to the rates of import Duties levied upon the principal and other articles imported into the Colonies and other possessions of the United Kingdom."—(Mr. Gerald Balfour.)
  ENGLISH, SCOTCH, AND IRISH LOANS WRITTEN OFF.
  Return ordered, "showing the sums written off the Assets of the Local Loans Fund by the Public Works Loans Acts, 1896–1900, in respect of English, Scotch, and Irish Loans."—(Mr. Austen Chamberlain.)
QUESTIONS.

  SOUTH AFRICAN WAR—LORD KITCHENER'S PROCLAMATION.
  MR. CHANNING: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Colonies whether the proclamation of Lord Kitchener, issued to-day, was drawn up on any suggestion of Lord Kitchener or after consulting Lord Kitchener.
  THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE COLONIES (Mr. J. CHAMBERLAIN,: Of course. Sir, it was drawn up with the full approval of Lord Kitchener.
  MR. CHANNINGWas the approval given before?
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: Yes, Sir.

  NATIVE COMPOUNDS—ENFORCEMENT OF NATIVE LABOUR CONTRACTS.
  MR. CHANNING: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has, through Lord Milner or otherwise, taken steps, since the shooting down by British soldiers of natives attempting to escape from the compound at the Wesselton Mine at Kimberley, in October last, to lay down regulations or otherwise to prevent the use of British soldiers for the enforcement of contracts, or for any other purposes than those which come within the law and the Army Regulations.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: No. The employment of military forces in districts
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  under martial law must be left to the discretion of the military authorities, who are responsible for the manner in which they employ such forces.
  MR. CHANNING: I understand this question has no reference to martial law, but has reference to the enforcement of contracts in the compound at Kimberley, and I understand the right hon. Gentleman to say that he will inquire into the matter. I now ask him whether the employment of British soldiers to enforce contracts is within the law and the regulations.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: I never made any promise to inquire into the matter, because under no possible circumstances could it concern my department. Either it is an act of a self-governing colony, with which I cannot interfere, or it is an act of the military authorities at a time when martial law prevailed. If so, the question should be addressed to the War Office.
  MR. CHANNING: As the right hon. Gentleman is laying down conditions dealing with the employment of natives I would ask whether he contemplates, in connection with this matter, the employment of British troops to enforce contracts either in Kimberley or the Transvaal.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: The hon. Member appears to be unaware of the fact that Kimberley is not under the Imperial Parliament. It is under the control of the Government of the Cape, which is a self-governing colony, with which I do not wish to interfere.
  MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: Is not the Governor of Cape Colony, as representing the King, bound to obey the orders of the right hon. Gentleman?
  [No answer was returned.]

  SHOOTING OF A NATIVE—CASE OF CAPTAIN COX.
  MR. CHANNING: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether Lord Milner or Sir Holy Hutchinson have, on their own authority or under direction of the Colonial Office,

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  taken any steps by requiring the Attorney General of Cape Colony to act or otherwise to secure the bringing to trial of Captain Cox for ordering a Cape policeman named Smith to shoot a native named Dolley, which order was accepted by the court in October last as sufficient evidence to acquit Smith on the charge of murdering Dolley.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: No, Sir; the matter is one entirely within the discretion of the Cape Attorney General, who accepts full responsibility towards the Cape Parliament for his decision after careful consideration not to prosecute Captain Cox.
  MR. CHANNING: DO I understand that it is not within the power and jurisdiction of the Secretary of State for the Colonies and Lord Milner to make any suggestion or recommendation to the Cape Colony Government on a matter of this kind?
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: I have the right to make any courteous communication to the Government of any colony, but I do not propose to interfere with the discretion of the Cape Colony in this matter.

  LAND SETTLEMENT.
  MR. LAMBERT: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he can state the exact sum proposed to be allocated to the scheme of land settlement in South Africa; whether, when such scheme has been prepared, will it be submitted to the House; and whether, before any Imperial money is used, will the Imperial Parliament have an opportunity of expressing an opinion upon the details of its disposal.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: No, Sir. I have nothing to add to my reply of yesterday.†

  BOER PRISONERS AT ST. HELENA—SHOOTING OF GODEFROY.
  MR. DILLON: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether, in the case of the killing of
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  Godefroy at St. Helena, an investigation before a coroner was demanded by the Boer prisoners, which demand was refused; and, if so, can he state why it was refused; whether at the military inquiry which did take place the friends of Godefroy were represented; and whether his representatives were allowed to cross-examine the military witnesses; whether the committee of Boer prisoners who communicated with the Governor in reference to this incident have sent in any statement; and, if so, whether such statement was considered by the court which conducted the inquiry; and whether he will allow the Member for East Mayo to have access to any correspondence which has passed between the camp committee, the Governor, and the president of the court in reference to the shooting of Godefroy, and to the official record of the proceeding of the court.
  THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE WAR OFFICE (Lord STANLEY,: The report called for has not yet arrived. I am not therefore in a position to answer the question.
  MR. DILLON: Seeing that this occurred in the month of February last, and as there are means of telegraphic communication, cannot the noble Lord get the information?
  LORD STANLEY: I can only say I have asked for the report and it has not yet arrived.
  MR. DILLON: I shall repeat this question.

  EXECUTION OF REBELS—COMPULSORY ATTENDANCE OF BURGHERS.
  MR. CHANNING: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether orders have now been sent or will forthwith be sent by telegram to South Africa directing the authorities, in the case of any further executions, to discontinue the practice of compelling the Dutch inhabitants to witness these executions.
  LORD STANLEY: There is nosuch practice as the hon. Member supposes. The

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  single instance to which he refers was due to the necessity which, in the opinion of the military authorities, existed for showing that the sentences inflicted by court-martial were really carried out. It will not have to be repeated.
  MR. CHANNING: I should like to ask the noble Lord whether I am to understand from his answer that His Majesty's Government have sent directions to South Africa to prevent any such occurrence again.
  LORD STANLEY: No, Sir. In the opinion of the General Officer Commanding in South Africa this will not have to be repeated.
  MR. M'KENNA: Has the noble Lord received any fresh communication on the subject since yesterday, when he was questioned in regard to it.
  LORD STANLEY: I believe a communication was received this morning.

  BRITISH MOBILE FORCES.
  MR. LAMBERT: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether, having regard to the recent military successes of the Boers will he state what measures are in contemplation and are being taken by the Government to enable Lord Kitchener to conduct the war with more vigour by fresh mobile troops.
  LORD STANLEY: I am not aware of any recent events which would justify the supposition that further fresh mobile forces are necessary.

  COURTS-MARTIAL—HEAVY SENTENCES ON MUNSTER FUSILIERS.
  MR. JOYCE: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether his attention has been called to the case of twenty-eight men of the 1st Battalion Munster Fusiliers, who have been sentenced to seven years penal servitude after landing at Southampton from Africa; and can he state what was the offence committed by those men to call for such a sentence.
  LORD STANLEY: No information has reached the War Office of any such court-martial sentence.

  COURTS-MARTIAL—REVISION OF SENTENCES.
  MR. H. D. GREENE: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether, in cases of such convictions by courts-martial as must be submitted to a judge advocate general for confirmation or consideration, the accused person is required to undergo the inflicted sentence, whether of imprisonment or other punishment, before the validity of the conviction has been determined by that officer; if so, whether this procedure can be so altered as to secure that punishment shall not be undergone until the conviction has been adjudged to be valid by the proper legal authority.
  LORD STANLEY: General courts-martial only must be submitted to the judge advocate general for confirmation by the Sovereign. Other courts-martial are only referred to him before confirmation when the confirming officer is in doubt on some legal point. All general, district, and field general courts-martial are sent to him for review and custody, and if total illegality is discovered the proceedings are quashed, but in 1900 only one in 400 was quashed. The sentence takes effect from the date of the signature of the president of the court. It would not be practicable to allow a prisoner to be at large after trial, and the delay involved by the suggestion would render discipline quite impossible.

  MEAT CONTRACTS.
  MR. SPEAR: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office if he is aware that a quantity of foreign beef is being supplied the troops,, whereas the contract is for beef from native cattle; and if he will take steps to prevent this in the future.
  MR. FIELD: I beg also to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he is aware that in some cases contractors are supplying foreign beef obtained in Deptford, Birkenhead, and elsewhere as native home-fed meat; whether he will inquire into the matter and enforce the terms of contract.
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  the troops contrary to the terms of existing contracts. General officers commanding districts are well aware of the conditions of supply, and may be trusted to enforce compliance with the terms.
  MR. FIELD: Will the noble Lord make inquiry into facts which I have had laid before him as to the supply of foreign instead of native meat?
  LORD STANLEY: It is a very large question, but if the hon. Member will bring any specific cases under the notice of the general officer commanding I am sure they will be fully inquired into.

  IMPERIAL YEOMANRY OFFICERS.
  MR. PEEL: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether, in view of the fact that the Militia and Yeomanry Bill of this session extends the provisions of the Militia Act of 1882 to the Imperial Yeomanry, he will consider the advisability of placing officers of the Imperial Yeomanry on an equality with officers of the Militia as regards precedence.
  LORD STANLEY: Yes, Sir; this point will be considered.
  In reply to Mr. COURTENAY WARNER (Staffordshire, Lichfield)—
  LORD STANLEYsaid the whole question of promotion was under consideration, but it would not do for him to make any statement at present.

  RETURN OF TROOPS FROM SOUTH AFRICA.
  SIR WALTER FOSTER: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether, in view of the expected return of a number of troops from South Africa at the end of September, he will consider the claims of those soldiers to be sent home who have served the longest time in the field, especially those who, like men in the Derbyshire regiment, served in the Tirah campaign before going to South Africa, and have been wounded in this campaign.
  LORD STANLEY: I am not at present in a position to make any statement in the direction suggested by the question.

  MILITIA PAY.
  MR. COCHRANE: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether a militiaman, after disembodiment or discharge in South Africa, is entitled to receive seven days pay, ration, and messing allowance for each month of embodied service after twelve months, in addition to the forty-two days laid down in paragraphs 27 and 32 of the Instructions relating to the Embodied Militia, issued with Army Orders of May, 1901.
  LORD STANLEY: The embodied militiaman whose whole service is given in South Africa gets a gratuity of pay for forty-two days for the first six months, forty-two days for the second six months, forty-two days for the third six months or any shorter period, and seven days for each month after the eighteenth month. He also gets a gratuity of 30s. for the first year, and if his service extends beyond twelve months of £3.
  MR. COCHRANE: Does it date from the embodiment or from the day of going out to South Africa?
  LORD STANLEY: I do not know.

  ARMY REMOUNTS.
  MR. DALY: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he can state when the Report of the Commission to inquire into the question of Army remounts will be published; and if he can say how many witnesses were examined from Ireland, and from what portions of that country did the witnesses come.
  LORD STANLEY: This is a Committee appointed by the Secretary of State to advise him as to the best method in the future of obtaining remounts, and is not a Commission as suggested by the hon. Member; and it will be for the Secretary of State to decide whether all or any of the proceedings shall be made public. Meanwhile the proceedings are confidential.
  MR. DALY: Cannot the noble Lord say how many witnesses have been examined from Ireland? There should

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  LORD STANLEY: The Report is being drawn up; all the proceedings were confidential.

  RIFLE RANGES—LICHFIELD RANGES.
  MR. COURTENAY WARNER: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he can state what progress has been made in providing new rifle ranges this year, what new rifle ranges have been opened, and how soon the range near Lichfield will be completed.
  LORD STANLEY: Over £58,000 has been spent on rifle ranges between 1st January and 31st March, 1901. The figures for the subsequent months are not yet to hand. Five ranges have been completed since 1st January. Thirty-six ranges for the Volunteers have been approved, and are in course of construction. The purchase of land at Lichfield is not yet completed.

  ARMY MEDICAL DEPARTMENT.
  MAJOR RASCH: I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether he can state when the Report of the Commission on the Army Medical Department will be ready, and if it will be published.
  LORD STANLEY: I am not able to say when the Report of this departmental Committee will be ready. The question of its publication does not therefore arise at present.

  SOLDIERS' FIELD GLASSES.
  MR. GOULDING: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that Sergeants Stephens and Brind and Private Carmichael, 18th Hussars, were captured by the enemy, and consequently lost the field glasses with which they had voluntarily provided themselves for the public service; that the Commander-in-Chief in South Africa has recommended that the claims made by the men for the field glasses should be paid, as they had shown considerable zeal in providing them-
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  selves with field glasses at their own expense, and had been exonerated by a court of inquiry from all blame as to their capture, and that the War Office has declined to sanction their indemnification; whether, taking into consideration the recommendation of the Commander-in-Chief, and the resistance to which he alludes, the claims of these men will be reconsidered.
  LORD STANLEY: Field glasses are not required by regulation, and have not therefore hitherto been considered matter for indemnification. The question is receiving further consideration.

  RECRUITING STATISTICS.
  MR. ARTHUR LEE: I beg to ask the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he can state the total number of recruits raised for the Regular Army and for the Militia respectively since 1st January, 1901, specifying in each case the numbers obtained for the infantry arm and the number of specials.
  LORD STANLEY: The total recruits for the Regular Army up to the 27th July amounted to 25,700, of whom 12,390 were for infantry and 8,668 were specials. For the Militia there were 22,369 recruits, of whom 18,579 were for infantry.

  ARMY ANNUAL RETURN.
  MR. H. D. GREENE: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether he can say when the last Annual Return of the British Army was published, and when the next will be issued.
  LORD STANLEY: The last Return was for 1898. As the House has been already informed, it will not be possible to collate the necessary information for another Return until the war is over.

  INDIAN FINANCE.
  MR. HERBERT ROBERTS: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether he will state whether it is intended to give effect to the proposals referred to in paragraph 69 of the unanimous Report on Indian

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  Expenditure, to the effect that the Indian financial year should end on 31st December, in order that the Indian Accounts may be laid before Parliament at an earlier date than is now practicable, and with a view to the discussion on Indian Finance taking place earlier in the session.
  THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INDIA (Lord G. HAMILTON,: I stated, in reply to a similar question on the 2nd of April last, that a proposal to make the Indian financial year end on the 31st December had been considered, in 1873, by a Select Committee of this House, who reported against it; and that I had communicated the suggestion of the recent Royal Commission to the Government of India, but did not believe it would be found practicable to adopt it. To this I can add nothing at present.

  INDIAN FISCAL SYSTEM—DEATH DUTIES.
  SIR EDWARD SASSOON: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether, in view of the present character of the Indian Revenue, he will consider the desirability of extending the principle of the Finance Act of 1894 to the Indian fiscal system.
  LORD G. HAMILTON: My hon. friend's question is a suggestion that it would be desirable to raise revenue in India by means of Death Duties. The question has often been considered, but in the opinion of nearly all who have discussed it, the habits and usages of the people of that country are such as to make this form of taxation unsuitable, if not impracticable.

  TRINIDAD—GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS.
  *MR. COMPTON RICKETT: I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether a further report from the Governor of Trinidad, relating to the closing of Government schools, and their transfer to denominational management, has come to hand; whether he has received a petition from the inhabitants of Trinidad objecting to the threatened closing of these Government schools, and asking for an inquiry into the state of education
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  in that island; and also a petition for permission to erect a new building for the Royal College, and for sanction to add to its teaching staff; whether he has reached any decision in regard to these matters, and whether the correspondence relating thereto will be produced.
  MR. J. CHAMBERLAIN: I have received the further report referred to in the question and a petition against the closing of the schools. I have not received a petition for a new building for Queen's Royal College. I have sanctioned an addition to its teaching staff. I have not yet come to any final decision on the subject of the Trinidad schools.

  CAIRO FOX-HUNTING INCIDENT.
  MR. TAYLOR: I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the prisoners in the Egyptian tame foxhunting case who have appealed against their sentence are still confined to gaol; and, if still in gaol, will His Majesty's Government take steps for their release pending appeal.
  THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS (Viscount CRANBORNE,: His Majesty's Government have no information which would enable me to answer the first question of the hon. Gentleman. With regard to the second, the hon. Gentleman is evidently unaware that the Egyptian courts are as independent as the courts of the United Kingdom, and it would be highly improper for His Majesty's Government to interfere with their discretion.

  SCOTTISH STEAM TRAWLERS.
  MR. CROMBIE: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been called to the mischief resulting from the incompetency of masters of steam trawlers in Scotland in navigation; and, if legislation is necessary to effect a remedy, whether he will be prepared to legislate on the subject next session.
  THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRADE (Mr. GERALD BALFOUR,: The expediency of requiring

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  masters of trawlers in Scotland to take out certificates will be considered when any opportunity arises of amending the Merchant Shipping Act, 1894, but I cannot make any definite promise of legislation.

  POST OFFICE LEGISLATION.
  COLONEL STOPFORD-SACKVILLE: I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether, in view of the general ignorance prevailing among parish councils as to their powers under the Post Office Amendment Act, 1895, and the Post Office (Guarantee) Act, 1898, he will be willing to issue to them a circular conveying to them anew in plain language the explanation of these Acts, as was attempted to be done in the circular letter of 3rd September, 1898.
  THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD (Mr. WALTER LONG,: I will give consideration to the suggestion of my hon. and gallant friend.

  ENCROACHMENT ON HINKSFORD HIGHWAY.
  COLONEL WEBB: I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether his attention has been called to the action of the Seisdon Rural District Council in permitting an encroachment on the highway at Hinksford, in the parish of Swindon, in their district; whether be is aware that the district council have approved plans for buildings which do not comply with their own bye-laws; whether it is with the sanction of the Local Government Board that the person who advises the rural district council as to the acceptability of plans is an architect who prepares plans for buildings in the district; and whether he can take any steps to secure the proper performance by the district council of their duties in regard to these matters.
  *MR. WALTER LONG: I have applied to the rural district council for information with regard to the matters referred to in the question, and am awaiting a reply from them on the subject. No sanction on the part of the Local Govern-
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  ment Board is required to the appointment of the person who advises a district council as to the acceptance of plans.

  ABERYSTWITH—THE "QUEEN BEE" FATALITY.
  MR. GEORGE KENYON: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether he has received any official intimation of the fatal accident to the "Queen Bee" at Aberystwith, and if he will give the latest information to the House, whether he can say when this boat was last officially inspected, and whether, having reference to the accidents occurring to pleasure boats at this season, he can suggest any better system of inspection and registration than that which is now in force.
  *MR. WALTER LONG: My right hon. friend has asked me to reply to this question. I have not received any official information as to the accident referred to, but I am in communication with the local authority on the subject. I have under consideration proposals for the amendment of the law relating to the registration and licensing of pleasure boats.

  WELSH ORDNANCE SURVEY.
  MR. LLOYD MORGAN: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether ho will state what progress has been made by the Ordnance Survey Department with the revision of the ordnance maps for the counties of Wales, and what counties are now in course of revision; whether he has given instructions for the commencement of the revision of the maps for the county of Carmarthen; if not, whether ho will do so, having regard to the fact that the revision of the adjoining county of Glamorgan has been completed.
  *THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF AGRICULTURE (Mr. HANBURY,: The counties of Anglesey, Carnarvon, Denbigh, Flint, Merioneth, and Glamorgan have already been revised. The revision of the county of Montgomery is in progress. Carmarthenshire was revised only thirteen years ago, and as revision is to take place every twenty years its revision is not yet due,

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  but it will be completed well within the twenty-year limit. The original survey of Glamorganshire was completed twenty-three years ago.

  RABIES IN CARMARTHENSHIRE.
  MR. LLOYD MORGAN: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he can give the date when the last known case of rabies was discovered in the county of Carmarthen, and whether he is in a position to state when the muzzling order now in force in that county is likely to be withdrawn.
  *MR. HANBURY: The last known case occurred in March last, but some suspicious cases have occurred at later dates. Having regard to the long period that may elapse before the disease is developed in an infected dog, it would be undesirable to withdraw the Order at present.

  NATIONAL COMPETITION OF SCHOOLS OF ART.
  MR. PEEL: I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education whether his attention has been drawn to the fact that the exhibition of the works of students in the National Competition of Schools of Art is held at the dead season of the year—between 26th July and 31st August—and in a temporary iron building at the end of a lane; and whether, in view of the public interest in the competition, he could make arrangements to have the works exhibited in a more suitable place and at a more convenient time.
  THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION (Sir J. GORST,: The exhibition is held at the time most convenient to art masters and teachers and art students, by whom it is very largely visited. The present structure, in which the exhibition has been held for the last ten years, is temporary; and ample accommodation will be provided in the buildings now being erected.

  SCHOOL EXEMPTIONS AT WALSALL.
  MR. FLYNN: I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee
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  of Council on Education whether he is aware that the Walsall School Board, at its meeting in July, granted a number of complete and partial exemptions illegal in character; and whether the Education Department propose to hold any inquiry or to take any stops to prevent this body from breaking its own bye-laws.
  SIR J. GORST: This question is still under investigation.

  PUBLIC REVENUE IN THE ISLE OF MAN.
  MR. H. D. GREENE: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury whether he can state what was the amount of net income, arising from the Crown lands and properties and from the working of the Post Office in the Isle of Man, received in the financial year ending in 1901, to what accounts these sums have been carried, or to what purpose applied; and whether there is any, and, if so, what, agreement or arrangement between the Government and the Isle of Man, and of what date, relating to the application of these funds respectively.
  THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN,: The net income arising from Crown lands in the Isle of Man in the year 1900–1 was £3,935. I am unable to state the amount of net income derived from the working of the Post Office in that island. There is no special agreement or arrangement between the Government and the Isle of Man respecting the application of these receipts. They form part of the general public revenue of the British Isles, and are dealt with under the provisions of the Acts of Parliament relating to the Crown lands and the Post Office, which Acts extend to the Isle of Man.

  BRITISH POSTAL ORDERS IN TURKEY.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that British postal orders are only obtainable at the British post office; at Constantinople, and are neither issued nor payable at the British post offices at

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  Salonica, Smyrna, or Damascus, and can he say what is the cause of the delay in carrying out the reform.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: At present the British post office at Constantinople is the only British post office in the Levant at which postal orders are obtainable. As the hon. Member has already been informed in this House, the question of extending the postal-order system to the British post office at Salonica, has been under consideration; and the Postmaster General hopes shortly to give postal-order facilities not only to Salonica but to Smyrna. There is no British post office at Damascus, but there is one at Beyrout, and when there is any sign of a demand for postal orders at Beyrout—which at present there is not—the question of supplying them to that office also shall be considered.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that the French post offices in Turkey issue money orders and bons de paste or postal orders payable at any post office in Prance at the same rate as in France, and seeing that, at the British post offices at Constantinople, Salonica, and Smyrna, 6d. commission is charged on a £1 money order to the United Kingdom, whilst the French post offices at Constantinople, Salonica, and Smyrna charge only twenty-five centimes or 2½d. on a £1 money order to the United Kingdom, will he take into consideration the reduction of the charges at these British post offices.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: It is the fact that the French post office charges its inland rates of commission on money orders and bons de poste issued at its post offices in the Levant, and the commission on a French money order for 25 francs is 25 centimes. The commission on a £1 money order at British post offices in the Levant is 6d.; but £1 can be remitted from the British post office at Constantinople by postal order for a commission of 2d., and the same facilities will exist at Salonica and Smyrna so soon as the extension referred to in my answer to the last question is carried out. In these circum-
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  BRITISH PARCELS POST IN TURKEY.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, having regard to the fact that the Austrian post offices in Turkey accept parcels of 11 lbs, or five kilogrammes for Great Britain at a charge of 2s., while the British post offices in Turkey charge 3s. for an exactly similar parcel to the same destination, whether he will state what steps he proposes to take.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The Postmaster General has no information concerning the amount of the postage charged on parcels for the United Kingdom at an Austrian post office in Turkey except that of Constantinople. At that office the postage is 12 piastres—equivalent to 2s.—on parcels of any weight up to the maximum of eleven pounds. The British post office offers a rate which is identical for the parcel of maximum weight, to which the hon. Member particularly refers, while on a seven pound parcel it is sixpence less, and on a three pound parcel only half the Austrian postage. It also offers a more expensive rate, hut this is for a quicker service.

  BRITISH AND GERMAN MONEY ORDER SYSTEM.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that, in the case of money orders drawn in England in favour of persons in Germany, it is unnecessary to write to the persons to whom they are addressed, because the German postal authorities take the money direct to the houses of the addressees and receive receipts; and whether he will introduce this practice in England if the German postal authorities supply evidence that the system works well both as regards telegraph and postal money orders.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The Postmaster General is aware of the arrangement referred to by the hon. Member. The question of introducing it

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  into the United Kingdom has already been fully considered in all its details, with the assistance of the German post office; and the Postmaster General is convinced that from the point of view of the public as well as of the Post Office the arrangement would be much less satisfactory than that which already obtains here.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATONasked whether the Postmaster General would give the system a trial.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: I understand that in the opinion of the advisers of the Postmaster General the difficulty of identification would be greater in this country than in Germany, where more is known about individuals, and money orders would miscarry and fail to reach the persons for whom they are intended.

  LONDON TELEPHONE SERVICE.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether any arrangement has been come to between the Government and the National Telephone Company for equal charges for telephones and telephone services in London; and whether the Government or the Postmaster General has now abandoned the intention to enter into competition with the National Telephone Company, as indicated in the speech of the late Secretary to the Treasury.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: Negotiations are in progress between the Post Office and the National Telephone Company with a view to secure the greatest possible facilities for telephone users in the London district, and in particular free intercommunication between all subscribers on either system within that area. These negotiations are not yet completed; and it is not possible for me to make any further statement upon them at present.

  NEW POSTAGE STAMPS.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he has inspected the red colour
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  penny stamps of the various colonies of the British Empire, most of which were manufactured by Messrs. De La Rue and Company; and can he say when a definite reply will he given to the petition of 200 Members of the House of Commons for the abolition of the present penny stamp, and the introduction of a royal scarlet or red colour penny stamp in this country.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The question of the colour of the new penny stamp is still under consideration, and it is not likely that a decision can be arrived at immediately.

  GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS AND FREE POSTAGE.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, in view of the fact that while all inspection notes, invoices, and letters addressed to the Army Clothing Department by contractors are post free, exactly similar documents to the Naval Store, Deptford, require to be post paid, whether he will take steps to remedy this difference.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The question of including the Naval Store, Deptford, in the list of Government departments entitled to receive correspondence free of postage is one for the Lords of the Admiralty, in conjunction with the Postmaster General, and no communication has been received on the subject.

  TELEGRAPH OFFICE GUARANTEES.
  COLONEL STOPFORD-SACKVILLE: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he can state on what basis the calculations are founded which operate to prevent the extension of telegraph offices except under guarantee; when were the Treasury regulations last revised, and can he give the number of telegraph guarantees now existing in England and Wales, distinguishing between those by private individuals and those by district and parish councils or meetings.
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  that the revenue to be derived from telegrams will cover the expenses there is generally speaking nothing to prevent the extension of the telegraphs. It is only where the estimated revenue is not sufficient that a guarantee is required. The amount of the guarantee is made up of a charge for interest on the cost of constructing the line, the annual cost for maintenance, and the payments to the sub-postmaster. The regulations were last revised in 1897, on the occasion of Her late Majesty's Diamond Jubilee, and the State then undertook for the first time to bear half the risk of every guarantee.

  DISMISSALS OF DISHONEST POSTMEN.
  MR. LOUGH: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he can state what is the number of established and unestablished postmen who were dismissed for dishonesty or on suspicion in the years 1897, 1898, 1899, and 1900.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The number of postmen dismissed on the charge of dishonesty during the years in question is as follows:—In 1897, 53 established and 46 unestablished postmen; in 1898, 52 established and 46 unestablished postmen; in 1899, 54 established and 45 unestablished postmen; in 1900, 72 established and 72 unestablished postmen.

  LAURENCEKIRK POSTMASTERSHIP
  MR. CROMBIE: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he will make an early appointment to the postmastership at Laurencekirk, which has been vacant since June, in view of the inconvenience caused to the public by having a post office employing eighteen subordinate officials without a head.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAINThe vacancy for a postmaster at Laurencekirk has been advertised in the weekly "Post Office Circular," and an appointment will be made as soon as all the applications from candidates have
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  INCOME TAX ABATEMENTS.
  MR. KENNEDY: I beg to ask Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware of the inconvenience caused to persons of small fixed incomes in having to make out each year in detail a statement of income before receiving the abatements of income tax to which they are entitled by law, and seeing that many persons, such as ladies and others unaccustomed to business, forfeit the abatements to which they are entitled sooner than face the annual ordeal of filling income tax forms, he will provide that in those cases wherein the right to abatement is once established, particularly under Schedules A and B, a simple declaration that the previous income has not increased be accepted by the Revenue authorities in proof of any further claims for abatements from the same person.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: In strictness the income tax laws require that a person whose income falls within the statutory limits of abatement should establish his claim to abatement year by year. But, as a matter of practice, when a title to abatement has once been established, the officers of the Board of Inland Revenue do, whenever practicable, dispense with a fresh formal claim from the same person during the next few years.

  EASTERN AND SOUTH AFRICA TELEGRAPH COMPANY.
  SIR EDWARD SASSOON: I beg to ask Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he would state the reasons which necessitated the conclusion of a fresh agreement with the Eastern and South Africa Telegraph Company for a prolonged period, based upon certain stipulations and subsidies, without waiting for the Report of the Cable Committee appointed for the special purpose of examining and reporting upon these very terms and conditions; also whether the omission of an expropriation clause on fair terms was intentional.
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  been delayed by protracted negotiations on points of detail, but its principle was accepted by His Majesty's Government and the Cape Government nearly a year before the Cable Committee was appointed.
  SIR EDWARD SASSOONput a question which was inaudible.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: On that point we are waiting for the opinion of the Cable Committee, which specially directed its attention to this point. I can express no opinion until we have their Report.

  LOCAL TAXATION IN SCOTLAND.
  MR. NICOL: I beg to ask the Lord Advocate whether he can state when the Royal Commission on Local Taxation will issue their Report for Scotland.
  *THE LORD ADVOCATE (Mr. A. GRAHAM MURRAY,: A definite date cannot be fixed, but it is hoped that the Report in question may be issued in the course of the autumn of this year.

  STORNOWAY ALLOTMENTS.
  MR. WEIR: I beg to ask the Lord Advocate, as representing the Secretary for Scotland, whether he is aware that a Return recently published shows that 117 applications have been made to the Stornoway parish council for allotments since 15th May, 1895, under Section 20 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1891; and, seeing that the whole of these applications have been refused, will he explain the cause.
  *MR. A. GRAHAM MURRAY: I am informed by the clerk to the parish council of Stornoway that the applications for allotments referred to by the hon. Member were refused on account of the proprietors not consenting to grant the land for that purpose. I also understand that the parish council made no application to the county council for compulsory powers.

  ALLOTMENTS IN ROSS-SHIRE.
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  for Scotland, seeing that an application made by the parish council of Kincardine, Ross-shire, under the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1894, Section 26, authorising land to be taken on lease compulsorily for allotments, was refused by the county council for Ross and Cromarty on 4th May, 1899, will he state the cause of the refusal.
  *MR. A. GRAHAM MURRAY: I am informed by the Local Government Board that the refusal of the county council of Ross and Cromarty to grant an order authorising the parish council of Kincardine to take land on lease compulsorily for allotments was the subject of an appeal to them in terms of Section 25 (5) of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1894. The Board made careful inquiry into the case, and induced the county council to reconsider their decision, but at this stage the circumstances had so altered as to convince the county council that they ought not to issue the order craved. The parish council of Kincardine, in view of the altered circumstances, intimated to the Board that they did not desire to press their appeal.

  TYRONE COUNTY COUNCIL OFFICIALS.
  MR. MURNAGHAN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the Tyrone County Council, shortly after its entrance to office, considered the claims of its assistant surveyors for increase of salaries, and decided on giving an increase of 25 per cent., that this action of the council received the sanction of the Local Government Board in September, 1899, and that at the bidding of the assistant surveyors and against the wish of the council the Local Government Board sent an inspector to Omagh last month to hold an inquiry into a matter settled and sanctioned in September, 1899; is he aware that the county council at the annual meeting in June last passed a resolution requesting the Local Government Board to allow it to hold half-yearly instead of quarterly meetings in future, and that in case the request is granted the duties of surveyors will be reduced to what they were under the old grand jury system, and will he direct the Board

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  to deal with the resolution in respect to half-yearly meetings before deciding the claims of assistant surveyors for still further increase.
  THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. WYNDHAM,: In August, 1899, the county council passed a resolution increasing the salaries of the assistant surveyors from £80 to £100 a year. These officers made no protest at the time, and the Local Government Board expressed its concurrence in the arrangements made, on the assumption that an agreement had been arrived at between the council and the assistant surveyors. The latter subsequently protested against the salary proposed, and as it was clear that no agreement had been, or was likely to be, arrived at, the Board was under a statutory obligation to determine the matter. The local inquiry has been held, but the inspector's report has not yet been received. In reply to the second paragraph, the Board has no power to reduce the statutory meetings of the council from four to two in each year. Under the Amended Procedure Order a council may arrange to make half-yearly payments to contractors, but under the Local Government (Application of Enactments) Order four quarterly meetings must be held in each year.
  MR. MURNAGHAN: Did the Local Government Board sanction the arrangement without examining it?
  MR. WYNDHAM: I have given a full account of the matter. No protest was entered, and the Local Government Board understood that the assistant surveyors had entered into a reasonable arrangement.

  IRISH BOARD OF EDUCATION—BOOK DEPARTMENT.
  MR. THOMAS O'DONNELL: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he has received resolutions from associations of teachers in which they state that the charges made against the management of the book store by Archbishop Walsh were correct, and the defence set forth in the memorandum incorrect; whether he is aware that several teachers not only have their
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  supplies delayed for months, but have forfeited the money and supplies, and whether, in view of these charges made against a public department, be will cause an inquiry to be held in order to ascertain what has become of this money.
  MR. WYNDHAM: I have received a number of resolutions to the effect stated in the first paragraph. The Commissioners, as I have already stated, have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the reports which have been made to them in this matter by their responsible officers on the condition of the book department. The Commissioners are quite prepared to investigate statements tending to impugn the correctness of these reports if they are supplied with facts and figures enabling them to do so.
  MR. THOMAS O'DONNELL: If I send the right hon. Gentleman specific cases, will he give an undertaking that they shall be investigated by the Commissioners and not merely by officials?
  MR. WYNDHAM: The hon. Gentleman cannot make me a court of appeal for the Board. They have stated they are prepared to consider any cases, and I should advise him to send them to the Board.

  MONAGHAN ASSISTANT COUNTY SURVEYORS.
  MR. DALY: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that, at a special meeting of the county council of Monaghan, it was resolved that deputies should be appointed to the assistant county surveyors, by which the duties of the assistant county surveyors would not be increased from the time of the grand jury, whether he can state if the county council of Monaghan appoint deputies to the assistant county surveyors, the Local Government Board will allow the salaries to remain at £80 per annum, as was paid to the assistant county surveyors during the time of the grand jury.
  MR. WYNDHAM: The hon. Member has sent me a copy of a resolution to the effect stated in the first paragraph. The question whether the county council is

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  legally empowered to appoint deputies to assistant surveyors, otherwise than in cases of illness, is one upon which I am not prepared to express an opinion without a fuller opportunity of examining the authorities. Perhaps the hon. Member will postpone the question until Thursday next. There are words in the Act which might be held to support the hon. Member's contention.

  CLAIMS FOR MALICIOUS INJURY AT OMAGH.
  MR. MURNAGHAN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware the number of claims for malicious injuries in the Omagh rural district is on the increase, and in excess of former years, and that the police, before the passage of the Local Government Act, used to inquire into the circumstances of each claim, and give evidence at presentment sessions and before the grand jury as to the result of the investigation; is this still a part of the duty of the Royal Irish Constabulary; and, if not, will he ask the police in Omagh to afford the same assistance as formerly in the investigation of claims for malicious injuries.
  MR. WYNDHAM: The number of claims for compensation for malicious injuries at the last Omagh quarter sessions was in excess of the number heard at the corresponding sessions of 1900, but there has been no increase in the amount of compensation awarded. In many of these cases the police were witnesses. They investigate every case, and give evidence when summoned as witnesses, either on behalf of county councils or applicants for compensation. The passage of the Local Government Act has made no alteration in their duty in this respect.

  MOUNTJOY CONVICT PRISON STAFF.
  MR. NANNETTI: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland if he is aware that discontent exists in Mount-joy Convict Prison, Dublin, among the officers and men employed there since the recent appointment of the present Principal Warder Murray; that this
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  official has treated both officers and prisoners with harshness; that, owing to the manner in which he acts, there has been an increase in the number of alleged breaches of the prison rules; and that, consequently, the governor's time is taken up in investigating complaints; whether he is aware that a warder named Barber, an officer of over eleven years service, has resigned owing to his treatment by Principal Warder Murray; and whether, seeing that this officer was appointed over the heads of more experienced and older officers in the service, if he will not cease to act in the manner complained of, he will be removed to some other prison.
  MR. WYNDHAM: No complaints have been made to the Prisons Board of the character mentioned in the first paragraph. There has been an increase in the number of breaches of prison rules, but this is not due to any action on the part of the principal warder. Very little of the governor's time is taken up in investigating these breaches. Barber's resignation was not due to the cause alleged. Hs resigned because he was aware that the Prisons Board would be obliged before long to recommend his discharge from the service. The principal warder has given satisfaction to the Board, who do not propose to remove him from Mountjoy.
  AN HON. MEMBER: Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that since this question was put down there have been very few complaints as to this warder? Will he see that this state of affairs continues?
  MR. WYNDHAM: I have no information.

  HOUSING OF IRISH FISHERMEN.
  MR. SHEEHAN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is prepared to give consideration to representations and to cause inquiries to be made regarding the housing of the fishermen of the south and west coast of Ireland, and whether the character of the houses in which these men live has been brought under his notice; and, seeing that the applications of fishermen for labourers' cottages have been uniformly rejected

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  by the Local Government Board, even when evidence has been adduced that they have devoted a portion of the year to agricultural work, he will state what steps it is proposed to take, either by amendment of the present Acts or the introduction of fresh legislation, to secure better dwellings for fishermen and for rural tradesmen and factory hands at present outside the scope of every enactment for the better housing of the working classes.
  MR. WYNDHAM: Under the existing Labourers Acts "fishermen "and" hand-loom weavers" who do agricultural work at any season of the year are included in the term "agricultural labourers," for whom cottages may be provided. It is not, I am informed, correct to say that applications of fishermen for cottages have been uniformly rejected by the Local Government Board. The question of the extension of the Housing of the Working Classes Act (which at present extends only to urban districts and towns under the jurisdiction of town commissioners) so as to include the cases of artisans and others living in towns and villages too small to support town commissioners is one that deserves, and is receiving, consideration. At present, however, I cannot make any more definite statement.

  LABOURERS' COTTAGE SCHEME AT MACROOM.
  MR. SHEEHAN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that, in the recent improvement scheme under the Labourers Acts promoted by the Mac-room Rural District Council, a labourer sent in a properly filled representation paper for a cottage on the lands of Mrs. Ellen Manning, Droumdrive, in the electoral division of Macloneah; that, though his present abode was pronounced unfit for human habitation, and that no objection was made to his claim for a cottage, his representation paper was never considered at the Local Government Board inquiry; and will he state whether his representation paper was mislaid in the offices of the Local Government Board, or what are the reasons why it was not considered in the ordinary course.
  MR. WYNDHAM: The scheme promoted by the district council contained no proposal to erect a cottage for this man, consequently his case was not considered at the inquiry.

  DAWRA COURT HOUSE.
  MR. M'GOVERN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland is he aware that the caretaker of Dawra court house, in the county of Cavan, refused to allow the members of the Enniskillen Rural District Council No. 2 to hold its last quarterly meeting in the petty sessions room, although the county council of the county of Cavan pays a rent of £10 a year for this house; and can he state whether the county council of a county or a district council is entitled to use the court house or petty sessions rooms for the transaction of their business when not required for the administration of justice.
  MR. WYNDHAM: Section 72, Sub-section 3, of the Local Government Act, 1898, provides that—
  "except so far as the sheriff, or the justices' may require for the administration of justice' or the discharge of his or their duties, the use of any court house, sessions house, or other county building under his or their custody or control, the county council may use the same for the purpose of the execution of their duties."
  The county council is thus entitled to the use of the court house or sessions house for the execution of its duties when the same can in the judgment of the sheriff or justices be done without interference with the administration of justice. The district councils have no right to the use of any court house or sessions house.

  TRIM UNION FINANCE.
  MR. KENNEDY: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the debit and credit balances found to exist by the adjusting auditor under the Local Government (Ireland) Act, 1898, between the several divisions of the Trim Union, were the growth of many years, seeing that one division had a credit balance of 2s. and another a debit balance of 1s. 10½d., while the poor rate

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  in the standard year was only 1s. 6d., and having regard to the fact that the Local Government Board Auditor was bound in each half-yearly audit to see that each poor law division contributed its due proportion of union expenditure, will he state whether this was done, and, if not, whether ho will inquire who is responsible for a system of accounts which has caused hardship to ratepayers who were obliged to bear the whole of those debit balances, half of which the landlords would have been obliged to allow the tenant if levied when due by the several divisions previous to the passing of the said Act.
  MR. WYNDHAM: Considerable research would be needed to determine whether the balances were the growth of years. It was the auditor's duty to see that the proper proportion of receipts and expenditure was charged in each half-year to each electoral division in accordance with statutory requirements. That duty was properly discharged. The auditor was under no responsibility to see that each electoral division contributed its due proportion towards the general expenditure of the union. This lies entirely within the competence of the guardians for decision by them when preparing the estimate of rates to be levied. It seems that, in the case of the Trim Union, the former board of guardians failed to assess their proper contribution on certain electoral divisions, while they appear to have placed an unduly high assessment on others.

  ISLAND MORE.
  MR. DUFFY: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the ratepayers of Island More, in Lough Derg, appeared before the Borrisakane Board of Guardians, on the passing of the Local Government Act into law, requesting that they might be incorporated in the Borrisakane Union; and that the application was considered by the Local Government Board, who decided on leaving the question to the decision of the North Tipperary and Clare County Councils; whether any steps have since been taken to bring the matter under the notice of these bodies;
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  and, seeing that the people on this island have recently been made responsible for a loan in connection with the Scariff water work's scheme, whether he will make provision in the amending Local Government Act to remedy their alleged grievance.
  MR. WYNDHAM: The facts appear to be as stated in the first paragraph. The Board is not aware that any action has since been taken in the matter by either of the councils mentioned. It is open to the ratepayers on the island to renew their application, and the provisions of the existing law are sufficient to enable the question of the transfer of the island to the Borrisakane Union to be dealt with, without recourse to further legislation.
  MR. ROCHEput a question which was inaudible; and Mr. WYNDHAM said that if the islanders made another application the whole subject would be inquired into.

  SPEARSTOWN NATIONAL SCHOOL.
  MR. JORDAN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether, as the Spearstown National School, county Donegal, was on the Roll of the Com missioners of Education for thirty-two years, and as there have been exceptional cases in which the Commissioners have made grants to schools having an average of thirteen or less, and seeing that the motion to strike this school off the roll was carried by only a majority of two, will he consider this case, and recommend the Commissioners to make an exceptional grant; and whether, seeing that the teacher had a clean record for thirty-two years, and that in a few months ho would have been entitled to his full pension, will he, considering all the circumstances of the case, recommend the Commissioners to grant him his full pension.
  MR. WYNDHAM: I cannot undertake to intervene in the allocation of grants to schools by the National Board. I have referred the question of according a full pension to that body for its observations.

  CAVAN COURT HOUSE.
  MR. M'GOVERN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland is he aware that the agent to the Earl of Clanricarde, who is high sheriff for the county of Cavan, on 1st July, without notice, broke open the door of the room in the court house which has been used by the finance committee of the county council for its meetings and by the secretary of the county council for his private office, removed the papers therein, and put a lock of his own on it; and, on same date, took possession of a room which the Cavan Urban Council has used as an office and for its meetings since 1854; did the late secretary of the Cavan grand jury always use the room in which the finance committee transacted its business as a private office; and as neither of those rooms was required for the use of the judges or bar in discharge of their duties, do the Government intend to take any notice of this gentleman's conduct or make any change in the law, so that county councils in Ireland shall have full control over the court houses which have been built and maintained at the expense of the ratepayers, except when required at assizes or quarter sessions.
  MR. WYNDHAM: This question has been referred to the high sheriff for his observations, but, so far, they have not been received. I am unable, therefore, to reply to the several queries in reference to the matters of fact put to me in the question. The custody of assize and quarter sessions courts is vested in the sheriff, and prima facie he has a right to determine when they may be used for purposes other than the administration of justice. In the absence of the information referred to it would be premature to say whether or not he exercised that right wisely in the present instance. For the reasons given in the discussion in Committee on Clause 72 of the Local Government Act, 1898, the Government do not consider it expedient to alter the existing law.
  MR. M'GOVERN: Does the right hon. Gentleman expect to get the information I have asked for?
  MR. WYNDHAM: I hope so.
  MR. FLAVIN: What right has a high sheriff to seize any chamber in which a county council keeps its books and papers?
  MR. WYNDHAM: These buildings are vested in the high sheriff, and it is for him to determine to what extent they are needed for the conduct of public business by the county council or any other body. It is a matter for his discretion, and if the county council are not satisfied they must appeal to the Lord Lieutenant.
  MR. FLAVIN: Does the right hon. Gentleman say the high sheriff has absolute power of taking possession?

  IRISH ORDNANCE SURVEY.
  MR. MOORE: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he can state the amount received by the Ordnance Survey Department in Ireland in respect of lands surveyed by them for the purposes of proceedings in the Land Judge's Court during the year ending 1900–1901, how many estates were so surveyed in the same period, in how many cases did they act for the vendors of lands being sold through the Land Commission, are the staff employed in survey work in receipt of their ordinary Royal Engineers pay, and to what credit is the amount received by them for survey work carried; and, as this survey is carried out by the officials of one State department under the control of a second to meet the requirements of a third, will he consider if the services can be rendered at their actual cost to the State.
  *MR. HANBURY: The amount received for work in connection with the Land Judge's Court was £3,555; the number of estates surveyed as mentioned was seventy-two; the number of estates surveyed for the Purchase Department of the Land Commission was nineteen (at a cost of £832). These sums are credited to the Appropriation-in-Aid. No Royal Engineers are employed on these surveys. The work is charged for at cost price.

  RABIES IN IRELAND.
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  in view of the few cases of rabies which occurred in Ireland lately, he will remove the restrictions existing which prevent dogs from passing between England and Ireland and vice versa.
  *MR. HANBURY: A case occurred in Westmeath so recently as last April, and until Ireland has been free from any detected case of rabies for a much longer period than four months I cannot undertake to remove the existing restrictions.
  AN HON. MEMBER: Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the injustice done last season to a considerable number of greyhound owners, particularly in the north of Ireland? Cannot the right hon. Gentleman remove the restrictions for the coming season?
  *MR. HANBURY: I cannot undertake to remove any restrictions at the risk of reintroducing the disease.
  MR. LOUGH: Are not sporting dogs exempt from the restrictions?
  *MR. HANBURY: No, not generally.
  MR. FIELD: Is the right hon. Gentleman aware there have been no outbreaks of the disease for several months past?
  *MR. HANBURY: There have been two already this year.

  CORK AND FERMOY RAILWAY.
  MR. FLYNN: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury whether he can state the cause of the delay in publishing the correspondence between the Fishguard and Rosslare Railway Company and the Treasury upon the proposed withdrawal of the company's pledge to construct the Cork and Fermoy Railway.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: I am not aware that there was any delay. The last letter in the correspondence is dated the 26th July; the Papers were moved for on the same day, and issued on the 3rd of this month.
  MR. JOHN REDMOND: Is it not the fact that the letters, which were asked for a considerable time beforehand, were not issued until a fortnight or three weeks after the debate?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: If the hon. Member will refer to what took place he will find that is hardly a correct account of what took place. I did not actually promise the Papers, but I said I would consider whether anything could be done, but it was desirable that when correspondence was laid on the Table it should be complete.
  MR. T. M. HEALY: Have there been any other communications since the publication?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: I have had a simple acknowledgment from the railway company of the receipt of the last letter included in the batch.

  ROYAL CANAL, IRELAND.
  MR. KENNEDY: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury whether he will lay upon the Table a copy of the Report to the Irish Board of Works recently made on the condition of the Royal Canal by an inspector of that Board.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The report in question was a confidential report to the Board by one of the Board's inspectors, and it would be contrary to the usual practice in such cases to lay it upon the Table. The Board of Works has directed the Midland and Great Western Company's attention to the defects which exist, and has called upon them to take immediate steps to carry out the necessary works of maintenance and repair.
  MR. KENNEDY: Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Report of 1894 was published?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: I am not aware of that, and I do not think it is desirable to publish it.
  MR. KENNEDY: Will the hon. Gentleman show me a copy of the Report?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: I will look at it first.

  PROMOTION IN ARMAGH POST OFFICE.
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  Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, if he can state what is the principle of preferment which obtains at the Armagh post office; whether he is aware that a member of the staff, withdrawn over two years ago for special duty, was recently brought back and given the supervisorship with an extra weekly allowance, and again withdrawn, so that ho is now in receipt of two sets of allowances, while his work at Armagh is performed by another man who receives nothing, and whether he will state what amount has been expended in this case by way of special allowances; whether he is aware that at the Armagh post office no Roman Catholic has ever got a single step beyond the initial grade; and whether he will see that the disabilities in the matter of promotion under which Roman Catholic servants of the post office labour will be abolished.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: In all cases of promotion the officer who is considered to be best qualified for the vacant position is chosen. It is a fact that a member of the Armagh staff was temporarily withdrawn from that office in December, 1898, for special duty in a surveyor's office, and that when the supervisorship at Armagh became vacant he was chosen to fill it as being the officer best qualified for the post. Ho took up the appointment at Armagh in July. 1900, but in April last his services were again temporarily required in the surveyor's office, where a great pressure of work existed. According to rule, his substitute cannot be paid a supervising allowance until he has been acting for his superior officer for more than nine months. The supervising allowance is 4s. a week, and an allowance of 3s. 6d. a day for subsistence is paid to the officer who is absent from his head-quarters. The religion of post office servants at Armagh or elsewhere is not a matter with which the Postmaster General is concerned, or which is allowed to enter into questions of promotion.
  MR. JOHN CAMPBELL: Will the hon. Gentleman be good enough to answer the latter part of the question. How much has been expended in the way of special allowances?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: There was a supervising allowance of 4s.
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  a week, and a subsistence allowance of 3s. 6d. per day when the officer was away from headquarters.
  MR. JOHN CAMPBELL: Has a single Roman Catholic ever been preferred?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: The Postmaster General declines to inquire as to the religion of any member of the postal staff.

  BELFAST POSTAL ARRANGEMENTS—SUNDAY DELIVERIES.
  MR. THOMAS O'DONNELL: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he will permit one delivery of letters in Belfast on Sundays, as is the case in other Irish cities, having regard to the fact that the practice of giving letters at the office to those who call for them at times leads to fraud and compels the clerks to be present, and that the postmen would prefer to deliver letters on Sundays so as to lesson their burden for the following day.
  MR. WILLIAM JOHNSTON: Has the Belfast Corporation suggested any change?
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: In accordance with the general practice of the Post Office in such matters, the Postmaster General would not be prepared to alter the existing arrangements at Belfast on Sundays unless application for a change were made or supported by the city authorities, as representing the wish of the majority of resident inhabitants. No intimation has reached him from the Belfast Corporation of any desire on their part for an alteration, and he does not propose therefore to take any steps in the matter.

  NAVAN POST OFFICE.
  MR. KENNEDY: I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that suitable premises can now be obtained for a post office at Navan, county Meath; and whether he will expedite the steps necessary to acquire the same before the opportunity is lost by those premises passing into other hands.
  MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAIN: Negotiations are in progress for the purchase of a site for a new post office at Navan, but if the owner of the premises to which the hon. Member calls attention is prepared to give the Postmaster General reasonable time for inquiry, it may be practicable to acquire them.

  IRISH PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION.
  MR. COCHRANE: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether his attention has been called to the latest Census Returns, which show that the population of Scotland is slightly in excess of that of Ireland, and that, whereas Scotland is represented in this House by seventy-two members, the number of members returned by constituencies in Ireland is 103; and whether the Government will appoint a Select Committee during next session to inquire into the whole of the circumstances, and report what steps should be taken to remove this inequality.
  THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,: It is a fact, as my hon. friend states, that the population of Scotland is now slightly in excess of the population of Ireland, but, curiously enough, I find that the male population of Ireland is slightly in excess of the male population in Scotland. I do not know whether my hon. friend would regard that as an argument for female suffrage. The anomalies in our electoral system are grave and undoubted, but whether a Select Committee would be the proper method, or machinery, for finding a remedy is very doubtful. I cannot give my hon. friend any promise as to that part of the question.

  IRISH STATE MSS.
  SIR THOMAS ESMONDE: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury if he will consider the question of the appointment of an Irish Record Commission and an Irish Historical Manuscripts Commission, with a view to the publication of Irish State papers and Irish historical manuscripts in similar proportion to the publication of similar documents in England.
  MR. A. J. BALFOURwas understood to reply that this was a matter on which the English Commission had better be consulted.
  SIR THOMAS ESMONDE: Who is the Irish representative on the Commission?
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I am afraid I must ask for notice of that. I will try and answer on Monday.
  MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: Will the right hon. Gentleman direct the Chief Secretary to give an opportunity of examining the historical papers which are not to be published?
  [No answer was returned.]

  TEACHERS' TENURE BILL.
  DR. MACNAMARA: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether he will put down the Teachers' Tenure Bill as an early Order on Monday or Tuesday, with the view to ascertain whether or not it can be passed into law this session by common agreement.
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I cannot give this Bill an early place on Monday or Tuesday. So far as my inquiries into the matter have gone, they lead me to the conclusion that it is a Bill which will excite a great deal more controversy than it is possible to deal with in the course of the present session.

  TELEGRAPH VOTE—PACIFIC CABLE.
  MR. HENNIKER HEATON: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury, in view of the fact that the Estimates for the telegraph and telephone services of this country for the current year have not yet been submitted to the House for discussion, and a loss of over half a million a year is now incurred in the telegraph service, whether he can see his way to provide for a discussion regarding this loss, and also on the telephone service, on the Appropriation Bill.
  SIR EDWARD SASSOON: Will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to name a day for the discussion of the policy of the Government on the Pacific Cable question.
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: In answer to both questions I have to say I am afraid I cannot give any special facilities for the discussions asked for. May I add, I have never yet known a discussion in Supply with regard to the telegraph service end in a diminution of the public charge in respect of that service.

  THE COMMISSION ON COAL.
  MR. D. A. THOMAS: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury if he can state when the results of the investigation by the Geological Survey at South Kensington will be made known, and whether the delay in the appointment of the Commission on Coal is attributable to the intention of the Government to await the result of that investigation before deciding that any public object is to be gained by an inquiry.
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I must ask that this question be addressed to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who has taken charge of this matter. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will put it down for Monday.

  BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
  MR. LOUGH: I wish to put a question with regard to the Orders of the Day. I do not know whether the First Lord intends to take them in the order in which they are printed, because I may point out that the first is the Local Government Board (Ireland) Vote, which was discussed the other night, and if the debate on that is to be resumed it will shut out discussion on other Reports of Supply which have not yet been dealt with. Cannot the right hon. Gentleman under the circumstances postpone the first Order?
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I have no particular objection if it can be unanimously done, but I do not think it would be worth while debating a motion to do that. With regard to other business, I think it desirable to put down as the second Order on Monday, after the Royal Titles Bill, the Pacific Cable Bill, and to postpone, until its passage, the further consideration of the Factory and Workshops Bill.
  MR. O'SHAUGHNESSYasked the First Lord of the Treasury
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  when the Sale of Intoxicating Liquors to Children Bill would be taken.
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: It stands next after the Factories Bill on Monday.
  LORD BALCARRES: I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury if he can make any statement about affording facilities for the passing of certain non-contentious private Bills in which substantial progress has already been made.
  MR. A. J. BALFOUR: Perhaps the noble Lord will ask me this question on Monday or Tuesday.

  MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
  That they have agreed to Militia and Yeomanry Bill, with Amendments.

  EAST INDIA REVENUE ACCOUNTS.
  Ordered, That the several Accounts and Papers which have been presented to the House in this session of Parliament relating to the Revenues of India be referred to the consideration of a Committee of the Whole House.
  Resolved, That this House will, upon Tuesday next, resolve itself into the said Committee.—(Secretary Lord George Hamilton.)

NEW BILLS.
  CLUBS REGISTRATION (SCOTLAND).
  Bill for the registration and regulation of clubs in Scotland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. Cameron Corbett, Mr. Law, and Mr. John Wilson (Glasgow).
  CLUBS REGISTRATION (SCOTLAND) BILL.
  "For the registration and regulation of clubs in Scotland," presented, and read the first time; to be read a second time upon Wednesday next, and to be printed. [Bill 290.]

  SUNDAY TRADING (SCOTLAND).
  Bill for the regulation and control of Sunday Trading in Scotland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. Cameron Corbett,

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  Mr. Law, Mr. John Wilson (Glasgow), and Mr. Hunter Craig.

  SUNDAY TRADING (SCOTLAND) BILL.
  "For the regulation and control of Sunday Trading in Scotland," presented, and read the first time; to be read a second time upon Wednesday next, and to be printed. [Bill 291.]

  SUPPLY [8TH AUGUST]—REPORT.
  [23RD ALLOTTED DAY.]
  Resolutions reported—

  SUPPLY [8TH AUGUST]—REPORT.
    CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES, 1901–2.

      Class II.
      1. "That a sum, not exceeding £40,182, be granted to His Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1902, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Local Government Board in Ireland."
      MR. LOUGHsaid he understood there was a general agreement that the first Order should be postponed and other Reports of Supply dealt with. He would move accordingly.
      MR. DILLON: Is the motion to adjourn the first Report of the 8th August until the second Order has been disposed of? That is what I understood.
      *MR. SPEAKER: The suggestion is that the first Order of the day be postponed.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: Probably it is my fault, but I do not perfectly apprehend what the hon. Gentleman wants.
      MR. LOUGH: What we want is to discuss the salary of the right hon. the Colonial Secretary.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: As I have stated to the House, I propose to take the Votes in Classes 1 and 2 in their natural order.
      MR. LOUGH: The right hon. Gentleman said that if there was any expression of opinion on the part of the House as to the order in which the Reports might be taken, it would be agreeable to him.
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I believe that was the understanding.
      *MR. SPEAKER: If the House wishes to proceed with the second Report, that can be done by agreeing with the first Report.
      MR. LOUGH: I do not think so. We have to go through all the Orders on the Paper.
      MR. LLOYD-GEORGE: I am afraid that it would be impossible to agree to all the items accepted yesterday.
      MR. MACARTNEY: I want the Report on the Votes for Ireland to be taken.
      Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."
      MR. DALYsaid it seemed a scandal that the county councils, which supplied the money for the upkeep of the court houses in Ireland should not have a word to say in regard to their management. In the county of Armagh Lord Clanricarde was a candidate for the county council, and was defeated, but he managed to be elected high sheriff, and with his defeat at a popular election rankling in his mind he did his best to cause inconvenience to the county council during his year's tenure of office. He hoped that some arrangement would be come to by which the friction existing at present would be avoided. The county councils wore just as anxious as the high sheriffs to accommodate the judges who came on assize. He complained that when the Local Government Act was passed, in 1898, the standard year selected was 1896, in which the smallest poor rate and county cess had been struck for the previous ten years. It was suggested that hon. members who came from Ireland talked rubbish, that their opinions were not to be considered, that the

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      right hon. Gentleman had to take all his instructions from the Castle. The right hon. Gentleman was in this House for six months in the year, and it was not to be expected that he would understand all the difficult questions with regard to the management of Ireland. The right hon. Gentleman was doing his best, but he had to receive from his officials in Dublin their reports, and inasmuch as those officials had generally been indicted in this House it was not surprising that in their reports they should endeavour to put the best face upon these matters. He thought with regard to the matter of court houses there might be some give and take, and that the right hon. Gentleman might be able to find some way by which the wretched feud which was going on at the present time between the high sheriffs and the county councils should be brought to an end. The county councils and the district councils of Ireland were doing their business splendidly—a fact which spoke to the good character of the men who composed them, having regard to the fact that they had never occupied such a position before—but they had not been encouraged in their work by the Local Government Board.
      It was really an extraordinary thing that the Local Government Board, who could know nothing of the wants of any district, except through information supplied from the reports of county surveyors, invariably threw over the recommendations of the local bodies of those districts. In the case of the county council of Tyrone, which was a Unionist county council, that county council considered 25 per cent. was a sufficient increase in the salary of the county surveyor, but their action had not in any way been supported by the Local Government Board. From the moment that the Local Government Act was pissed, the milk of human kindness began to flow in the breast of the Local Government Board, with a corresponding enormous increase in the rates. There had to be assistant nurses in the workhouses, and holidays given to the doctors, and everything that could be thought of in order to increase the rates upon the people. What was the reason? Simply that the increase in the rates should
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      be such that the people would say, "We have now local government and our own people at the head of affairs, but the rates were far less heavy when we had the old Tories over us." That was the idea of the Local Government Board. None of these things were ever thought of when the gentry and the landlords ruled these matters, and paid their share, but directly these popular bodies came into existence the Local Government Board at once found it necessary to employ assistant trained nurses and improve the dietary of the unions. It was all very well to say that the cost was two-fifths of a penny increase for the salaries, but what was the cost of the dietary? The cost of dietary in the workhouses under the old rule was 3s. 10d., but since the local bodies had come into being, through the instrumentality of the Local Government Board it had risen to 5s., so that, although the increase in the salaries of the officers was only two-fifths of a penny, in regard to the dietary it was 25or30per cent.
      It was not only the increase of salaries which made the increase of rates, but the general conduct of the Local Government Board in interfering in every department with the management of the public bodies in Ireland. The action of the Local Government Board was to endeavour to make local government in Ireland as difficult as possible. In the debate of the previous evening it had been stated that the dispensary doctors were not independent enough or quick enough in reporting upon insanitary areas. There was no foundation fo such a statement, because it had been conclusively proved that the delay in these matters occurred after they had passed the local guardians. It was the Local Government Board inspectors who were entirely responsible for this delay; there was not the slightest reason for saving that the medical officer neglected his duty, because it had been conclusively proved that the delay took place after his report was made. The delay in deciding whether labourers' cottages should be erected in a certain locality was certainly not the result of the action of the medical officers.
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      county councils should come together, and come to an easier working arrangement, ho would certainly, as soon as he got back to Ireland, see what could be done in that regard. He would see if it were not possible to make the books easier, and submit to the Local Government Board a scheme for an easier form of making out the accounts, which would not be antagonistic to the Local Government Board, but would be submitted merely for the purpose of making the Act work more smoothly, and simplifying a great many matters where friction occurred at times between the Local Government Board and county councils. The right hon. Gentleman had stated that the local bodies had been dilatory in coming to arrangements, but he pointed out that after the Local Government Act was passed the county councils were called together three times a week to consider the most trifling and frivolous questions raised by the Local Government Board. He trusted the right hon. Gentleman, considering the views of hon. members in connection with these matters, would give them his attention. With regard to the labourers' cottages, the less delay and expense there was in erecting labourers' cottages the better for the labourers and the rates, and if the Local Government Board could see their way to get these schemes through it would enable the labourers to have cheap and sanitary houses. With regard to appeals which had been lodged against any scheme for the erection of cottages, he had never known a case where the costs had been given against the appellant; but they were always against the rates, and he contended that if, when appeals were lost, the appellant had to pay the costs, it would go a long way to prevent many frivolous appeals being brought. He also was of opinion that if county council officials were made the tribunals before whom these arbitrations were brought, instead of the Local Government Board inspectors, a great deal of the present delay would disappear, and the result would be beneficial to all concerned.
      MR. MACARTNEYcongratulated the right hon. Gentleman upon the policy he had inaugurated with regard to improved nursing and dietary in the work-
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      houses of Ireland. There was no doubt that in many places in Ireland too scant a regard had been paid by the guardians to the paupers under their care, and he was surprised to hear the hon. Gentleman who had just sat down use his position in this House to turn the right hon. Gentleman from the course which he had adopted.
      MR. DALYdisclaimed any such intention, and explained that the point which he endeavoured to make was that the Local Government Board did not see the necessity for these things until the landlords of Ireland ceased to bear half the cost. He had no objection to improved nursing.
      MR. MACARTNEYsaid it was more than twenty years since the landlords of Ireland exercised any control over these matters, but he accepted the explanation of the hon. Gentleman, and withdrew the charge he had made against him, that he advocated a less generous treatment of the poor so far as professional skilled nursing was concerned. The right hon. Gentleman had met, he believed, a grievance which existed in the administration of the poor law system by the most reasonable means, and all classes in Ireland had given their support to its being properly carried out, not only with regard to nursing but in the general administration of the poor law, and if it was not properly carried out there would be reason for much regret.
      The matter he desired to call attention to had been much dwelt upon in the discussion on the previous evening—the administration of the Labourers Acts. The right hon. Gentleman had stated that the delays which had occurred had not been the result of the action of the Local Government Board. He was afraid that that was not so. He quite agreed that representations coming from the country required most careful scrutiny, and the amount of objection made to any particular representation entailed a great deal of correspondence and occupied a great deal of time at the central office, but he did not refer to districts from which representations had been sent embracing a large number of cottages. He referred to cases where the number of cottages rarely exceeded six. There was

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      a case in the area of the Antrim District Council where the representation was made in 1900; the Local Government Board inspector looked into the matter in January, 1901, and it was not until July this year that hon. Gentlemen were able to see the Report made six months after the holding of the inquiry. He could not understand why such a delay should have occurred in a case; where not more than six houses were required. That was one instance of several cases of delay to which his attention had been called, and he invited his right hon. friend to say whether he would look into those matters in the recess, and see for himself whether there had or had not been rather longer time occupied by the Local Government Board inspectors in making out their reports and the authorities in Dublin coming to a decision upon those reports. It had the effect of making the people of Ireland distrust the legislation which this House provided for the benefit of the labourer, and also of raising a hostile feeling in certain classes of the population which he did not think was to the benefit of Ireland, and which should not be allowed to continue. He thought that some of the boards of guardians had been distinctly short-sighted in the way in which they had dealt with these representations, which, however, had been extremely moderate in their character. After all, it was only in order that the labourers should be kept upon the farms, and it was obvious that if a labourer in the country was not well housed he would go to the towns, where he could be better housed and get better wages. It was in the interest of the ratepayers and the farmers themselves that where representations were moderate and where there was reasonable ground they should deal with those representations in a generous and just manner He desired also to call attention to the action of the Balmeny District Council which it appeared to him could not be justified under the Act, although no doubt their only desire was to economise This year there was a representation made to the district council which they declined to entertain, and the person making the representation appealed to the Local Government Board and asked them to inquire into the conduct of the board of guardians. The only reply to that
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      appeal was a reply acknowledging the letter and enclosing a minute stating that it was not thought desirable to build one house in a certain locality, and that the consideration of the representation had been deferred until other representations were made. The point he desired to make was that the representation was based on one of three grounds; either that the existing house accommodation was insufficient, or that the house was unsafe, or that it was unfit for human habitation through being in a bad state of repair. Boards of guardians were not entitled, even from motives of economy, to hang up indefinitely representations of this character. It was contrary to the whole spirit of the Act. Nor was the action of the Local Government Board in the matter at all satisfactory. The man was told he had a right of appeal, but all the satisfaction he obtained from the Local Government Board was a blue printed form telling that which he already knew, namely, the decision of the board of guardians. To the labourers in the district it would appear that the benefits Parliament had designed in their interests were by the action of the boards of guardians and the Local Government Board rendered absolutely nugatory.
      Another point to which the Chief Secretary might direct his attention was the number of printed forms which had to be filled up by the district councils in connection with these Acts. Many of the forms were really unnecessary, and if they were abolished some economy—he did not say it would amount to very much—would be effected. In connection with this question of labourers' cottages, he was glad to say that district councils were beginning to move with a certain amount of reasonable rapidity, but he hoped the Chief Secretary would look into the case to which he had referred, because unless a district council was able to satisfy the Local Government Board that it had reason to anticipate additional representations in the immediate future, and even the representation of a single man, if well founded, should be dealt with by the Local Government Board and the guardians.
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      Irish members were taking such a keen interest in all the details of local government. They were bringing all their grievances forward for discussion in the House of Commons in order that they might obtain a fuller and more complete control over their own affairs. The people of Ireland were in a very different position from the inhabitants of England in this matter. In England the Local Government Board, which controlled the county councils and other local bodies, had direct representation in the House of Commons in the persons of two Ministers responsible for the administration of that particular Department. In regard to Ireland, however, there was only one Minister responsible for the whole of the government of that country, and who, consequently, could not have that intimate detailed knowledge of local government possessed by the President of the Local Government Board in England.
      THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. WYNDHAM,: I am President of the Local Government Board in Ireland.
      SIR WALTER FOSTERpointed out that the President of the Irish Local Government Board was also Chief Secretary, and responsible for all departments, whereas the President of the English Board was responsible only for that one department. The consequence was that in Ireland the greater part of the central control had to be left to permanent officials. Such a system was bound to break down, not because the permanent officials were not competent, but because, as local authorities developed, it could not be expected that large representative bodies would submit to have their decision over-ruled and controlled by permanent paid officials at Dublin Castle. The men had not yet been created who, as permanent officials, could, with success, rule large representative bodies. Sooner or later such a system must produce friction. These bodies would resent, and, he thought, properly resent, such control. It was not possible for a system of local government, based on the broadest representation, as was the case in Ireland, to continue to be controlled by a small body of permanent officials. Up to the present those permanent
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      officials had, he thought, done their work very well, but in doing that work they were bound to have recourse to the almost innumerable forms of which complaint had been made. Printed forms were necessary to lessen correspondence. Unless some means were devised by which some central and representative body in Ireland was given control over the local bodies which had been created, the time of the House would be more and more occupied with the details of Irish self-government. All through the session question after question had been asked with regard to details which, apparently trivial in themselves, were of great interest to the localities affected, and those questions wore bound to go on increasing as the people of Ireland took more interest in local government. By the Act of 1898 an enormous burden of work had been created for the House of Commons, which, sooner or later, must inevitably lead to some change in the system, and to an extension of representative control over local affairs in Ireland, which, he believed, was the only key to successful management of local government. If all these details were to be repeated session after session the House of Commons was bound to break down under the burden, and some system of devolution would have to be found by which questions could be settled in the country in which they arose. The local government system tended to bring that about, and at the same time it was developing men capable of carrying on the local government of Ireland. One of the great merits of county councils was that they were training a body of men in local government to take a higher and wider sphere. He believed that sooner or later it would dawn on the minds even of those who were most opposed to what used to be called Home Rude that the best system that could be devised was to extend the principle of devolution, and give to the Irish people a larger control than they now possessed over their own local affairs.
      MR. MURNAGHANthought the county council of Tyrone had reason to complain of the system of the Local Government Board in fixing the salaries of officials. Three months

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      after the county council took office the question of salaries was considered, and it was decided to increase the salaries of the assistant surveyors by 25 per cent., from £80 to £100. The next month a communication was received from the Local Government Board sanctioning the increased salaries, without the slightest suggestion being made that the sums were too small. Things went on for about a year, and the Local Government Board then came to the conclusion that they would arrange a scale of salaries for assistant surveyors for the whole country, the amount ranging from £120 to £150 or £160. It was not until that scale was formulated that the county council of Tyrone had any intimation that the assistant surveyors refused to accept the amount fixed the year before. The Local Government Board made a mistake in sanctioning the salaries in the first place without ascertaining whether they were the result of an arrangement agreed to by both parties; but, having sanctioned them, they should not have gone back on their decision. The whole tendency of the central body was to create friction between the officials and the local bodies. The Board set themselves up as the friends of the officers, and naturally the officers looked to the central body for assistance, and did not exhibit proper respect for the bodies by whom they were appointed and paid. The county council endeavoured to do the thing fairly, having regard both to the interests of the ratepayers and to the increase of the work. But even now the assistant surveyors had time to act as private engineers or architects, and they had actually put out their signs asking for private practice. Why should these men, who were paid good salaries, interfere with the legitimate work of gentlemen in private practice? He also hoped the Chief Secretary would give full consideration to the resolution of the county council in respect to half-yearly instead of quarterly meetings, before deciding the claims of assistant surveyors for further increases. The effect of having half-yearly meetings would be to put things as they were before the passing of the Act, and would take away from the assistant surveyors any claim for increases at all. He was pleased to see the interest taken in these matters by the Unionist representatives,
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      but Ulster members need not put forward the statement that dispensary doctors were indifferent on the question of labourers' cottages because they feared to incur the displeasure of members of the district council. Ratepayers in Antrim would not be liable to any increase of rate on account of labourers' cottages being built for the next twenty or fifty years, because there was a surplus to the credit of that county sufficient to build at least 200 cottages free of all cost to the ratepayers. The same might be said of any county in Ulster. With regard to additional inspectors, the great curse of Ireland was "over-officialism." The country was bled to death by officials, who sucked up everything that was good, leaving only the bad. If the Chief Secretary did anything at all, it would be well if he deported the inspectors from Ireland altogether. The officials found fault simply to justify their existence. As an illustration the hon. Member instanced the case of the Omagh Board of Guardians, in connection with which the relieving officer was surcharged 8s. in respect of outdoor relief, because the chairman of the board had not initialled the grant. Many other instances of the manner in which the inspectors did their work might be given. He himself offered to the Omagh board a site for six cottages, as there was a difficulty in securing convenient land, but the Local Government Board inspector actually refused the site without ever going on the land. Surely the Chief Secretary did not think that was a proper way in which to adminster the Act? He regretted having taken up so much time, but, as these matters came under his own observation, he thought he was only doing his duty in bringing them forward.
      *DR. THOMPSONsaid one or two matters of importance had arisen during the debate which he desired to bring before the House. One of them was the nursing question. He quite agreed with what had been said on this question by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Ilkeston, that it was a subject of the greatest importance. He thought that the nursing order of the Local Government Board had done a great deal of damage to some of the smaller hospitals which, before it was issued, were engaged

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      in training nurses. There was one small hospital in the north of Ireland with which he was connected which had been engaged in training nurses for the last twenty years; he referred to the Tyrone Hospital. The Local Government Board had recently brought forward a rule which disqualified this hospital for the training of nurses because it had not got a resident medical superintendent, two visiting medical officers, a qualified lady superintendent, did not possess 140 beds, and was not recognised clinical hospital. Nurses had been trained at this hospital very efficiently, and they had afterwards gone to take up good positions in America, Scotland, England, and various parts of Ireland. Nurses had been trained at this hospital and sent to the workhouse hospitals a|l over the north of Ireland as temporary nurses at a high weekly wage, and yet, forsooth, because this institution did not exactly comply with the Local Government Board regulations in some details, any of the nurses who had been trained at this hospital were disqualified from making applications for positions as head nurses in Irish district hospitals. The Tyrone County Hospital was chiefly used for training the daughters of farmers as nurses, and this enabled them to get large salaries, out of which they sent considerable sums of money to their parents and friends, and the result of this order had been to prevent this training being continued.
      It was well known that nurses could be trained more effectively in small hospitals than in large ones. In small hospitals like the Tyrone hospital the nurses had to do work which was done by the students in the large hospitals. And yet the Local Government Board laid down rules which prevented these thoroughly trained nurses taking up appointments in the hospitals in their own country as superintendent nurses of Irish workhouse hospitals; in other words these nurses were considered good enough to nurse the better class of patients in Irish county infirmaries, and in the homes of private families, yet were not sufficiently trained to nurse the paupers in a district hospital. No more absurd position was ever taken up by a responsible governing authority,
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      and it should not be tolerated by the Chief Secretary, and I am sure will not be when he inquires into the facts brought under his notice in this important debate. He did not deny that the Local Government Board was composed of very able men, but he thought there ought to be some elective element upon that Board, and pending the only true solution of the trouble of governing Ireland, which was Home Rule, there ought to be no difficulty in carrying out the suggestion that the various councils in Ireland should be allowed to elect one representative to the Local Government Board. He hoped that the Chief Secretary would give this nursing question his careful consideration. The new regulations would have serious consequences upon the young women of Ireland who wished to fill in their own county the very important position of superintendent nurses in district hospitals unless it was speedily altered.
      Then there was another important question, namely, that of introducing into Irish workhouses Irish nuns. He was a Protestant himself, but he should be only too glad in case of necessity to be nursed by a nun. The nuns, if not trained nurses in the strict sense of the word, would quickly become so, and would change the atmosphere of these institutions, at least in the north of Ireland, from veritable hells into a comparative paradise. One other matter which he desired to call attention to was the disgraceful condition of some of the smaller workhouse hospitals. He did not desire to exaggerate, but he had no hesitation in saying that some of their Irish workhouses would be a disgrace to any civilised country. In one workhouse he was acquainted with there were only straw beds, with straw pillows, and there was not one properly trained nurse to look after a number of helpless people. In this workhouse they still had the old tressle beds, which were used at the time of the famine, and the staff was so small that the food had to be served to the inmates by the workhouse master. Every time he went into one of these workhouses he felt nothing but shame that the central authority in Dublin, which was supposed to look after the comfort of those poor people, so shamefully neglected

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      to enforce their authority on the district councils and board of guardians.
      There were a great many other matters which concerned the well-being of the poorer classes which he would have liked to have drawn attention to, but the few examples he had given would, he hoped, receive attention, more especially the nursing question and the question of looking after the helpless poor in the workhouses, and insisting that they should be provided with proper beds and attendance. Since he had been in the House of Commons he had observed the great interest which the Chief Secretary had taken in all matters affecting Ireland, and he felt sure that the right hon. Gentleman had a great sympathy for Ireland, and was most anxious that everything that could be done should be done to remove her grievances.
      MR. JORDANsaid he wished to say a few words, in which he would express the views of local authorities in the county of Fermanagh. He represented one of the divisions of that county, and in what he was going to say he was not simply voicing the opinions of Nationalists. The local governing bodies of Fermanagh agreed that it was the greatest possible pity in the world that the Local Government Board was not an elective or partially elective and popular Board. They required a Board of that sort in the country, and, so far as they were concerned, they had no objection whatever to the Local Government Board merely as a local governing body. What they did say was that the present Board was not in sympathy with the local authorities or with the people of Ireland, and their idea was that the Local Government Board, in dealing with the local bodies, was arbitrary in its tone and too commanding. The Board was very persistent in its demands, and what they decided the local bodies were compelled to carry out. In certain cases this Board had been most unreasonable, and there ought to be more give and take and more consultation between the county and other authorities all over the country and the Local Government Board in order to avoid friction. If more consultations took place he was sure the Local Government Board would get on much better. In the county of Fer-
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      managh they used to pay their assistant county surveyor £80 a year, but when the Local Government Act came into operation they raised this salary from £80 to £100 a year. The assistant surveyors would not take this salary, and they appealed to the Local Government Board, and without an inquiry of any kind, and without even hearing the views of Fermanagh County Council, the Local Government Board fixed the salaries at £120 a year.
      He was glad to hear the Chief Secretary state that it was possible in the future to introduce some economy in the bookkeeping. He thought there should also be more economy practised in regard to advertisements and printing. The advertisements might be shortened and curtailed with advantage, and the amount of printing might very well be reduced. In the county of Fermanagh the printing used to cost about £500, but for the first year under the Local Government Act it had increased to £2,000. They had determined to do the very best they could under the new Act for the better government of the counties of Ireland, and he thought the Local Government Board ought to assist them in their efforts to carry on local government with as much economy as possible. He did not know where the workhouses existed which were in the state complained of by the hon. Member for North Monaghan. In the county of Fermanagh they had improved the condition of the workhouses without any pressure from the Local Government Board, and he thought he had a right to protest against the statement made by the hon. Member, which was a great reflection on the boards of guardians. It was all very well for medical men to talk about the nursing question in the way they did, but in his opinion the Local Government Board were pressing home this question of the nurses too much. He did not think it took such a high professional qualification to make a nurse. The standard for nurses had been placed so high by the Local Government Board that in Fermanagh it took them months to get a fully-qualified nurse at the salary which they offered. They advertised in vain for a nurse at £40 and £50 per annum, and at last they were obliged to pay £60 a year with good rations and

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      apartments, and a lady's maid to attend upon her, before they could got a nurse possessing the qualifications required by the Local Government Board.
      They only paid their medical officer £100 per annum, and yet they were compelled by the Local Government Board to pay almost as much for a fully-qualified nurse. They had nurses in the workhouses at much lower salaries who were much better nurses for their purposes than the highly-qualified nurses insisted upon by the regulations of the Local Government Board. The local authorities had no objection to improvement, but the Local Government Board was insisting upon such high salaries for official nurses and others and increasing so greatly the expense of advertising and printing that it entailed the most extravagant cost to the ratepayers. Although the number of paupers in Ireland was decreasing the expense was increasing, and the Local Government Board were insisting upon them employing nurses when there was very little for them to do. In dealing with the question of the labourers' cottages he said that as a matter of policy, not only on the part of the farmer, but on the part of the State, the labourers ought to be well housed. He had always been in favour of the Labourers Act. He thought the Local Government Board ought to be ready to accept hints which were practical in relation to economy from the various county councils and boards of guardians, instead of adopting the arbitrary tone which they sometimes assumed without consulting the local body. Occasionally inspectors recommended things which it was impossible to carry out, and they had no right to suggest things without indicating how they could be accomplished. They had far too much interfering from the Local Government Board and too little assistance.
      MR. WYNDHAM: My reason for replying to the criticisms which have been made up to this stage is that the debate has mainly centred round the same subjects as those raised yesterday—nurses, the proper provision of labourers' cottages, the increase of salaries of existing officers, and the possibility of introducing some simplification of local government in Ireland, the economies
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      in printing and book-keeping, and the cost of inspection. But there is not an entire unanimity of opinion on the part of hon. members on these subjects, and therefore it is needful to discount something from the criticisms which have been urged. The Board in Ireland has a difficult duty to discharge. Any central body charged with administering such Acts, and in seeing that the local bodies do not transgress the bounds of liberty given to them, is always open to great deal of criticism. Take, for example, the question of the nurses. I claim that, on the whole, the great body of opinion in the House has been in favour of the Local Government Board seeing that the pauper inmates in Irish workhouses are properly treated. We are all agreed that the standard of attention paid to the sick is not as yet what we all wish to see it. From mistaken motives of economy, or from ignorance of the advance which has been made in the science of nursing, many popularly-elected bodies believe they are doing all that their duty demands, whereas they are really not doing that at all. That being so, I propose to go forward under this general order, but not drastically or arrogantly.
      Every local body is given an opportunity of considering the merits of what is urged, not only by the Local Government Board, but by the general consensus of opinion in this House. If they do not, however, fall in with that view, then it is the duty of the Local Government Board to intervene for the protection of the inmates committed to their charge. The hon. Member for South Monaghan has stated that this is a newborn zeal on the part of the Local Government Board, but that is not quite the case. There have been long controversies before on this very subject between the Local Government Board and some of the local boards of guardians in Ireland. This question has been the subject of voluminous correspondence for years, as far back as the year 1892, and even earlier. The hon. Member for North Monaghan pleaded for the usefulness of nuns in poorhouses and hospitals. I readily acknowledge the usefulness, but I do not think hon. members from Ireland are entitled to say for all Irish opinion that the nuns of Ireland should

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      be asked to perform all the duties which are incumbent on a sick nurse. I would remind hon. members that a letter issued in October, 1895, explicitly lays down that it is not right for nuns to assist in certain kinds of operations, and they are forbidden by the rules of their orders from doing this. I think the House will agree that the Local Government Board has acted with tact and discretion in this matter, and since nuns are not allowed to render all the services required in nursing, it is clear that there must be other qualified nurses introduced in those unions. With regard to the subject of the training of nurses, and the qualifications insisted upon by the Local Government Board, I think that the opinions expressed by the hon. Member for North Monaghan are entitled to very great weight upon this subject, and I shall certainly make a note of what he has suggested. I was not aware that the subject was going to be brought forward, and perhaps I have not brushed up upon this point as much as I should have done if I had received longer notice. The hon. Member for North Monaghan spoke of the exclusion of certain hospitals by reason of the order of the Local Government Board in reference to the qualification of trained nurses, but from my recollection of the order I should think that the hospitals mentioned by the hon. Member would not be excluded.
      DR. THOMPSONsaid he could assure the hon. Gentleman that a number of the hospitals had not been recognised, and were excluded from the benefit of trained nurses.
      MR. WYNDHAM: I take notice what the hon. Gentleman says, but it does not traverse what I have stated. The general Order of the Local Government Board issued in July did not preclude the Board from reserving to themselves discretion. I can say that our hands are free. The Order states, "Anyone who has received not less than two years training in a general clinical or other hospitals authorised by us." We are therefore at liberty to recognise any hospital, and we are not going to tie up our hands or limit our discretion. However, I shall carefully consider the
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      view which has been urged by the hon. Gentleman. I do not think I need say any more on the subject of nurses.
      I come now to the question of providing cottages for agricultural labourers under the Act. I dealt with that matter fully yesterday afternoon, but the hon. Member for Antrim did bring to my notice a specific case in which a mistake seems to have been made by the Local Government Board and not by the local authority. I undertake to give my personal consideration to that subject directly I get back to Ireland. I am disposed to agree that the Local Government Board should not accept a decision of the local bodies against which an appeal had been lodged; but I guard myself by saying that in some parts of Ireland, as at present advised, the local authorities put forward an excessive number of claims. I think the Local Government Board would be wanting in duty, however disagreeable or unpopular it may be, if they allowed the newly elected bodies to impose too heavy burdens on the rates, especially in the rural districts, in the first years of their administration, and if they did not bring home to these bodies the great danger of over-burdening the rates in this matter. As time goes on these local authorities will have more and more responsibility thrown upon them, and if they swell the rates, that would be a matter for the electors; but in the early years of the local government by popularly elected bodies the Local Government Board has the duty of bringing home to the local authorities that heavy burdens fall upon the rates from the loss arising from excessive schemes for cottage buildings. Generally I agree that it is the interest of the farmers to see that the labourers are properly housed. In England we have the great economic difficulty in regard to the labourers herding into the towns, but Ireland is mostly free from that; and I certainly should consider whether an extension of the Labourers Cottages Acts can be carried so as to include the other classes referred to.
      Many hon. members have inveighed against the Local Government Board far increasing the salaries of the local officials. It was said that some local bodies had offered £100 salary to the deputy surveyors instead of £80, but as

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      no protest had been made, and both parties were agreed, the Local Government Board had no wish to interfere. But the Local Government Board, where there was no agreement, were bound by statue to determine whether there had been an increase of work, and if so, to increase the emoluments accordingly. Most of the speakers said that that had been done in excess. The fact that the Local Government Board unwittingly broke the law in a technical manner does not excuse them from attempting to obey the law, now that it has been defined by the highest courts in Ireland, and the Local Government Board will go on doing their best to obey the law, and take a fair view of the merits of these cases. That brings me to the possibility of simplifying and cheapening the local government in Ireland. If we can bring that about, then the discussion with reference to the increase of duties and salaries of local officers would be only academic. The hon. Member for Mid Tyrone said that the salaries had all been raised, but if the duties were decreased then there would be a decrease in the salaries. There certainly would be no obligation to pay for work not obliged to be done, and so economy might be effected in that way. I think myself that the best chance of arriving at a solution of the matter is to make an attempt at the simplification of the work of local government in Ireland, and effecting some economy in administration. The Act has been in force for three years. Many suggestions have been made to the Board, and of course some ideas have occurred to the members of the Board themselves, which will all tell in the direction of simplification and economy. The hon. Baronet who introduced the subject yesterday made a suggestion that it would be a mistake for the Local Government Board to set out by itself on an inquiry as to how simplification can be best achieved, and that it would be prudent for the Local Government Board to invite co-operation of those who are administering the Act. With that suggestion I quite agree. I will be glad if the hon. Baronet and other chairmen of county councils would give the Local Government Board suggestions as to economies which may be adopted, and on
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      the part of the Local Government Board we shall be glad to nominate some member of the Board to collaborate with them. I believe it would be also wise to invite some of those officials in England who have had experience in book-keeping in some of the largest county councils to come and see if they can teach us in Ireland anything which we do not at present know in that respect, and how the accounts may be simplified. I do not wish to raise any hopes which may be doomed to disappointment, and therefore I feel bound to remind hon. members that these matters are more complicated in Ireland than in England. It is not easy to see how to get rid of many of the columns in the returns, owing to the fact that there are county guarantees for railways and other matters which introduce complication; but it is possible that we may hit upon some plan of dealing with all the different charges and assessments in different areas. Greater simplicity and economy in dealing with all these various matters is an object which ought to be pursued by all those who are interested in the proper and efficient management of local affairs in Ireland.
      SIR THOMAS ESMONDEsaid that the right hon. Gentleman the Chief Secretary had met this question in a spirit far different from that to which the representatives from Ireland had hitherto been accustomed. He welcomed the promised inquiry into the administration of the Local Government Board, and he would be glad to give every assistance in his power towards arriving at some decision which would be satisfactory all round. He approved f the reduction of the inspection of roads from four to two in the quarter, but he wanted the Local Government Board to convey the reasons which led them to increase the salaries of the local officials. He made this suggestion in the interests of peace. As to the nurses, he was afraid that the Chief Secretary had misunderstood the purpose of his remarks the previous day. He did not object to the proper treatment of the inmates of the workhouse infirmaries. On the contrary, he was most solicitous for their welfare; and in his own country they had expended an enormous sum of money in remodelling the arrangements for the

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      sick poor. In his opinion the Local Government Board should not treat the unions which had done their duty in the same way as those which had neglected their duty, and therefore he was glad that the Order was to be administered in a reasonable spirit.
      MR. REDDYcomplained of the manner in which the Local Government Board inspectors treated local bodies. He criticised the conduct of Major Fair, whom he charged with partiality in favour of the landlord interests in respect of labourers' cottages. He suggested that an entirely new set of inspectors should be appointed.
      MR. POWERsaid he did not wish to prolong the discussion on this subject, although it was one in which the Irish members were very deeply interested. Speaking for himself, he appreciated the tone of the right hon. the Chief Secretary's remarks, and he only wished that that right hon. Gentleman would be able to instil some of the tolerance which he had displayed into the minds of the permanent officials of the Local Government Board. They all recognised that that Board had not the confidence of the Irish people. The right hon. Gentleman said that the Board, of which he was president, hoped to work out reforms in a reasonable spirit, and in no spirit of arrogance. He was glad to hear these remarks from the right hon. Gentleman, because the Local Government Board had been a thorn in the side of the people of Ireland in connection with the manner in which they had conducted the administration of the poor law and the Grand Jury system. He thought the right hon. Gentleman, candidly reviewing the manner in which the local bodies had conducted their business since the Local Government Act of 1898 became law, would admit that these bodies had discharged their duty well and with a due regard to the interests of the ratepayers. He thought that the Local Government Board should do something to show their appreciation of that work. There were two ways of doing everything; and if the Local Government Board would throw aside a little of their arrogance it would be better for themselves and the ratepayers of Ireland at large. The
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      result of the manner in which the local bodies were treated was to promote insubordination among the officials, and induce them to look to the Local Government Board, who were not their masters, and to carry out their views rather than those of the county councils. It must be acknowledged that that was the spirit which was engendered by the Local Government Board. It was only right that these officials should be pensioned after discharging their duties for a number of years, and a Bill for the purpose had been introduced, but so great had been the feeling created in Ireland by the Local Government Board that the Bill had little chance of becoming law until that body reformed its ways. The Local Government inspectors were drawn from a class opposed to the views of the people, and until the Local Government Board dealt direct with the representative bodies of Ireland in a more genial and less dictatorial manner, matters would not improve. He was glad the condition of the unions of Ireland had been improved, but at the same time he thought it was a most suspicious thing that the Local Government Board should have allowed the old state of things to go on for so many years, and should have only discovered the necessity for this improvement at the time when the landlords were exempted from paying half the expense, the whole of which now fell altogether on the poor. It was a matter which in his opinion the Local Government Board should have initiated years ago.
      *MR. O'SHEEdirected attention to the provision of the Local Government Act for the better provision of harmless lunatics in the workhouses of Ireland, which he said, owing to the action of the Local Government Board, had been altogether inoperative. He was connected with a board of guardians as chairman, and had submitted a scheme to the Local Government Board Inspector to utilise a portion of the workhouse at Carrick-on-Suir, which was built at a time when the idea as to the proper treatment of the poor in Ireland was not so far advanced as it was at the present time for the accommodation of 700 persons, and it would even under present ideas of management accommo-

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      date 450 persons, while the usual number of inmates did not exceed 200. There were about 180 harmless lunatics in the workhouses of South Tipperary, and there was accommodation in that workhouse, and the suggestion had been made that a portion of the workhouse, which was nearly empty, should be used for the accommodation of harmless lunatics. It was a reasonable suggestion, and although it might be necessary to build houses for the officers, that would be a very small item of expense; but the Local Government Board inspector before whom the matter was brought had stated that there was not the slightest chance of the assent of the Local Government Board being given to the use of this empty building for such a purpose. He had urged as a reason for the acceptance of the proposal that about sixteen acres which was now let for grazing, which lay next to this building, could be set apart for the use of the harmless lunatics, but notwithstanding all the arguments that had been brought to bear the Local Government Board inspector told them there was no possibility that the Local Government Board would assent to that proposal. Under the Act of 1898 it was only necessary to provide a suitable building for this purpose, and the scheme which had been suggested could easily be carried out by dividing the workhouse. It was because the Local Government Board would not sanction such reasonable schemes as this that that provision of the Act had been inoperative. Another provision which had become inoperative was that by which the boards of guardians with the consent of the Local Government Board could convert a workhouse infirmary into a district infirmary. By the board of guardians of which he was a member such a resolution had been passed, and the Local Government Board had received notice of the resolution, but the reply which they received from the Local Government Board was that that body had not made the regulations which by the Act they were bound to make for district infirmaries. That reply was received in 1899, and from then till now no regulations had been made. If the Local Government Board was as anxious as the Chief Secretary suggested to
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      promote the welfare of the inmates of these buildings, the imbecile and sick poor, the most helpless of all classes of the inmates of workhouses, they were going about it in a very peculiar way. They had done nothing whatever to make these regulations which were necessary in order to enable boards of guardians to secure the operation of the Act of 1898; they had given no facilities to enable a portion of these huge workhouses, which for the greater part were empty, to be used for harmless lunatics. He quite agreed with the strictures that had been passed upon the Local Government Board inspectors with regard to the erection of workmen's dwellings. Their action disclosed an extraordinary state of things. Where there was no opposition to applications for the erection of cottages the applications were rejected. The express object of these Acts was to enable the local authorities of Ireland to build houses for poor agricultural labourers and let them at rents which the labourers should be able to pay. The usual rent under the Act was 1s. a week, but in one ease, because the agent or sub-agent of the Duke of Devonshire had four houses in a town to let at a rental of 2s. a week, the applications for additional houses were refused, although in that case there had been representations made for sixteen houses. There was a similar case in which the Marquess of Waterford objected, and the same kind of thing went on all over the country. It was such a matter of notoriety in that country that where a landlord like the Marquess of Waterford opposed the erection of a cottage the application was bound to be thrown out that the people had to a great extent given up attempting to get better cottages. Since the passing of the Local Government Act they had resumed their attempts, but they found the Local Government Board inspector controlled the situation, and that if they wished to appeal they had to go before an even worse tribunal, the Irish Privy Council, which was packed with landlords. With reference to road-making in Ireland, the greatest trouble was that the assistant county surveyors did not give the whole of their time to their professional work, but in many cases either carried on a retail trade or

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      worked for private individuals. In his opinion a rule should be made to prohibit them from doing either of these things. If road work in Ireland was to be carried on successfully the assistant county surveyor should be ready to inspect the roads at any particular moment, and not merely to inspect them twice a year. Ho thought it would be very desirable, now that all these salaries were being fixed, that a regulation should be made prohibiting assistant county surveyors from taking any work of a private nature, but that they should only be allowed to take up work in connection with public boards in their own districts. He thought the time had come when some change ought to be made in the system of appointing Local Government Board inspectors. Retired Army officers should not necessarily be regarded as proper persons for these posts, and some real qualification should be required, and he suggested that these positions should be occupied by persons who had been engaged in the work of the unions, clerks and masters of workhouses and others, who had in the past performed their duties efficiently; that the post of Local Government Board inspector should be regarded in the light of a legitimate promotion for those who had been good and efficient servants of the unions in the past.
      MR. FIELDsaid he would confine his remarks to the question of local government in Ireland. The Local Government Act being now an accomplished fact, they had to make the best of it. The efforts of the Irish county councils had made the Act more successful than it would otherwise have been in the peculiar circumstances under which Ireland was governed. He would endeavour to make some practical suggestions, to which he hoped the Chief Secretary would reply. The Irish county councils had endeavoured to carry out the provisions of the Local Government Act in Ireland efficiently and harmoniously. Having paid a fair price for local government in Ireland, they naturally expected to get the same advantages which local government had conferred upon England. Under the English Act he understood that the Association of
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      County Councils in England were allowed a certain sum to enable representatives of county councils to meet together for consultation on points about which differences existed. If a similar expenditure was allowed to the Association of County Councils in Ireland, conferences could be arranged with representatives of the Local Government Board and a good deal of friction might thereby be avoided. What the county councils of Ireland desired from the Local Government Board was less dictation and more consultation. He hoped that the same liberty to use funds for this purpose would be given in Ireland as in England, and if this were done a good deal of friction might be avoided and a good deal of litigation saved.
      In the matter of scientific investigation the English county councils were much better off than in Ireland, where no fund had been provided for this purpose as in England. He submitted a clause when the Bill was before the House providing for bacteriological investigations, but the Chief Secretary opposed that clause. At the recent Tuberculosis Conference a decision had been arrived at which was a very important matter for the Irish county councils, and yet they had no fund available for any such purposes, although this was a subject which was engaging the attention of all scientists throughout the civilised world. He wanted the Irish county councils to work in co-operation with the Local Government Board. They wanted less interference with their work from the Local Government Board and more consultation, and there ought to be less dictation from the permanent officials.
      He had been making inquiries as to how it was that in matters affecting local government things were carried on so smoothly in this country. In England they had none of the friction and disappointment and litigation which took place in Ireland, and which ought not to occur in a country which was supposed to be constitutionally governed. In England in cases where there was likely to be friction the local boards and the Local Government Board generally held consultations, and as a rule the popular view prevailed. Those questions which produced so much friction

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      in Ireland were amicably settled in England by this process of consultation. He trusted that as a result of this debate something would be done by the right hon. Gentleman to bring about a similar state of things with regard to local government as existed in England. With regard to the question of the accommodation of harmless lunatics, he thought something ought to be done to lessen the expense and increase the efficiency in regard to their treatment. Under the Dublin County Council they had perhaps the most expensive asylum in Ireland. It would be less expensive if these harmless lunatics were treated in another institution, and it would be better for the lunatics themselves. It appeared to him that something ought to be done to appoint qualified gentlemen as inspectors. He made no charge in regard to existing inspectors, but there was no doubt that the local authorities had not the highest confidence in some of them. There was an element of unrest in this matter in which there ought to be confidence on both sides. In regard to the erection of labourers' cottages, the inspectors ought to be warned that they must no tbe frightened by the landlords. For years he had been aware that in many districts it was impossible to have labourers' cottages erected because the guardians and inspectors were opposed to it. The people of Ireland had undoubtedly had no experience in regard to local government, but he put it to the House whether disappointment had been created in regard to the manner in which they had carried out the Local Government Act since they had been endowed with that great constitutional freedom.
      THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR IRELAND (Mr. ATKINSON,: Quite the contrary. We have been agreeably surprised at the success of the experiment.
      MR. FIELDsaid that he remembered the time when hon. Gentlemen opposite said that there would be extravagance of the greatest kind and constitutional earthquakes when the Local Government Act came into operation in Ireland. In fact he thought that the local government bodies were almost too careful, and if extravagance could be
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      imputed to them it had been imposed upon them by the Local Government Board. He put it to the right hon. the Chief Secretary and the hon. and learned Attorney General that, after the experience they had had, whether some Amendment ought not to be introduced into the Act which would enable them to carry on the work of local government with less friction, less expense, and more harmony than hitherto. They wanted to give the Government every chance for fair play, and allow the Local Government Board to co-operate with the local bodies in an efficient and harmonious way at the least possible cost to the ratepayers.
      *MR. ATKINSONthought it would be discourteous not to respond to the appeal which the hon. Gentleman had made to him to say a few words in reply to the criticisms he had passed. In the first place, he congratulated him on his speech because the hon. Member, without being false to his principles, had sought, as he always did, to secure some practical advantage for Ireland, and some amelioration in the government of its local affairs. But it must be remembered that it was the late Government which brought in the Local Government Act of 1898. He had the honour of some share in the framing and passing of the measure, and it seemed strange to him that those who framed the Act had sometimes failed to receive quite as much encouragement on the other side as they might have done, and should not have been regarded as the friends of local government, anxious for the perfection and success of the system which they themselves inaugurated. One of the persons who gave most aid in framing that measure was the present permanent head of the Local Government Board, and as he (Mr. Atkinson) was familiar with the knowledge which that gentleman had brought to bear on the subject, the policy he endeavoured to carry out, and the ideas he suggested, he thought it but plain justice to him to say that he had been from the first most anxious to make local government a success in Ireland. Local government in Ireland had been a great success, and nobody rejoiced more at that than he did, except possibly the permanent head

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      of the Local Government Board. But it must be remembered what the problem was that he had to deal with. He had to deal with a number of bodies, the constituent members of which were absolutely unacquainted with the conduct of local affairs. What was the problem? The problem was to nurse them, as it were, into acquaintance with the conduct of local government, to restrain them, so that when they were fairly set up on the road they might be able to go steadily and cautiously forward, and discharge their duties efficiently and well. Of course it must have occurred to the permanent head of the Board that the restraints necessary at the start would not necessarily stop as progress was made, and if he were to make a criticism upon the different local bodies in Ireland it would be that they were forgetful of two maxims. The first was that none of us was infallible, and the next was the rather homely one, that men should learn to walk before they run. After all, the county councils of Ireland were only learning to walk at present. He wished to make it plain that there was every desire on the part of the Government to see that proper service should be secured to the poor of Ireland in the hospitals. That the Local Government Board insist upon, and so far as they were concerned it would be carried out. Then as to the question of labourers' cottages, That required a great deal of consideration. He could assure hon. members that there was nothing but good will towards the new system in the Local Government Board, and there was nothing but anxiety that it should succeed. Though there had been some friction, it had been to some degree due to an unfounded suspicion that the Local Government Board desired to treat the local bodies arrogantly. He quite agreed that the Acts might work more smoothly, but he thought everyone would agree that the permanent head of the Local Government Board in Ireland was anxious to receive with courtesy and consideration any member of a local authority who might approach him. It was recognised that it would be necessary from time to time to amend the Local Government Act, and nobody was more anxious than his right hon. friend and the permanent officials of the Board to consider
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      every suggestion that might be made, but they must think of the effect of any proposal in different directions. These matters must be considered from every point of view, and he could not help feeling that hon. gentlemen shewed some impatience when they recommended something to the Local Government Board which was not immediately accepted, though it would not stand the test of careful examination, The complaint that no provision had been made for the expenses of the association of county councils would receive the careful consideration of his right hon. friend. There was no pressing necessity for legislation to establish institutions for scientific research; that was a matter for the future. Complaint had been made with regard to the conduct of Local Government Board inspectors, and it would be obvious that before any reply could be made to those complaints the answer of the inspectors should be heard. With regard to the Labourers Cottages Act, although it was desirable to house comfortably and properly the agricultural labourers required in any particular district, and by an extension of the Housing of the Working Classes Act to house properly the artisan class, of the towns as far as practicable, yet care should be taken not to give a kind of auxiliary outdoor relief by erecting cottages for labourers who were not wanted in any particular district, otherwise they would run the risk in establishing a man in a house with an inadequate amount of land attached to support him of setting up a class of pauper agriculturists, not labourers, with such disastrous results as were seen in the West on a larger scale. He doubted whether independent inspectors would please either the landlords or the tenants. He would bring before his right hon. friend the various points that had been raised, and he had no doubt they would be carefully considered.
      *MR. KENNEDYsaid he had listened with great interest to the debate, and taking as he did a great interest in the Work of local government in Ireland, he wished to acknowledge the conciliatory spirit in which the Chief Secretary had met the views of

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      Irish members, and also the conciliatory spirit of the speech of the right hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. He merely wished to call attention to the qualifications which were insisted upon by the Local Government Board for assistant county surveyors of county councils in Ireland. In his opinion, in the Order of February, 1900, issued by the Local Government Board, the programme of qualifications was extravagant in a country which was denied university education. It prescribed qualifications which involved almost university training. The position of assistant county surveyors was a very ordinary one, so far as its literary requirements were concerned. The duty of assistant county surveyor only required that a man should be able to read and write well, and be able to measure heaps of stone, but what was required more than anything else was an honest man. It appeared to him that in prescribing qualifications not attainable by the majority of the Irish people a privilege had been created for the old ascendency classes of Ireland. Under this rule it provided that any person who had filled the position of assistant county surveyor was entitled without further examination to be appointed county surveyor in any other county. All over Ireland there were assistant surveyors who had been illegally appointed by the county surveyors, who could not pass the qualifying examination required under Section 43 of the Act of 1836. In county Meath there were six assistant surveyors, only one of whom had passed an examination, and he came from another county. The whole or, at any rate, a great deal of the trouble under the Local Government Act came from the county and assistant surveyors, and the Chief Secretary was in error in stating that they could have been compulsorily retired before a certain date. The county councils were obliged to take over these men, and some people thought it would be an excellent thing if the county councils were enabled to borrow money in order to buy them out, and to set up in their place a new staff of competent men. One of the reasons put forward for keeping on the old officials was that it would be impossible for the new bodies to work with new hands. That certainly had not been his expe-
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      rience. As chairman of the body described by the Attorney General as the best-managed county council in Ireland, he had found that the men who knew nothing about the grand jury system were the men with whom he had least trouble. When the new men were in any difficulty they referred to the Act and found out the right thing to do, whereas the old officials relied on their former experience and carried out their work according to a law no longer in operation. These men had been trained in a bad school. Instead of the county officials being governed by the grand juries, the grand juries were governed by the county officials. On the question of expenses, those unacquainted with the practical working of the county councils in Ireland had said there was no reason why a one-clause Act should not have been passed, merely setting up an elected body to transact the duties formerly transacted by the grand juries. Such persons did not understand the tremendous changes effected in local government by the Local Government Act and the Orders in Council thereunder. Not a single thing was the same now as before the passing of the Act. Not merely had the functions of the grand juries been transferred to the county councils, but also the functions of the boards of guardians as the great rating authorities, of the boards of guardians under the Diseases of Animals Acts, of the magistrates under the Explosives Acts, and of numerous other smaller bodies. A great deal of expense arose from printing, clerical work, and law charges, and much of the clerical work was in consequence of the orders prescribed by the Local Government Board. Some forty books and forms were prescribed for an authority, the predecessor of which kept only one or perhaps two. A number of the forms were admittedly unnecessary, and many of the expenses might be saved by the bodies themselves. The advertisement charges could be reduced, as there was no provision in law requiring advertisements to be published except in regard to audit, and even then the publication of one table only was necessary. Other expenses, however, were inherent to the Act, and incidental to the fact that the councils, unlike the grand juries, were corporate bodies. Formerly, if a man

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      drove into a ditch at night he had no remedy; now he would bring an action against the county council and recover damages. The expenses of registration had been considerably increased by the Registry Act, 1898. Formerly, one polling sheet for each parliamentary polling district was required; now there had to be a separate unit for each local government polling district, and every poor law electoral division was a local unit. This had enormously increased the expenses of registration. The hon.
      Member was proceeding to refer to the financial clauses of the Act, when—
      It being Ten of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 7th August, put forthwith the Question necessary to dispose of the resolution then under consideration.
      Question put accordingly, "That the House doth agree with the Committee in the Resolution."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 197; Noes, 122. (Division List No. 446.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S.)

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Fellowes, Hon. A. Edward

      Lowe, Francis William

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc.

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent)

      Arrol, Sir William

      Finch, George H.

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth)

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Finlay, Sir R. Bannatyne

      Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred

      Balcarres, Lord

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W. (Leeds

      Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Fitzroy, Hon. E. Algernon

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Flannery, Sir Fortescue

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Gardner, Ernest

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.)

      Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

      Garfit, William

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Godson, Sir A. Frederick

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Bignold, Arthur

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Bigwood, James

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Milton, Viscount

      Bond, Edward

      Gordon, Maj. Evans- (T'rH'mts

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby- (S'lop

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex

      Goschen, Hon. G. Joachim

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Bull, William James

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Butcher, John George

      Groves, James Grimble

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Carlile, William Walter

      Hain, Edward

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire

      Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

      Mount, William Arthur

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

      Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Harris, Frederick Leverton

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r.

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Myers, William Henry

      Chapman, Edward

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Charrington, Spencer

      Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.)

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Parker, Gilbert

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Henderson, Alexander

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Colomb, Sir John C. Ready

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Corbett, A. C. (Glasgow)

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Purvis, Robert

      Cox, Irwin Edw. Bainbridge

      Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

      Pym, C. Guy

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

      Randles, John S.

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Rankin, Sir James

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Lawson, John Grant

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lee, Arthur H. (Hants., Fareham

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Renwick, George

      Doxford, Sir Wm. Theodore

      Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

      Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge)

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Webb, Col. William George

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Spear, John Ward

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich)

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und-Lyne

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk

      Williams, Rt Hon J Powell (Birm

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Round, James

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

      Rutherford, John

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

      Sackville, Colonel S. G. Stopford-

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E.

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Thornton, Percy M.

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      William Walrond and Mr.

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Anstruther.

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Valentia, Viscount

      Smith, H C. (North'mb, Tyneside

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Harwood, George

      O'Doherty, William

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Donnell John (Mayo, S.)

      Bell, Richard

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Boland, John

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Dowd, John

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Boyle, James

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

      Brigg, John

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Malley, William

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      O'Mara, James

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Burns, John

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      O'Shee, James John

      Burt, Thomas

      Joyce, Michael

      Partington, Oswald

      Caldwell, James

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Cameron, Robert

      Lambert, George

      Reddy, M.

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Leamy, Edmund

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Levy, Maurice

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Lloyd-George, David

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Lough, Thomas

      Roche, John

      Colville, John

      Lundon, W.

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Crean, Eugene

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Crombie, John William

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Cullinan, J.

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Sullivan, Donal

      Daly, James

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Dalziel, James Henry

      M'Govern, T.

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Thompson, Dr E C (Monagh'n, N.

      Delany, William

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks., W. R.)

      Dillon, John

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Wallace, Robert

      Doogan, P. C.

      Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Duffy, William J.

      Moss, Samuel

      Weir, James Galloway

      Elibank, Master of

      Murnaghan, George

      White, Luke (Yorks., E. R.)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Murphy, John

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Field, William

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Whiteley, George (Yorks., W. R.)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.)

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Gilhooly, James

      O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

      Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks., W. R.)

      Grant, Corrie

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid.

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Sir Thomas Esmonde and

      Hammond, John

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

      Captain Donelan.

      Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER then proceeded, in pursuance of the same Order, to put forthwith severally the Questions, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding Resolutions reported
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      in respect of each Class of the Civil Service Estimates, the Navy Estimates, the Army Estimates, the Revenue Departments and other outstanding Estimates."
      MR. LOUGH: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask if it is not necessary to state the amount we are asked to vote.
      *MR. SPEAKER: If the hon. Member will read the resolution he will see that there is nothing in it about the amount.
      MR. LOUGH: But the resolution does refer to the amount.
      *MR. SPEAKER: Not in that part of it which affects the Votes on Report.

      CLASS I.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding Resolutions reported in respect of Class I. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes. 204; Noes, 123. (Division List No. 447.)

      CLASS II.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the out-
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      standing Resolutions reported in respect of Class II. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 209; Noes, 122. (Division List No. 448.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Doxford, Sir W. Theodore

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Hart

      Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

      Arrol, Sir William

      Eellowes, Hon. A. Edward

      Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristoh, S.

      Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John

      Fergusson. Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Man'r

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Fielden, Edw. Brocklehurst

      Lowe, Francis William

      Balcarres, Lord

      Finch, George H.

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Finlay, Sir R. Bannatyne

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent)

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W (Leeds

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth)

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Fitzroy, Hon. E. Algernon

      Macdona, John dimming

      Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin

      Flannery, Sir Fortescue

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

      Gardner, Ernest

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Garfit, William

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Bignold, Arthur

      Godson, Sir A. Frederick

      M'Calmont, Col J. (Antrim, E.)

      Bigwood, James

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Bond, Edward

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Gordon, Maj. Evans- (T'rH'mlts

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby- (Binc.

      Milton, Viscount

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Salop

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Bull, William James

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Goschen, Hon. G. Joachim

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Butcher, John George

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Carlile, William Walter

      Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

      More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Groves, James Grimble

      Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Hain, Edward

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire

      Hamilton, Rt Hn. Lord G. (Mid'x

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. R. Wm.

      Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Harris, Frederick Leverton

      Mount, William Arthur

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Murray, Rt. Hn. A Graham (Bute

      Chapman, Edward

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Charrington, Spencer

      Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.)

      Myers, William Henry

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Henderson, Alexander

      Parker, Gilbert

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

      Peel, Hon. Wm. Robert Wellesley

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard

      Collings, Rt. Hn. Jesse

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Corbett, A. C. (Glasgow)

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Cox, Irwin Edw. Bainbridge

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Purvis, Robert

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

      Pym, C. Guy

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

      Randles, John S.

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Keswick, William

      Rankin, Sir James

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Lawson, John Grant

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Lee, Arthur H. Hants., Fareham

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Valentia, Viscount

      Renwick, George

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge)

      Smith, H C (Northumb. Tyneside

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green)

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

      Webb, Colonel William George

      Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

      Smith, Hon. W. P. D. (Strand)

      Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Spear, John Ward

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-un.-Lyne

      Robinson, Brooke

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich)

      Williams, Rt Hn J. Powell- (Birm.

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)

      Round, James

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath).

      Rutherford, John

      Strutt, Hon Charles Hedley

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Sir William Walrond and

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Mr. Anstruther.

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N.)

      Hammond, John

      O'Doherty, William

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Harwood, George

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Bell, Richard

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Dowd, John

      Boland, John

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

      Boyle, James

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Malley, William

      Brigg, John

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Mara, James

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Jameson, Major F. Eustace

      O'Shee, James John

      Burns, John

      Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)

      Partington, Oswald

      Burt, Thomas

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Caldwell, James

      Joyce, Michael

      Reddy, M.

      Cameron, Robert

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Lambert, George

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Leamy, Edmund

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Levy, Maurice

      Roche, John

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Lloyd-George, David

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel).

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Lough, Thomas

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Crean, Eugene

      Lundon, W

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Crombie, John William

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Cullinan, J.

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Sullivan, Donald

      Daly, James

      MacNeill, John Jordon Swift

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Dalziel, James Henry

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Thompson, Dr E C (Monagh'n, N

      Delany, William

      M'Govern, T.

      Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Ure, Alexander

      Dillon, John

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Wallace, Robert

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Moss, Samuel

      Weir, James Galloway

      Duffy, William J.

      Murnaghan, George

      White, Luke (York, E. R.)

      Elibank, Master of

      Murphy, John

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Whiteley, George (York, W. R.)

      Esmonde, Sir Thomas

      Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.)

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Field, William

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, S.)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth).

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Brien, Kendal (TipperaryMid.

      Gilhooly, James

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Grant, Corrie

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Mr. Lloyd Morgan and Mr.

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

      Colville.

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn)

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Gordon. J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Gordon, MajEvans- (T'rH'mlets

      Parker, Gilbert

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop

      Peel, Hn. Wm. RobertWellesley

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Gore. Hon. S. F. Ormsby (Linc.)

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Arrol, Sir William

      Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon

      Pilkington, Lt.-Col. Richard

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Balcarres, Lord

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Balfour, Rt Hon Gerald W. (Leeds

      Groves, James Grimble

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Hain, Edward

      Purvis, Robert

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Pym, C. Guy

      Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin

      Hamilton, RtHnLordG.(Midd'x

      Randles, John S.

      Beach, Rt.Hn.SirMichaelHicks

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

      Rankin, Sir James

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Bignold, Arthur

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Bigwood, James

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Bond, Edward

      Heath, James (Staffords., N W.)

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Henderson, Alexander

      Renwick, George

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

      Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge)

      Bull, William James

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green)

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Hoult, Joseph

      Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson

      Butcher, John George

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Carlile, William Walter

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham

      Robinson, Brooke

      Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry C.

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Round, James

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Kenyon, Hon. G. T. (Denbigh)

      Rutherford, John

      Chamberlain, J. Austen(Worc'r

      Keswick, William

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Chapman, Edward

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Charrington, Spencer

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Churchill, Winston Spencer

      Lawson, John Grant

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

      Smith, H. C(North'mb.Tyneside

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

      Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

      Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Long,Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol, S.)

      Spear, John Ward

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Stanley,Hon.Arthur(Ormskirk

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Lowe, Francis William

      Stanley,EdwardJas.(Somerset)

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. Jas. (Kent)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Lucas, ReginaldJ.(Portsmouth)

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Macartney, Rt. Hon. W. G. E.

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Davenport, William Bromley-

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Talbot,Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.

      Davies,SirHoratio D.(Chatham

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Doxford, Sir William Theodore

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Valentia, Viscount

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Milton, Viscount

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Webb, Colonel William George

      Evans,SirFrancisH.(Maidstone

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Weir, James Galloway

      Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.

      Fergusson,Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Manc'r

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Whiteley, H. Ashton-u.-Lyne)

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      More, Robert Jasper (Shropsh)

      Williams, Rt. Hn J Powell- (Birm.

      Finch, George H.

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.)

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      Morris, Hn. Martin Henry F.

      Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hon. E. R. (Bath)

      Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

      Mount, William Arthur

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Flannery, Sir Fortescue

      Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)

      Gardner, Ernest

      Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Garfit, William

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      William Walrond and Mr.

      Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick

      Myers, William Henry

      Anstruther.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Doherty, William

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Hammond, John

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Bell, Richard

      Harwood, George

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Boland, John

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Dowd, John

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Boyle, James

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N)

      Brigg, John

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Malley, William

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Mara, James

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Burns, John

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      O'Shee, James John

      Burt, Thomas

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      Partington, Oswald

      Caldwell, James

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Cameron, Robert

      Joyce, Michael

      Reddy, M.

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Lambert, George

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Leamy, Edmund

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Levy, Maurice

      Roche, John

      Colville, John

      Lloyd-George, David

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Lough, Thomas

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Crean, Eugene

      Lundon, W.

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Crombie, John William

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Cullinan, J.

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Sullivan, Donal

      Daly, James

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Dalziel, James Henry

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Tennant, Harold John

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Thompson, Dr. E C (Monagh'n, N

      Delany, William

      M'Govern, T.

      Thomson, E. W. (York, W. R.)

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Mansfield, Horace Randall

      Ure, Alexander

      Dillon, John

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Wallace, Robert

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Doogan, P. C.

      Moss, Samuel

      White, Luke (York, E. R.)

      Duffy, William J.

      Murnaghan, George

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Elibank, Master of

      Murphy, John

      Whiteley, George (York, W. R.)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Esmonde, Sir Thomas

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Field, William

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

      Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.

      Gilhooly, James

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Nussey and Mr. M'Kenna.

      Grant, Corrie

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

      CLASS III.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
      Resolutions reported in respect of Class III. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 206; Noes, 121. (Division List No. 449.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt Sir Alex F.

      Bond, Edward

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Billiard, Sir Harry

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Arrol, Sir William

      Burdett-Coutts, W.

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Butcher, John George

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, N.)

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitzroy

      Carlile, William Walter

      Cox, Irwin Edw. Bainbridge

      Balcarres, Lord

      Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.)

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Davenport, William Bromley-

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'r

      Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham

      Beach, Rt. Hn Sir Michael Hicks

      Chapman, Edward

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Charrington, Spencer

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Bignold, Arthur

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A Akers-

      Bigwood, James

      Cochrane Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Doxford, Sir William Theodore

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Renwick, George

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart

      Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)

      Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge

      Fellowes, Hn. Ailwyn Edward

      Long, Rt Hn Walter (Bristol, S.)

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Man.

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      Lowe, Francis William

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Finch, George H.

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. J. (Kent)

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Lucas, R. J. (Portsmouth)

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon

      Macartney, Rt. Hn. W G Ellison

      Round, James

      Flannery, Sir Fortescue

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Gardner, Ernest

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Rutherford, John

      Garfit, William

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.

      M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin&Nairn

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.)

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Seton-Karr Henry

      Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'rH'ml'ts

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Gore, Hn G R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

      Milton, Viscount

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John E.

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Smith, H. C (Northmb Tyneside

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Smith, James P. (Lanarks.)

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Moore, Wm. (Antrim, N.)

      Spear, John Ward

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      More, Robert J. (Shropshire)

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich)

      Groves, James Grimble

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow

      Stanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk

      Hain, Edward

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Hamilton, Rt Hn. Lord G (Mid'x

      Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert W.)

      Mount, William Arthur

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Haslett, Sir James Homer

      Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Murray, Col. W. (Bath)

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Heath, James (Staffords, N. W.

      Myers, William Henry

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Heaton, John Henniker

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Henderson, Alexander

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Hermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter

      Parker, Gilbert

      Valentia, Viscount

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Peel, Hn Wm Robert Wellesley

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Hoult, Joseph

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Pilkington, Lt.-Col. Richard

      Webb, Colonel William George

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Weir, James Galloway

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-u.-Lyne)

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Williams, Rt Hn J Powell- (Bir.)

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edw.

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh

      Purvis, Robert

      Wilson, A. S. (Yorks, E. R.)

      Keswick, William

      Pym, C. Guy

      Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

      Lambton, Hon. Fredk. Wm.

      Randles, John S.

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Rankin, Sir James

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Lawson, John Grant

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareh'm

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Sir William Walrond and

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Mr. Anstruther.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Evans, Sir Francis H. (Maidst.)

      Ambrose, Robert

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Field, William

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Colville, John

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Bell, Richard

      Crean, Eugene

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Boland, John

      Crombie, John William

      Gilhooly, James

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Cullinan, J.

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Boyle, James

      Daly, James

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Brigg, John

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Hammond, John

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      Harwood, George

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Delany, William

      Hayden, John Patrick

      Burns, John

      Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-

      Burt, Thomas

      Dillon, John

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      Caldwell, James

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Holland, William Henry

      Cameron, Robert

      Doogan, P. C.

      Horniman, Frederick John

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Duffy, William J.

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Elibank, Master of

      Jameson, Maj. J. Eustace

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Emmott, Alfred

      Jones, Day. Brynmor (Swansea)

      Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Roche, John

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Joyce, Michael

      O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipp'r'ry, Mid

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Leamy, Edmund

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Sullivan, Donal

      Levy, Maurice

      O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Lloyd-George, David

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Tennant, Harold John

      Lough, Thomas

      O'Doherty, William

      Thompson, Dr E C (Monaghan N.

      Lundon, W.

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks, W. R.)

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Ure, Alexander

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      O'Dowd, John

      Wallace, Robert

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

      White, Luke (York. E. R.)

      M'Fadden, Edward

      O'Malley, William

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      M'Govern, T.

      O'Mara, James

      Whiteley, George (Yorks, W. R.

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      O'Shee, James John

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen

      Partington, Oswald

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth

      Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Wilson, Henry J. (York W. R.

      Moss, Samuel

      Reddy, M.

      Murnaghan, George

      Redmond, J. E. (Waterford)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Murphy, John

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Sir Thomas Esmonde and

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Mr. Corrie Grant.

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      CLASS IV.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
      Resolutions reported in respect of Class IV. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 207 Noes, 122. (Division List No. 450.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir A. F.

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'r H'm'ts

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.)

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Arrol, Sir William

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

      Goschen, Hon. George J.

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitzroy

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bain bridge

      Greene, Hy. D. (Shrewsbury)

      Balcarres, Lord

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Groves, James Grimble

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W (Leeds.)

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Hain, Edward

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Davenport, Win. Bromley-

      Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G (Mid'x)

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.

      Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Bristol)

      Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chath'm

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Bignold, Arthur

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir J. P.

      Heath, J. (Staffords., N. W.)

      Bigwood, James

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

      Henderson, Alexander

      Bond, Edward

      Doxford, Sir William T.

      Hermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Hoult, Joseph

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. Hart

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Bull, William James

      Emmott, Alfred

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Evans, Sir F. H. (Maidstone)

      Hozier, Hn. Jas. Henry Cecil

      Butcher, John George

      Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Carlile, William Walter

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn Sir J. (Manc'r

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.

      Fielden, Edwd. Brocklehurst

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Finch, George H.

      Jones, David Brynmor (Swans'a

      Cavendish, V. C. W (Derbyshire

      Finlay, Sir Robt. Bannatyne

      Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      Keswick, William

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

      Fitzroy, Hon. Edwd. Algernon

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Chapman, Edward

      Gardner, Ernest

      Lawson, John Grant

      Charrington, Spencer

      Garfit, William

      Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareh'm

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Godson, Sir Augustus F.

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin & Nairn)

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Leveson-Gower, Fredk, N. S.

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Parker, Gilbert

      Smith, A. H. (Hertford, East)

      Long, Col Chas. W. (Evesham

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley

      Smith, H. C (N'th'mb., T'neside)

      Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Smith, James P. (Lanarks.)

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Lowe, Francis William

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Spear, John Ward

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Spencer, E. (W. Bromwich)

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent)

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Stanley, Edward J. (Somerset)

      Macartney, Rt. Hn W. G. Ellison

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Purvis, Robert

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Pym, C. Guy

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Randles, John S.

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Rankin, Sir James

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.)

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Thornton, Percy M.

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Tufnell, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Milton, Viscount

      Renwick, George

      Valentia, Viscount

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson

      Webb, Col. William George

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Welby, Sir C. G. E. (Notts.)

      More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-u.-Lyne)

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Williams, Rt. Hn J Powell- (Bir.)

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Round, James

      Wilson, A. S. (Yorks., E. R.)

      Morton, Arthur H. A (Deptford

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)

      Mount, William Arthur

      Rutherford, John

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

      Murray, Rt. Hn A Graham (Bute

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Myers, William Henry

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Sir William Walrond and

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

      Mr. Anstruther.

      NOES.

      Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)

      Gilhooly, James

      Murphy, John

      Ambrose, Robert

      Grant, Corrie

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Bell, Richard

      Hammond, John

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Boland, John

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Harwood, George

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipper'ry Mid

      Boyle, James

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Brigg, John

      Hayne, Rt. Hn. Chas. Seale-

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Burns, John

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Doherty, William

      Burt, Thomas

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Caldwell, James

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Cameron, Robert

      Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)

      O'Dowd, John

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Joyce, Michael

      O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      O'Malley, William

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      O'Mara, James

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Leamy, Edmund

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Colville, John

      Leigh, Sir Joseph

      O'Shee, James John

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Levy, Maurice

      Partington, Oswald

      Crean, Eugene

      Lloyd-George, David

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Crombie, John William

      Lough, Thomas

      Reddy, M.

      Cullinan, J.

      Lundon, W.

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Daly, James

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Delany, William

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Dillon, John

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Roche, John

      Donelan, Captain A.

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Doogan, P. C.

      M'Govern, T.

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Duffy, William J.

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Elibank, Master of

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Sullivan, Donal

      Field, William

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

      Tennant, Harold John

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Moss, Samuel

      Thompson, Dr. E C (Mon'gh'n, N.

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.

      Murnaghan, George

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Ure, Alexander

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Wallace, Robert

      Whitley, George (Yorks, W. R.

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Weir, James Galloway

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Sir Thomas Esmonde and

      White, Luke (Yorks, E. R.)

      Williams Osmond (Merioneth)

      Mr. Soares.

      CLASS V.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding Resolutions reported in respect of Class V. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      MR. DILLON: On a point of order, I wish to submit that if these resolutions are put thus they will contain two Votes which under the rule cannot be included. An addition was made to this rule in 1898 in the following words—
      "Provided always that any additional Estimate for any new service or matter not included in the original Estimates for the year shall be submitted for consideration in the Committee of Supply on any day not later than two days before the Committee is closed."
      The First Lord of the Treasury, in introducing the rule, said that this proviso had been introduced for the purpose of meeting the views of the right hon. Member for East Wolverhampton and an hon. friend of his own, who, he thought, was the Member for King's Lynn. The objection taken by those two Members was that the closure rule, which they were now engaged in putting into operation, was never intended and ought not to be allowed to apply to any Estimate which had not been submitted for discussion in the House with the ordinary Estimates, or, at all events, two days before the closure was applied. I submit that under the wording of the proviso neither of these Votes, which are Votes raising new points and new policies, has been submitted to the Committee of Supply for consideration two days before the closure of the Committee, and that, therefore, they ought not to be, and cannot be, included in the operation of the rule to-night. The loan to the Viceroy of Wu-chang is a totally new subject, not considered by the House before, and the Treasury Chest Fund in its present shape, is, I contend, a new fund.
      *MR. SPEAKER: I do not think the hon. Member's point is a good one. It
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      does not, in the first place, arise here at all. The question I have to put is "That the House do agree to all the resolutions reported in respect of Class V." This is reported as a resolution, and therefore I am bound to put the question. The question of the hon. Member is one which should have been raised, and probably was raised in Committee in order to be decided by the Chairman. I am not a court of appeal from him, and it does not arise on the question now before the House. I am not in a position to deal with anything that does not arise on the matter before the House. I may say further that I do not think the point was a good one in Committee. According to the construction put by the hon. Member on the rule, he contends, as I understand, that the resolution should be submitted to the actual decision of the House two days before the closure—that is, on Tuesday last. In point of fact, on Wednesday the House specifically ordered that all Votes in Supply should be dealt with under this Order, and they are being so dealt with accordingly; and they were so dealt with yesterday, and that altogether does away with the effect of the proviso. The point really does not arise on the question now before the House. It arose before the Chairman of Committees, and the Chairman decided upon it, and I must say I agree with his decision.
      MR. DILLON: By way of personal explanation I may be permitted to say that when I raised that point in Committee the Chairman adopted a somewhat unusual course, because he said he had consulted you, and he alluded to you as a court of appeal. [Cries of "No no."] I am in the recollection of the House, and I only mention it because the right hon. Gentleman said I ought to have raised the point in Committee of Supply.
      *MR. SPEAKER: I did not say anybody ought to have raised it. I said "if anybody raised it."
      MR. DILLON: I will not of course argue your ruling. I desire to say my contention was based upon the words "submitted for consideration." and I claim that these Votes were not submitted.
      MR. SWIFT MACNEILL: On a point of order. Inasmuch as you have ruled you are not a court of appeal from the Chairman, is there any way of bringing
      the decision of the Chairman under review except by motion?
      *MR. SPEAKER: As the hon. Member is very well aware, there is no way of questioning the decision of the Chairman except by motion.
      Question put.
      The House divided:—Ayes, 202; Noes, 122. (Division List No. 451.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir A. F.

      Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidst'ne

      Lowther, Rt. Hon. J. (Kent)

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

      Lucas, R. J. (Portsmouth)

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

      Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. E.

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Arnold-Forster. Hugh O.

      Finch, George H.

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Arrol, Sir William

      Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Atkinson Rt. Hn. John

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Fisher, William Hayes

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.).

      Balcarres, Lord

      Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon

      M'Killop, Jas. (Stirlingshire)

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey

      Gardner, Ernest

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds

      Gardfit, William

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.

      Milton, Viscount

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Gordon, Hn J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry. South

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

      Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'r H'ml'ts

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Gore. Hn. G. R. C Ormsby- (Salop

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Bignold, Arthur

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

      More, Robert J. (Shropshire)

      Bigwood, James

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow

      Bond, Edward

      Goschen, Hon. George J.

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Goulding. Edward Alfred

      Morris, Hon. Martin Hy. F.

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

      Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Midd'x.

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Mount, William Arthur

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Groves, James Grimble

      Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute

      Burdett-Coutts, W.

      Hain, Edward

      Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)

      Butcher, John George

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Murray, Col. W. (Bath)

      Carlile, William Walter

      Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G. (Mid'x

      Myers, William Henry

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Cayzer, Sir Chas. William

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Haslett, Sir James Homer

      Parker, Gilbert

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc.

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley

      Chapman, Edward

      Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Charrington, Spencer

      Henderson, Alexander

      Pilkington, Lt.-Col. Richard

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Hoult, Joseph

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Colomb, Sir John Chas. Ready

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry C.

      Purvis, Robert

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Pym, C. Guy

      Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Randles, John S.

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Johnstone, H. (Sussex)

      Rankin, Sir. James

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Kenyon, Hon. G. T. (Denbigh

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick W.

      Reid. James (Greenock)

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Lawson, John Grant

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Davenport, William Bromley-

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Renwick, George

      Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'm

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalyb'dge

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Leveson-Gower. Fredk, N. S.

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Ritchie. Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson

      Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers

      Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Doxford, Sir William Theodore

      Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Bristol, S.)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Lowe, Francis William

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Round, James

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk

      Webb, Colonel William George

      Rutherford, John

      Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset

      Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.

      Sackville, Col. S. G Stopford-

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-u.-Lyne

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Williams, Rt. Hn J Powell (Birm.

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Strutt, Hon. Chas. Hedley

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)

      Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Smith, H C (North'mb Tyneside

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.

      Valentia, Viscount

      Sir William Walrond and

      Spear, John Ward

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Mr. Anstruther.

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      NOES.

      Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      O'Doherty, William

      Ambrose, Robert

      Hammond, John

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Harwood, George

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Dowd, John

      Bell, Richard

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Boland, John

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Kelly, J. (Roscommon, N.)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Malley, William

      Boyle, James

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Mara, James

      Brigg, John

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Shanghnessy, P. J.

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Jameson, Maj. J. Eustace

      O'Shee, James John

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Jones, David B. (Swansea)

      Partington, Oswald

      Burns, John

      Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Burt, Thomas

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      Reddy, M.

      Caldwell, James

      Joyce, Michael

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Cameron, Robert

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Leamy, Edmund

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Leigh, Sir Joseph

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Levy, Maurice

      Roche, John

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Lough, Thomas

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Lundon, W.

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Colville, John

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Crean, Eugene

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Sullivan, Donal

      Crombie, John William

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Cullinan, J.

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Tennant, Harold John

      Daly, James

      M'Govern, T.

      Thompson, Dr. E C (Monagh'n N.

      Dalziel, James Henry

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Ure, Alexander

      Delany, William

      Morgan, J. L. (Carmarthen)

      Wallace, Robert

      Dillon, John

      Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Moss, Samuel

      Weir, James Galloway

      Doogan, P. C.

      Murnaghan, George

      White, Luke (Yorks, E. R.)

      Duffy, William J.

      Murphy, John

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Elibank, Master of

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Whiteley, Geo. (Yorks. W. R.)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.)

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Field, William

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Flynn, James Christopher

      O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid.)

      Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Gilhooly, James

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      Grant, Corrie

      O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)

      Sir Thomas Esmonde and

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Mr. Layland-Barratt.

      CLASS VI.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
      Resolutions reported in respect of Class VI. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 201; Noes, 121. (Division List No. 452.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Arrol, Sir William

      Balcarres, Lord

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

      Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W. (Leeds

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Platt-Higgins, Frederick

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Groves, James Grimble

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Hain, Edward

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Hall, Edward Marshall

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Beach. Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

      Hamilton, Rt. Hn. Ld. G. (Midd'x

      Pryce-Jones, Lieut.-Col. Edw.

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robt. Wm.

      Purvis, Robert

      Bignold, Arthur

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Pym, C. Guy

      Bigwood, James

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Randles, John S.

      Bond, Edward

      Heath, James (Staffs., N. W.)

      Rankin, Sir James

      Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-

      Henderson, Alexander

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Hermon-Hodge, Robert T.

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Bull, William James

      Hoult, Joseph

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Butcher, John George

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Carlile, William Walter

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

      Renwick, George

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Hozier, Hon. James Henry C.

      Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Ridley, S. F. (Bethnal Green)

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. Thomson

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

      Kenyon, Hon. C. T. (Denbigh)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Chapman, Edward

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Charrington, Spencer

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Ropner, Colonel Robert

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)

      Round, James

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Lawson, John Grant

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Coghill, Douglas Harry-

      Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)

      Rutherford, John

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Sadler, Col. S. Alexander

      Colomb, Sir J. Charles Ready

      Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

      Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. E. J.

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Long. Rt. Hn. W. (Bristol, S.)

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Lonsdale, John Brownlee

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Lowe, Francis William

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Smith, H C. (North'mb, Tyneside

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth)

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

      Davenport, W. Bromley-

      Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

      Macdona, John Cumming

      Spear, John Ward

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      MacIver, David (Liverpool)

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Doxford, Sir William Theodore

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart

      Milton, Viscount

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Emmott, Alfred

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Fellowes, Hn. Ailwyn Edward

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

      Finch, George H.

      More, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)

      Valentia, Viscount

      Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Walker, Colonel William Hall

      Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Webb, Col. William George

      Gardner, Ernest

      Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)

      Welby, Sir Charles G. (Notts.)

      Garfit, William

      Mount, William Arthur

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und-Lyne

      Godson, Sir August us Frederick

      Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)

      Williams, Rt. Hn. J. Powell (Birm

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)

      Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E. R.

      Gordon, Maj. Evans (T'r H'mlets

      Myers, William Henry

      Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)

      Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby- (S'lp)

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon

      Parker, Gilbert

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

      Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Wellesley

      William Walrond and Mr.

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Anstruther.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Ambrose. Robert

      Bell, Richard

      Boyle, James

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Boland, John

      Brigg, John

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Holland, William Henry

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Horniman, Frederick John

      O'Dowd, John

      Burns, John

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Burt, Thomas

      Jameson, Major J. Eustace

      O'Kelly, Jas. (Rosscommon, N.

      Caldwell, James

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      O'Malley, William

      Cameron, Robert

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      O'Mara, James

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Joyce, Michael

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      O'Shee, James John

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Partington, Oswald

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Leamy, Edmund

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Leigh, Sir Joseph

      Reddy, M.

      Colvile, John

      Levy, Maurice

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Lough, Thomas

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Crean, Eugene

      Lundon, W.

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Crombie, John William

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighsh.)

      Cullinan, J.

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Roche, John

      Daly, James

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      Dalziel, James Henry

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      M'Fadden, Edward

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Delany, William

      M'Govern, T.

      Sullivan, Donal

      Dillon, John

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Mansfield, Horace Rendall

      Thompson, Dr E C (Monagh'n, N.

      Doogan, P. C.

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Duffy, William J.

      Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

      Ure, Alexander

      Elibank, Master of

      Moss, Samuel

      Wallace, Robert

      Field, William

      Murnaghan, George

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Murphy, John.

      Weir, James Galloway

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      White. Luke (Yorks., E. R.)

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.)

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Gilhooly, James

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Whiteley, George (Yorks., W. R.)

      Grant, Corrie

      Norman, Henry

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      Griffith, Ellis J.

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      Gurdon, Sir William Brampton

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid.

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      Hammond, John

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks., W. R.)

      Harmsworth, R. Leicester

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Harwood, George

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir

      Hayden, John Patrick

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Thomas Esmonde and Dr.

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-

      O'Doherty, William

      Shipman.

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      CLASS VII.
      Resolutions read a second time.
      Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
      Resolutions reported in respect of Class VII. of the Civil Service Estimates."
      The House divided:—Ayes, 197; Noes, 120. (Division List No. 453.)

      AYES.

      Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

      Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

      Compton, Lord Alwyne

      Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

      Bull, William James

      Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

      Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

      Bullard, Sir Harry

      Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

      Arkwright, John Stanhope

      Burdett-Coutts, W.

      Cranborne, Viscount

      Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

      Butcher, John George

      Cripps, Charles Alfred

      Arrol, Sir William

      Carlile, William Walter

      Crossley, Sir Savile

      Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

      Cautley, Henry Strother

      Cust, Henry John C.

      Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

      Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

      Davenport, William Bromley-

      Balcarres. Lord

      Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)

      Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

      Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

      Cayzer, Sir Charles William

      Dickson, Charles Scott

      Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W. (Leeds

      Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

      Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

      Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

      Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r)

      Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

      Banbury, Frederick George

      Chapman, Edward

      Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-

      Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

      Charrington, Spencer

      Doxford, Sir W. Theodore

      Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

      Clare, Octavius Leigh

      Duke, Henry Edward

      Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

      Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

      Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

      Bignold, Arthur

      Coghill, Douglas Harry

      Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. H.

      Bigwood, James

      Cohen, Benjamin Louis

      Fellowes, Hon. A. Edward

      Bond, Edward

      Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

      Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

      Bousfield, William Robert

      Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

      Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

      Finch. George H.

      Lowe, Francis William

      Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

      Finlay, Sir R. Bannatyne

      Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

      Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

      Firbank, Joseph Thomas

      Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth)

      Robinson, Brooke

      Fisher, William Hayes

      Macartney, Rt. Hon. W. G. E.

      Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

      Fitzroy, Hon. K. Algernon

      MacIver. David (Liverpool)

      Round, James

      Gardner, Ernest

      Maconochie, A. W.

      Royds, Clement Molyneux

      Garfit, William

      M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

      Rutherford, John

      Godson, Sir Augustus F.

      M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.

      Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

      Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn

      M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

      Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

      Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

      Majendie, James A. H.

      Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.

      Gordon, Maj. Evans- (T'r H'mlts

      Maple, Sir John Blundell

      Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

      Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

      Milton, Viscount

      Seton-Karr, Henry

      Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.

      Molesworth, Sir Lewis

      Sharpe, William Edward T.

      Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon

      Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

      Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

      Goschen, Hon. G. Joachim

      Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

      Skewes-Cox, Thomas

      Goulding, Edward Alfred

      Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

      Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

      Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

      More, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)

      Smith, H C (North'mb. Tyneside

      Greville, Hon. Ronald

      Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)

      Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

      Groves, James Grimble

      Morrell, George Herbert

      Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

      Hain, Edward

      Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

      Spear, John Ward

      Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

      Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)

      Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich

      Hanbury, Rt. Hon. R. Wm.

      Mount, William Arthur

      Stanley, Hon. Arthur) Ormskirk

      Haslett, Sir James Horner

      Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)

      Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset

      Hay, Hon. Claude George

      Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)

      Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

      Heath, J. (Staffords., N. W.

      Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

      Stone, Sir Benjamin

      Henderson, Alexander

      Myers, William Henry

      Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

      Hermon-Hodge, R. Trotter

      Nicol, Donald Ninian

      Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

      Hogg, Lindsay

      Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

      Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

      Hoult, Joseph

      Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert W.

      Thornton, Percy M.

      Houston, Robert Paterson

      Pierpoint, Robert

      Tollemache, Henry James

      Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham

      Platt-Higgins. Frederick

      Tritton, Charles Ernest

      Hozier, Hon. J. Henry Cecil

      Plummer, Walter R.

      Tufnell, Lieut. Col. Edward

      Hudson, George Bickersteth

      Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

      Valentia, Viscount

      Johnston, William (Belfast)

      Pretyman, Ernest George

      Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

      Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

      Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

      Walker, Col. William Hall

      Kenyon, Hon. G. T. (Denbigh)

      Purvis, Robert

      Webb, Colonel William George

      Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

      Pym, C. Guy

      Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)

      Law, Andrew Bonar

      Randles, John S.

      Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und. Lyne

      Lawrence, W. F. (Liverpool)

      Rankin, Sir James

      Williams, Rt. Hn J. Powell- (Birm.

      Lawson, John Grant

      Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

      Wills, Sir Frederick

      Lee, A. H. (Plants, Fareham

      Reid, James (Greenock)

      Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks. E. R.)

      Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

      Remnant, James Farquharson

      Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

      Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

      Renshaw, Charles Bine

      Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

      Leveson Gower, Frederick N. S.

      Rentoul, James Alexander

      Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham

      Renwick, George

      TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

      Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.)

      Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge)

      William Walrond and Mr.

      Lonsdale. John Brownlee

      Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green)

      Anstruther.

      NOES.

      Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

      Crombie, John William

      Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-

      Ambrose, Robert

      Cullinan, J.

      Healy, Timothy Michael

      Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

      Daly, James

      Holland, William Henry

      Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

      Dalziel, James Henry

      Horniman, Frederick John

      Bell, Richard

      Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

      Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

      Boland, John

      Delany, William

      Jameson. Major J. Eustace

      Bolton, Thomas Dolling

      Dillon, John

      Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

      Boyle, James

      Donelan, Captain A.

      Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

      Brigg, John

      Doogan, P. C.

      Jordan, Jeremiah

      Broadhurst, Henry

      Duffy, William J.

      Joyce, Michael

      Burke, E. Haviland-

      Elibank, Master of

      Kennedy, Patrick James

      Burns, John

      Emmott, Alfred

      Layland-Barratt, Francis

      Caldwell, James

      Field, William

      Leamy, Edmund

      Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

      Flavin, Michael Joseph

      Leigh, Sir Joseph

      Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

      Flynn, James Christopher

      Levy, Maurice

      Channing, Francis Allston

      Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

      Lough, Thomas

      Clancy, John Joseph

      Gilhooly, James

      Lundon, W.

      Cogan, Denis J.

      Grant, Corrie

      MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

      Colville, John

      Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

      Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

      Condon, Thomas Joseph

      Hammond, John

      MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

      Crean, Eugene

      Hayden, John Patrick

      M'Dermott, Patrick

      M'Fadden, Edward

      O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

      Sullivan, Donal

      M'Govern, T.

      O'Dowd, John

      Taylor, Theodore Cooke

      M'Kenna, Reginald

      O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

      Tennant, Harold John

      Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

      O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

      Thompson, Dr E C (Monagh'n N.

      Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

      O'Malley, William

      Thomson, F. W. (Yorks, W. R.)

      Moss, Samuel

      O'Mara, James

      Ure, Alexander

      Murnaghan, George

      O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

      Wallace, Robert

      Murphy, John

      O'Shee, James John

      Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

      Nannetti, Joseph P.

      Partington, Oswald

      Weir, James Galloway

      Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.)

      Power, Patrick Joseph

      White, Luke (Yorks, E. R.)

      Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

      Reddy, M.

      White, Patrick (Meath, North)

      Norman, Henry

      Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

      Whiteley, George (Yorks, W. R.)

      Nussey, Thomas Willans

      Redmond, William (Clare)

      Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

      O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid

      Rickett, J. Compton

      Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

      O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

      Roberts, John H. (Denbighsh.)

      Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)

      O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

      Roche, John

      Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks, W. R.)

      O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

      Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

      O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

      Sheehan, Darnel Daniel

      TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

      O'Doherty, William

      Shipman, Dr. John G.

      Sir Thomas Esmonde and

      O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

      Soares, Ernest J.

      Mr. Mansfield.

    NAVY ESTIMATES, 1901–2.
    Resolutions read a second time.
    Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
    Resolutions reported in respect of the Navy Estimates."
    The House divided:—Ayes, 225; Noes, 79. (Division List No. 454.)

    AYES.

    Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

    Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury

    Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

    Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

    Greville, Hon. Ronald

    Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

    Cranborne, Viscount

    Griffith, Ellis J.

    Arkwright, John Stanhope

    Cripps, Charles Alfred

    Groves, James Grimble

    Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

    Crombie, John William

    Hain, Edward

    Arrol, Sir William

    Crossley, Sir Savile

    Hamilton Rt. Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

    Cust, Henry John C.

    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

    Dalziel, James Henry

    Haslett, Sir James Horner

    Balcarres, Lord

    Davenport, William Bromley-

    Hay, Hon. Claude George

    Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

    Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen

    Heath, James (Staffords, N. W.

    Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W (Leeds

    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

    Henderson, Alexander

    Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.)

    Dickson, Charles Scott

    Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

    Banbury, Frederick George

    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

    Hogg, Lindsay

    Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

    Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

    Holland, William Henry

    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A Akers-

    Horniman, Frederick John

    Bignold, Arthur

    Doxford, Sir William Theodore

    Hoult, Joseph

    Bigwood, James

    Duke, Henry Edward

    Houston, Robert Paterson

    Bond, Edward

    Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

    Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

    Bousfield, William Robert

    Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart

    Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

    Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

    Emmott, Alfred

    Hudson, George Bickersteth

    Brigg, John

    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

    Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

    Bullard, Sir Harry

    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

    Johnston, William (Belfast)

    Butcher, John George

    Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

    Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

    Caldwell, James

    Finch, George H.

    Jones, David B. (Swansea)

    Carlile, William Walter

    Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

    Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)

    Cautley, Henry Strother

    Fisher, William Hayes

    Kenyon, Hn. G. T. (Denbigh)

    Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

    Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

    Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.

    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)

    Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

    Law, Andrew Bonar

    Cayzer, Sir Charles William

    Gardner, Ernest

    Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)

    Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

    Garfit, William

    Lawson, John Grant

    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

    Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John

    Layland-Barratt, Francis

    Chapman, Edward

    Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick

    Lee, A. H. (Hants, Fareham)

    Charrington, Spencer

    Gordon, Hn J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)

    Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

    Clare, Octavius Leigh

    Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

    Leigh, Sir Joseph

    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

    Gordon, Maj. Evans- (T'r Hamlets

    Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

    Coghill, Douglas Harry

    Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

    Leng, Sir John

    Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

    Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.

    Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

    Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

    Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

    Colville, John

    Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

    Compton, Lord Alwyne

    Goulding, Edward Alfred

    Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

    Pierpoint, Robert

    Smith, H. C (North'mb. Tyneside

    Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.)

    Platt-Higgins, Frederick

    Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

    Lonsdale, John Brownlee

    Plummer, Walter R.

    Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

    Lowe, Francis William

    Powell, Sir Francis Sharp

    Soares, Ernest J.

    Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

    Pretyman, Ernest George

    Spear, John Ward

    Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth

    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

    Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich

    Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

    Purvis, Robert

    Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk

    Macdona, John Cumming

    Pym, C. Guy

    Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)

    Maconochie, A. W.

    Randles, John S.

    Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

    Rankin, Sir James

    Stone, Sir Benjamin

    M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, K)

    Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

    Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

    M'Killop, Jas. (Stirlingshire)

    Reid, James (Greenock)

    Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

    Majendie, James A. H.

    Remnant, James Farquharson

    Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

    Maple, Sir John Blundell

    Renshaw, Charles Bine

    Tennant, Harold John

    Milton, Viscount

    Rentoul, James Alexander

    Thomson, F. W. (York. W. R.)

    Molesworth, Sir Lewis

    Renwick, George

    Thornton, Percy M.

    Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

    Rickett, J. Compton

    Tollemache, Henry James

    Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

    Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge

    Tritton, Charles Ernest

    Moore, William (Antrim N)

    Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

    Tufnell, Lieut.-Col, Edward

    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

    Ritchie. Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

    Ure, Alexander

    Morgan, J. (Walthamstow)

    Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

    Valentia. Viscount

    Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)

    Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

    Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

    Morrell, George Herbert

    Robinson, Brooke

    Walker, Col. William Hall

    Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

    Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

    Wallace, Robert

    Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

    Round, James

    Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

    Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

    Royds, Clement Molyneux

    Webb, Colonel William George

    Mount, William Arthur

    Rutherford. John

    Weir, James Golloway

    Murray, Rt. Hn. A. Graham (Bute

    Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

    Welby, Sir Charles C. E. (Notts.)

    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

    Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

    Whiteley, H. (Ashton-un.-Lyne)

    Murray, Col., Wyndham (Bath)

    Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

    Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

    Myers, William Henry

    Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J.

    Wills, Sir Frederick

    Nicol, Donald Ninian

    Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

    Wilson, A. Stanley (York. E. R.)

    Norman, Henry

    Sharpe, William Edward T.

    Wodehouse, Rt. Hon. E. R. (Bath)

    Nussey, Thomas Willans

    Shipman, Dr. John G.

    Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

    Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

    Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

    Partington, Oswald

    Skewes-Cox, Thomas

    Sir William Walrond and

    Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley

    Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

    Mr. Anstruther.

    NOES.

    Abraham, W. (Cork, N. E.)

    Hayne, Rt. Hon. C. Seale-

    O'Doherty, William

    Ambrose, Robert

    Healy, Timothy Michael

    O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

    Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

    Jameson, Major J. Eustace

    O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

    Boland, John

    Jordan, Jeremiah

    O'Dowd, John

    Boyle, James

    Joyce, Michael

    O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

    Broadhurst, Henry

    Kennedy, Patrick James

    O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

    Burke, E. Haviland-

    Leamy, Edmund

    O'Malley, William

    Burns, John

    Levy, Maurice

    O'Mara, James

    Campbell, J. (Armagh, S.)

    Lough, Thomas

    O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

    Carvill, Patrick G. Hamilton

    Lundon, W.

    O'Shee, James John

    Clancy, John Joseph

    MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

    Power, Patrick Joseph

    Cogan, Denis J.

    Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.

    Reddy, M.

    Condon, Thomas Joseph

    MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

    Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

    Crean, Eugene

    M'Dermott, Patrick

    Redmond, William (Clare)

    Cullinan, J.

    M'Fadden, Edward

    Roche, John

    Daly, James

    M'Govern, T.

    Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

    Delany, William

    Mansfield, Horace Rendall

    Sullivan, Donal

    Dillon, John

    Moss, Samuel

    Taylor, Theodore Cooke

    Donelan, Captain A.

    Murnaghan, George

    White, Luke (York. E. R.)

    Doogan, P. C.

    Murphy John

    White, Patrick (Meath, North)

    Dully, William J.

    Nannetti, Joseph P.

    Whiteley, George (York. W. R.)

    Field, William

    Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.

    Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

    Flavin, Michael Joseph

    Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

    Wilson, Henry J. (York. W. R.)

    Flynn, James Christopher

    O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid

    Gilhooly, James

    O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

    Grant, Corrie

    O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

    Sir Thomas Esmonde and

    Hammond, John

    O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

    Mr. Bell.

    Hayden, John Patrick

    O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    ARMY ESTIMATES, 1901–2.
    Resolutions road a second time.
    Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding
    Resolutions reported in respect of the Army Estimates."
    The House divided:—Ayes, 219; Noes, 78. (Division List No. 455.)

    AYES.

    Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

    Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

    Lonsdale, John Brownlee

    Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

    Dyke. Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart

    Lowe, Francis William

    Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

    Elibank, Master of

    Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

    Arkwright, John Stanhope

    Emmott, Alfred

    Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)

    Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

    Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

    Arrol, Sir William

    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

    Macdona, John Cumming

    Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John

    Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

    Maconochie, A. W.

    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

    Finch, George H.

    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

    Balcarres, Lord

    Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

    M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.)

    Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

    Fisher, William Hayes

    M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)

    Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

    Majendie, James A. H.

    Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch)

    Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)

    Maple, Sir John Blundell

    Banbury, Frederick George

    Gardner, Ernest

    Milton, Viscount

    Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin

    Garfit, William

    Molesworth, Sir Lewis

    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

    Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick

    Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

    Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)

    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

    Bignold, Arthur

    Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South

    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

    Bigwood, James

    Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'r Hamlets

    Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow

    Bond, Edward

    Gore. Hn G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop)

    Morrell, George Herbert

    Bousfield, William Robert

    Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Lincs.)

    Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

    Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex)

    Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

    Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

    Brigg, John

    Goulding, Edward Alfred

    Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

    Bull, William James

    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

    Mount, William Arthur

    Burdett-Coutts, W.

    Greville, Hon. Ronald

    Murray, Rt. Hn. A. Graham (Bute

    Butcher, John George

    Groves, James Grimble

    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

    Caldwell, James

    Hain, Edward

    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

    Carlile, William Walter

    Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G (Middl'x

    Myers, William Henry

    Cautley, Henry Strother

    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

    Nicol, Donald Ninian

    Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

    Haslett, Sir James Horner

    Norman, Henry

    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)

    Hay, Hon. Claude G.

    Nussey, Thomas Willans

    Cayzer, Sir Charles William

    Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.)

    Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

    Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

    Henderson, Alexander

    Partington, Oswald

    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r)

    Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

    Peel, Hon. Wm. Robert W.

    Chapman, Edward

    Hogg, Lindsay

    Pierpoint, Robert

    Charrington, Spencer

    Holland, William Henry

    Platt-Higgins, Frederick

    Clare, Octavius Leigh

    Horniman, Frederick John

    Plummer, Walter R.

    Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E.

    Hoult, Joseph

    Pretyman, Ernest George

    Coghill Douglas Harry

    Houston, Robert Paterson

    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

    Collings, Rt. Hn. Jesse

    Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

    Purvis, Robert

    Colomb, Sir John Chas. Ready

    Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

    Randles, John S.

    Colville, John

    Hudson, George Bickersteth

    Rankin, Sir James

    Compton, Lord Alwyne

    Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

    Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

    Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

    Johnston, William (Belfast)

    Reid, James (Greenock)

    Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

    Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

    Remnant, James Farquharson

    Cranborne, Viscount

    Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

    Renshaw, Charles Bine

    Cripps, Charles Alfred

    Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)

    Rentoul, James Alexander

    Crombie, John William

    Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

    Renwick, George

    Crossley, Sir Savile

    Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

    Rickett, J. Compton

    Cust, Henry John C.

    Law, Andrew Bonar

    Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge)

    Dalziel, James Henry

    Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)

    Ridley, S. F. (Bethnal Green)

    Davenport, W. Bromley-

    Lawson, John Grant

    Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.

    Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

    Layland-Barratt, Francis

    Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

    Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham

    Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

    Dickson, Charles Scott

    Leigh, Sir Joseph

    Robinson, Brooke

    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

    Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

    Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

    Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

    Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

    Round, James

    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers

    Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

    Royds, Clement Molyneux

    Doxford, Sir William Theodore

    Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

    Rutherford, John

    Duke, Henry Edward

    Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.)

    Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

    Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

    Stone, Sir Benjamin

    Webb, Colonel William George

    Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

    Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

    Weir, James Galloway

    Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

    Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

    Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)

    Sharpe, William Edward T.

    Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

    Whiteley, H. (Ashton-u.-Lyne)

    Shipman, Dr. John G.

    Tennant, Harold John

    Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

    Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

    Thomson, F. W. (Yorks. W. R.)

    Wills, Sir Frederick

    Skewes-Cox, Thomas

    Thornton, Percy M.

    Wilson, A. Stanley (York. E. R.)

    Smith, Abel H. (Hertford. East)

    Tollemache, Henry James

    Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

    Smith, H C (North'mb. Tyneside

    Tritton, Charles Ernest

    Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

    Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

    Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

    Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

    Ure, Alexander

    Soares, Ernest J.

    Valentia, Viscount

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir

    Spear, John Ward

    Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)

    William Walrond and Mr.

    Stanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk

    Walker, Col. William Hall

    Anstruther.

    Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)

    Wallace, Robert

    Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

    Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

    NOES.

    Abraham, W. (Cork, N. E.)

    Hayden, John Patrick

    O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    Ambrose, Robert

    Hayne, Rt. Hon. C. Seale-

    O'Doherty, William

    Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

    Healy, Timothy Michael

    O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

    Bell, Richard

    Jameson, Major J. Eustace

    O Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

    Boland, John

    Jordan, Jeremiah

    O'Dowd, John

    Boyle, James

    Joyce, Michael

    O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

    Broadhurst, Henry-

    Kennedy, Patrick James

    O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

    Burke, E. Haviland-

    Loamy, Edmund

    O'Malley, William

    Burns, John

    Levy, Maurice

    O'Mara, James

    Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

    Lough, Thomas

    O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

    Carvill, Patrick G. Hamilton

    Lundon, W.

    O'Shee, James John

    Channing, Francis Allston

    MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

    Power, Patrick Joseph

    Clancy, John Joseph

    MacNeill, John Cordon Swift

    Reddy, M.

    Cogan, Denis J.

    M'Dermott, Patrick

    Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

    Condon, Thomas Joseph

    M'Fadden, Edward

    Redmond, William (Clare)

    Crean, Eugene

    M'Govern, T.

    Roche, John

    Cullinan, J.

    Mansfield, Horace Rendall

    Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

    Daly, James

    Moss, Samuel

    Sullivan, Donal

    Delany, William

    Murnaghan, George

    Taylor, Theodore Cooke

    Dillon, John

    Murphy, John

    White, Luke (Yorks, E. R.)

    Doogan, P. C.

    Nannetti, Joseph P.

    White, Patrick (Meath, North)

    Duffy, William J.

    Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.)

    Whiteley, George (Yorks, W. R.

    Field, William

    Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

    Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

    Flavin, Michael Joseph

    O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid.

    Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks, W. R.

    Flynn, James Christopher

    O'Brian. Patrick (Kilkenny)

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

    Gilhooly, James

    O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

    Sir Thomas Esmonde and

    Hammond, John

    O'Connor. James (Wicklow, W.)

    Captain Donelan.

    REVENUE DEPARTMENTS ESTIMATES, 1901–2.
    Resolutions road a second time.
    Question put, "That this House doth
    agree with the Committee in the outstanding Resolutions reported in respect of the Revenue Departments."
    The House divided:—Ayes, 185; Noes, 106, (Division List No. 456)

    AYES.

    Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

    Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

    Bullard, Sir Harry

    Agg-Gardner, James-Tynte

    Banbury, Frederick George

    Burdett-Coutts, W.

    Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

    Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

    Butcher, John George

    Arkwright, John Stanhope

    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

    Carlile, William Walter

    Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

    Cautley, Henry Strother

    Arrol, Sir William

    Bignold, Arthur

    Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

    Bigwood, James

    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire)

    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

    Bond, Edward

    Cayzer, Sir Charles William

    Balcarres, Lord

    Bousfield, William Robert

    Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

    Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

    Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex

    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r

    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W. (Leeds)

    Bull, William James

    Chapman, Edward

    Charrington, Spencer

    Johnston, William (Belfast)

    Remnant, James Farquharson

    Clare, Octavius Leigh

    Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

    Renshaw, Charles Bine

    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

    Rentoul, James Alexander

    Coghill, Douglas Harry

    Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh.)

    Renwick, George

    Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

    Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge

    Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

    Lambton, Hon. Frederick, Wm.

    Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

    Compton, Lord Alwyne

    Law, Andrew Bonar

    Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

    Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

    Lawrence, Wm. E. (Liverpool)

    Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

    Cranborne, Viscount

    Lawson, John Grant

    Robinson, Brooke

    Crossley, Sir Savile

    Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

    Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

    Cust, Henry John C.

    Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

    Royds, Clement Molyneux

    Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

    Rutherford, John

    Davenport, William Bromley

    Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

    Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

    Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

    Dickson, Charles Scott

    Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.

    Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

    Lonsdale, John Brownlee

    Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

    Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

    Lowe, Francis William

    Sharpe, William Edward T.

    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-

    Lowther, C. (Cumb. Eskdale)

    Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

    Doxford, Sir William Theodore

    Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth

    Skewes-Cox, Thomas

    Duke, Henry Edward

    Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, E.)

    Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

    Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

    Smith, H. C. (Nrth'mb. Tyneside

    Macdona, John Cumming

    Smith, James Parker (Lanarks)

    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward

    Maconochie, A. W.

    Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)

    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)

    Spear, John Ward

    Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst

    M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.

    Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich)

    Finch, George H.

    M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

    Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk)

    Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne

    Majendie, James A. H.

    Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)

    Fisher, William Hayes

    Maple, Sir John Blundell

    Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

    Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon

    Milton, Viscount

    Stone, Sir Benjamin

    Molesworth, Sir Lewis

    Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley

    Gardner, Ernest

    Montague, G. (Huntingdon)

    Sturt, Hn. Humphry Napier

    Garfit, William

    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

    Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick

    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire

    Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

    Gordon, Hn. J. E (Elgin & Nairn)

    Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow

    Thornton, Percy M.

    Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

    Morrell, George Herbert

    Tollemache, Henry James

    Gordon, Maj Evans- (T'r H'mlets

    Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

    Tritton, Charles Ernest

    Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

    Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford

    Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

    Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

    Mount, William Arthur

    Goschen, Hon. George Joachim

    Murray, Rt. Hn A. Graham (Bute

    Valentia, Viscount

    Goulding, Edward Alfred

    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)

    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

    Walker, Col. William Hall

    Greville, Hon. Ronald

    Myers, William Henry

    Webb, Colonel William George

    Groves, James Grimble

    Weir, James Galloway

    Nicol, Donald Ninian

    Welby, Sir. Charles G. E. (Notts)

    Hain, Edward

    Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und-Lyne

    Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

    Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

    Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.

    Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley

    Wills, Sir Frederick

    Haslett, Sir James Horner

    Pierpoint, Robert

    Wilson, A. Stanley (York. E. R)

    Hay, Hon. Claude George

    Platt-Higgins, Frederick

    Wodehouse Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)

    Heath, James (Staffords, N. W.

    Plummer, Walter R.

    Wyndham, Rt. Hn. George

    Henderson, Alexander

    Pretyman, Ernest George

    Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter

    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

    Hogg, Lindsay

    Purvis, Robert

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

    Hoult, Joseph

    Sir William Walrond and

    Houston, Robert Paterson

    Randles, John S.

    Mr. Anstruther.

    Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)

    Rankin, Sir James

    Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil

    Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

    Hudson, George Bickersteth

    Reid, James (Greenock)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

    Caldwell, James

    Cullinan, J.

    Ambrose, Robert

    Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

    Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

    Daly, James

    Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

    Channing, Francis Allston

    Dalziel, James Henry

    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)

    Clancy, John Joseph

    Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)

    Bell, Richard

    Cogan, Denis J.

    Delany, William

    Boland, John

    Colville, John

    Dillon, John

    Boyle, James

    Condon, Thomas Joseph

    Donelan, Captain A.

    Brigg, John

    Crean, Eugene

    Doogan, P. C.

    Burke, E. Haviland-

    Crombie, John William

    Duffy, William J.

    Elibank, Master of

    MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

    Power, Patrick Joseph

    Emmott, Alfred

    M'Dermott, Patrick

    M'Fadden, Edward

    Reddy, M.

    Field, William

    M'Govern, T.

    Redmond, John E. (Waterford

    Flavin, Michael Joseph

    Mansfield, Horace Rendall

    Redmond, William (Clare)

    Flynn, James Christopher

    Morgan, J. L. (Carmarthen)

    Rickett, J. Compton

    Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)

    Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

    Gilhooly, James

    Moss, Samuel

    Roche, John

    Murnaghan, George

    Hammond, John

    Murphy, John

    Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

    Hayden, John Patrick

    Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-

    Nannetti, Joseph P.

    Shipman, Dr. John G.

    Healy, Timothy Michael

    Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N.)

    Soares, Ernest J.

    Holland, William Henry

    Nolan, Joseph (Louth, S.)

    Sullivan, Donal

    Horniman, Frederick John

    Nussey, Thomas Willans

    Taylor, Theodore Cooke

    Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

    Thompson, Dr E C (Monagh'n, N.

    O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid

    Thomson, F. W. (York. W. R.)

    Jameson, Major J. Eustace

    O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

    Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

    O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

    Ure, Alexander

    Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

    O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)

    Jordan, Jeremiah

    O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)

    Joyce, Michael

    O'Doherty, William

    White, Luke (York. E. R.)

    O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

    White, Patrick (Meath, N.)

    Kennedy, Patrick James

    O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

    Whitley, George (York. W. R.)

    O'Dowd, John

    Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

    Layland-Barratt, Francis

    O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

    Wilson, Henry J. (York. W. R.)

    Leamy, Edmund

    O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.)

    Leigh, Sir Joseph

    O'Malley, William

    Levy, Maurice

    O'Mara, James

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

    Lough, Thomas

    O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

    Sir Thomas Esmonde and

    Lundon, W.

    O'Shee, James John

    Mr. Broadhurst.

    MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

    Partington, Oswald

  SUPPLY [31ST JULY.]
  Resolution reported.
  "That a sum, not exceeding £100,000, be granted to His Majesty to be issued to Field Marshal Earl Roberts of Candahar, K.G., K.P., G.C.B., G. G.S.I., G.C.I.E., V.C., Commander-in-Chief of His Majesty's Forces, in recognition of his eminent services during the war in South Africa."
  Resolution read a second time.
  Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."
  The House divided:—Ayes, 192; Noes, 73. (Division List No. 457.)

  AYES.

  Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.

  Bond, Edward

  Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)

  Agg-Gardner, James Tynte

  Bousfield, William Hubert

  Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge

  Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel

  Bullard, Sir Harry

  Cranborne, Viscount

  Arkwright, John Stanhope

  Butcher, John George

  Crossley, Sir Savile

  Arnold-Forster, Hugh O.

  Carlile, William Walter

  Cust, Henry John C.

  Arrol, Sir William

  Cautley, Henry Strother

  Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John

  Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.)

  Davenport, William Bromley

  Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire

  Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham

  Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy

  Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)

  Dickson, Charles Scott

  Balcarres, Lord

  Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r)

  Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.

  Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)

  Chapman, Edward

  Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph

  Balfour, Rt. Hn. Gerald W. (Leeds

  Charrington, Spencer

  Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers

  Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.

  Clare, Octavius Leigh

  Doxford, Sir William Theodore

  Banbury, Frederick George

  Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.

  Duke, Henry Edward

  Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin

  Coghill, Douglas Harry

  Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin

  Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks

  Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse

  Elibank, Master of

  Bentinck, Lord Henry C.

  Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready

  Emmott, Alfred

  Bignold, Arthur

  Colville, John

  Bigwood, James

  Compton, Lord Alwyne

  Fellowes, Hon. A. Edward

  Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r

  Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)

  Robinson, Brooke

  Fielden, Edw. Brocklehurst

  Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.)

  Rolleston, Sir John F. L.

  Finch, George H.

  Lonsdale, John Brownlee

  Royds, Clement Molyneux

  Finlay, Sir R. Bannatyne

  Lowe, Francis William

  Rutherford, John

  Fisher, William Hayes

  Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)

  Fitzroy, Hon. E. Algernon

  Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth)

  Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-

  Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander

  Gardner, Ernest

  Macartney, Rt. Hn. W. G. Ellison

  Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)

  Garfit, William

  Macdona, John Cumming

  Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)

  Godson, Sir A. Frederick

  Maconochie, A. W.

  Sharpe, William Edward T.

  Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn)

  M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.)

  Sinclair, Louis (Romford)

  Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)

  M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)

  Skewes-Cox, Thomas

  Gordon, Maj. Evans- (T'r H'ml'ts

  Majendie, James A. H.

  Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)

  Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby- (Salop

  Maple, Sir John Blundell

  Smith, H. C (North'mb. Tyneside

  Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)

  Milton, Viscount

  Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.)

  Goschen, Hon. G. Joachim

  Molesworth, Sir Lewis

  Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)

  Goulding, Edward Alfred

  Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)

  Spear, John Ward

  Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)

  Moore, William (Antrim, N.)

  Spencer, Ernest (W. Bromwich)

  Greville, Hon. Ronald

  More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)

  Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset)

  Groves, James Grimble

  Morgan, David J (Walthamstow

  Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)

  Morrell, George Herbert

  Stone, Sir Benjamin

  Hain, Edward

  Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.

  Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

  Hamilton, Rt. Hn Lord G. (Midd'x

  Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford)

  Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

  Hanbury, Rt. Hon. R. Wm.

  Mount, William Arthur

  Harris, Frederick Leverton

  Murray, Rt. Hn. A Graham (Bute

  Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)

  Haslett, Sir James Horner

  Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)

  Tennant, Harold John

  Hay, Hon. Claude George

  Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)

  Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)

  Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.

  Myers, William Henry

  Thornton, Percy M.

  Henderson, Alexander

  Tollemache, Henry James

  Hermon-Hodge, R. Trotter

  Nicol, Donald Ninian

  Tritton, Charles Ernest

  Hogg, Lindsay

  Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward

  Holland, William Henry

  Palmer, Walter (Salisbury)

  Hoult, Joseph

  Peel, Hon. Wm. Robert Wellesley

  Ure, Alexander

  Houston, Robert Paterson

  Pierpoint, Robert

  Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham

  Platt-Higgins, Frederick

  Valentia, Viscount

  Hozier, Hon. J. Henry Cecil

  Plummer, Walter R.

  Pretyman, Ernest George

  Walker, Col. William Hall

  Johnston, William (Belfast)

  Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward

  Webb, Colonel William George

  Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

  Purvis, Robert

  Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)

  Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea

  White, Luke (York. E. R.)

  Jones, William (Carnarvonshire

  Randles, John S.

  Whiteley, H. (Ashton-und. Lyne

  Rankin, Sir James

  Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)

  Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)

  Rasch, Major Frederic Carne

  Whittaker, Thomas Palmer

  Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.

  Reid, James (Greenock)

  Wills, Sir Frederick

  Law, Andrew Bonar

  Remnant, James Farquharson

  Wilson, A. Stanley (York. E. R.)

  Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)

  Rentoul, James Alexander

  Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E R. (Bath)

  Lawson, John Grant

  Renwick, George

  Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George

  Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage

  Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge

  Leigh, Sir Joseph

  Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green

  TELLERS FOR THE AYES—

  Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie

  Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson

  Sir William Walrond and

  Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.

  Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)

  Mr. Anstruther.

  Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine

  Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)

  NOES.

  Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)

  Duffy, William J.

  MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.

  Ambrose, Robert

  Field, William

  MacNeill, John Gordon Swift

  Barry, E. (Cork, S.)

  Flavin, Michael Joseph

  M'Dermott, Patrick

  Boland, John

  Flynn, James Christopher

  M'Fadden, Edward

  Boyle, James

  Gilhooly, James

  M'Govern, T.

  Brigg, John

  Hammond, John

  Mansfield, Horace Rendall

  Broadhurst, Henry

  Hayden, John Patrick

  Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)

  Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)

  Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Scale-

  Moss, Samuel

  Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton

  Healy, Timothy Michael

  Murnaghan, George

  Clancy, John Joseph

  Horniman, Frederick John

  Murphy, John

  Cogan, Denis J.

  Jameson, Major J. Eustace

  Nannetti, Joseph P.

  Condon, Thomas Joseph

  Jordan, Jeremiah

  Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)

  Crean, Eugene

  Joyce, Michael

  O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid)

  Cullinan, J.

  Kennedy, Patrick James

  O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)

  Daly, James

  Leamy, Edmund

  O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)

  Delany, William

  Levy, Maurice

  O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)

  Dillon, John

  Lough, Thomas

  O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

  Doogan, P. C.

  Lundon, W.

  O'Doherty, William

  O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)

  O'Shee, James John

  Sullivan, Dona

  O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)

  Power, Patrick Joseph

  White, Patrick (Meath, North)

  O'Dowd, John

  Reddy, M.

  Wilson, Henry J. (York. W. R.)

  O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)

  Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

  O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.

  Redmond, William (Clare)

  TELLERS FOR THE NOES—

  O'Malley, William

  Roche, John

  Sir Thomas Esmonde and

  O'Mara, James

  Sheehan, Daniel Daniel

  Captain Donelan.

  O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

  Shipman, Dr. John G.

  Motion made, and Question, "That this House do now adjourn "—(Mr. John Redmond), put, and agreed to.

  NAVY AND ARMY EXPENDITURE, 1890–1900.
  Resolutions reported.
  Whereas it appears by the Navy Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March, 1900, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:—

  (a) That the gross expenditure for certain Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £1,151,718 11s. 2d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £1,749,812 15s. 2d., as shown in column No. 2 of the said appended schedule, so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Navy Services fell short of the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £598,094 4s.;

  (b) That the total actual receipts in aid of the grants for Navy Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by

  SCHEDULE.

  Number of Vote.

  Navy Services, 1899–1900. Votes.

  Gross Expenditure.

  Appropriations in Aid.

  Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.

  Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.

  Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  1.

  2.

  3.

  4.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  1

  Wages, etc., of Officers, Seamen, and Boys, Coast Guard, and Royal Marines

  —

  29,559

  17

  0

  —

  5,078

  14

  0

  2

  Victualling and Clothing for the Navy

  245,366

  4

  17

  —

  —

  94,407

  5

  11

  3

  Medical Establishments and Services

  —

  29

  16

  11

  —

  1,745

  7

  6

  4

  Martial Law

  2,601

  17

  8

  —

  —

  40

  17

  2

  the sum of £265,185 6s. 6d., as shown in column No. 4 of the said appended schedule;
  (c) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Navy Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz:—

  £

  s.

  d.

  Total Surpluses

  1,793,043

  11

  2

  Total Deficits

  929, 764

  0

  8

  Net Surplus

  £863, 279

  10

  6

  And whereas the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Navy Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated Appropriations-in-Aid, in respect of the same Services; and have also temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Navy Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Navy Services.
  1. "That the application of such sums be sanctioned."

  Number of Vote.

  Navy Services, 1899–1900. Votes.

  Gross Expenditure.

  Appropriations in Aid.

  Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.

  Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.

  Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  1.

  2.

  3.

  4.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  5

  …

  Educational Services

  —

  5,001

  12

  6

  —

  395

  7

  3

  6

  …

  Scientific Services.

  —

  1,148

  15

  2

  —

  5,159

  13

  10

  7

  …

  Royal Naval Reserves

  42,243

  13

  1

  —

  95

  3

  3

  8

  …

  Shipbuilding, Repairs, Maintenance, etc.:

  Sec. 1

  …

  Personnel

  64,419

  0

  2

  —

  —

  240

  9

  11

  Sec. 2

  …

  Matériel

  809,951

  11

  11

  —

  —

  126,088

  17

  4

  Sec. 3

  …

  Contract Work

  —

  1,489,405

  13

  5

  —

  315

  3

  3

  9

  …

  Naval Armaments

  —

  124,970

  1

  9

  —

  19,413

  14

  9

  10

  …

  Works, Buildings, and Repairs at Home and Abroad

  —

  40,256

  2

  7

  —

  10,865

  15

  8

  11

  …

  Miscellaneous Effective Services

  27,140

  8

  7

  —

  —

  1,135

  0

  2

  12

  …

  Admiralty Office

  —

  4,499

  8

  8

  —

  10

  7

  13

  …

  Half-pay, Reserved and Retired Pay

  —

  808

  7

  5

  —

  17

  3

  6

  14

  …

  Naval and Marine Pensions, Gratuities, and Compassionate Allowances

  —

  10,130

  5

  1

  —

  118

  17

  10

  15

  …

  Civil Pensions and Gratuities

  —

  1,759

  1

  7

  —

  25

  4

  7

  16

  …

  Additional Naval Force for Service in Australasian Waters

  42

  16

  0

  —

  —

  42

  0

  0

  Amount written off as irrecoverable

  2,196

  12

  0

  —

  —

  —

  1,151,718

  11

  2

  1,749,812

  15

  2

  —

  265,185

  6

  6

  Net Surplus,

  £598,094

  4

  0

  Surplus,

  £265,185

  6

  6

  Surplus surrendered to the Exchequer

  £863,279

  10

  6

  Where as it appears by the Army Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March, 1900, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:—

  (a) That the gross expenditure for certain Army Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £950,384 16s. 6d., as shown in column No. 1 of the schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Army Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of
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  £1,634,061 5s. 2d., as shown in column No. 2 of the said appended schedule; so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Army Services fell short of the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £683,676 8s. 8d.;

  (b) That the receipts in aid of Certain Army Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £262,092 2s. 3d., as shown in column No. 3 of the said appended schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Army Services exceeded the estimate

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  of such receipts by a total sum of £1343,217 16s. 10d., as shown in column No. 4 of the said appended schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Army Services fell short of the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £131,874 5s. 5d.;

  (c) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Army Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—

  £

  s.

  d.

  Total Surpluses

  1,437,483

  17

  3

  Total Deficits

  885,681

  14

  0

  Net Surplus

  £551,802

  3

  3

  And whereas the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Army Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the Estimated Appropriations-in-Aid, in respect of the same Services; and have also temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Army Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Army Services.
  2."That the application of such sums be sanctioned."

  No. of vote.

  Army Services, 1899–1900. Votes.

  Gross Expenditure.

  Appropriations in Aid.

  Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure

  Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.

  Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.

  1.

  2.

  3.

  4.

  16

  Superannuation, Compensation, and Compassionate Allowances

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  £

  s.

  d.

  643

  2

  8

  —

  —

  91

  6

  2

  Balances irrecoverable

  757

  18

  5

  1,634,061

  5

  2

  —

  —

  950,384

  16

  6

  1,634,061

  5

  2

  262,092

  2

  3

  130,217

  16

  10

  Net Surplus,

  £683,676

  8

  8

  Net Deficit,

  £131,874

  5

  5

  Surplus surrendered to the Exchequer

  £551,802

  3

  3

  MR. JOHN REDMOND: I rise for the purpose of moving the adjournment and, at the same time, making a suggestion to the right hon. Gentleman in charge of the business of the House to-night. This resolution and the one which immediately follows on the Paper were discussed last night at considerable length, one of the contentions of my hon. friends being that there was no absolute necessity for the Government to bring them on then, as it was not proposed to take the Second Reading of the Appropriation Bill until Thursday. The Government, however, persisted, and there was a long discussion. There is no disposition on the part of my hon. friends to repeat that long discussion to night, and what I would suggest to the Government is that they should allow the Report of these two resolutions to stand over until Monday, and the House to adjourn immediately, on the understanding, which I have no hesitation in entering into, that when they come up on Monday there shall not be the slightest disposition on the part of my hon. friends to prolong the discussion thereon. They may desire to take a division, but so far as discussion is concerned there will be no disposition to stand in the way of the Government getting the resolutions on Monday. Under these circumstances, I think it would be for the general convenience of the House now, and for the convenience of the despatch of business next week, if the Government acceded to the suggestion I have made, and accepted the motion I now move.
  *THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. RITCHIE,: I need scarcely say that the Government have every desire to consult the convenience of the House, consistently with the due despatch of public business, and certainly there is no desire on the part of the Government to keep the House sitting to-night unnecessarily after the late sitting of last night. The hon. Gentleman makes the proposal that these two resolutions, instead of being taken to-night, with, perhaps, long discussion, shall be taken on Monday, when he gives the ordinary undertaking across the floor of the House that, so far as he and his friends are concerned, there will be no discussion—
  MR. JOHN REDMOND: No protracted discussion.
  *MR. RITCHIE: Although there may be a division. That would enable the Government to introduce the Appropriation Bill on Monday, beyond which it is necessary it should not be delayed. The Government are prepared to accept the assurance of the hon. Gentleman, and on that understanding we will consent not to take these resolutions to-night.
  Report deferred till Monday next.
  Adjourned accordingly at twenty minutes before One of the clock till Monday next.

ROYAL ASSENT.

  COMMISSION.
  The following Bills received the Royal Assent:—

  1. Education (Scotland).

  2. Larceny.

  3. Education (No. 2).

  4. Local Government Provisional Orders (No. 7).

  5. Local Government Provisional Order (No. 11).

  6. Local Government Provisional Order (Port).

  7. Local Government Provisional Orders (Housing of Working Classes) (No. 2).

  8. Kirkcaldy and Dysart Water Order Confirmation.

  9. Education Board Provisional Order Confirmation (Barnes, etc.)

  10. Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 7.)

  11. Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 8.)

  12. Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 9.)

  13. Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 11.)

  14. Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 12.)

  15. Glasgow Corporation (Tramways and General) Order Confirmation.

  16. Pier and Harbour Provisional Orders (No. 3.)

  17. Tramways Orders Confirmation (No. 2.)

  18. Tramways Orders Confirmation (No. 3.)

  19. Tramways Orders Confirmation (No. 4.)

  20. Edinburgh Corporation Order Confirmation.

  21. Stirling Corporation Order Confirmation.

  22. Kilmarnock Corporation Order Confirmation.

  23. Wigan Corporation Tramways, etc.

  24. North British Railway.

  25. South Metropolitan Gas.

  26. Leeds Churches.

  27. Worcester Tramways.

  28. Chester Corporation Tramways.

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  29. Manchester Corporation.

  30. Long Eaton Gas.

  31. Stalybridge, Hyde, Mossley, and Dukinfield Tramways and Electricity Board.

  32. Wells Corporation Water.

  33. Albion Steam Coal Company.

  34. Stockport Corporation Water.

  35. Bridewell Hospital.

  36. Freshwater, Yarmouth, and Newport Railway.

  37. Bradford Corporation.

  38. Humber Commercial Railway and Dock.

  39. London, Tilbury, and Southend Railway.

  40. Paisley Police and Public Health.

  41. Central London Railway (No. 2).

  42. Dover Harbour.

  43. South Essex Water.

  44. Great Southern and Western Railway.

  45. Bournemouth Corporation.

  46. Broadstairs and St. Peter's Water and Improvement.

  47. Golborne Gas.

  48. Taff Vale Railway.

  49. Christ's Hospital (London).

  50. Doncaster Tithe Trust.

  51. Harrogate Water.

  52. Newport (Isle of Wight) Gas.

  53. Elland Gas.

  54. Barrow-in-Furness Corporation.

  55. Dublin (Equalisation of Rates).

  56. Metropolitan District Railway.

  57. Arlesey Gas.

  58. Salford Corporation.

  59. Blackburn Corporation.

  60. Brighton Corporation.

  61. Clyde Valley Electrical Power.

  62. Glasgow and South-Western Railway.

  63. London and India Docks (New Works).

  64. Metropolitan Electric Supply.

  65. Rhyl Improvement.

  66. Shireoaks, Laughton, and Maltby Railway.

  67. Birmingham (City) Tramways.

  68. Shipley Improvement.

  69. Biggleswade Water Board.

  70. Bethlem Hospital.

  71. Easton and Church Hope Railway.

  72. Heywood and Middleton Water Board.

  73. South-Eastern and London, Chatham, and Dover Railways.

  74. Tyneside Tramways and Tram-roads.

  75. Cardiff Railway.

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  76. Cork, Blackrock, and Passage Railway.

  77. Mond Gas.

  78. Cromer Water.

  79. Dover Corporation.

  80. Smethwick Corporation.

  81. Lowestoft Corporation.

  82. Ripon Corporation.

  83. Harpenden District Gas.

  84. Southport Water (Transfer).

  EARL OF LEITRIM.
  Ordered and Directed, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That a Certificate be sent by the Clerk of the Parliaments to the Clerk of the Crown in Ireland, stating that the Lord Chancellor of the United Kingdom has reported to the House of Lords that the right of the Earl of Leitrim to vote at the elections of Representative Peers for Ireland has been established to the satisfaction of him the said Lord Chancellor; and that the House of Lords has ordered such report to be sent to the said Clerk of the Crown in Ireland; and it is hereby also Ordered, That the said Report of the said Lord Chancellor be sent to the Clerk of the Crown in Ireland.
  The Lord Swansea took the Oath.

  DEATH OF HER IMPERIAL MAJESTY THE EMPRESS FREDERICK OF GERMANY.
  The King's answer to the Address of yesterday reported by the Lord Steward (E. Pembroke and Montgomery) as follows:—
  "I return you My most sincere thanks for your Loyal and Dutiful Address, expressing sympathy with Me in the great loss which I have sustained by the death of My beloved Sister, the Dowager Empress and Queen Frederick of Germany and Prussia, Princess Royal of Great Britain and Ireland.
  "It affords Me great comfort and gratification to receive this expression of your cordial feeling towards Myself and the Royal Family, and to be reminded of the warm interest you take in all that concerns Them.
  "I shall not fail to communicate to His Imperial Majesty the German
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  Emperor your message of condolence with Him and the Imperial and Royal Family."
  Address and Answer to be printed and published. (No. 190.)

PRIVATE BILL BUSINESS.
  LOCH LEVEN WATER POWER BILL.
  Read 3a, with the Amendments, and passed, and returned to the Commons.

  ALDEBURGH CORPORATION (WATER) BILL.
  ILKESTON AND HEANOR WATER BOARD BILL.
  WEST CUMBERLAND ELECTRIC TRAMWAYS BILL.
  STRATFORD-UPON-AVON, TOWCESTER, AND MIDLAND JUNCTION, EAST AND WEST JUNCTION, AND EVESHAM, REDDITCH, AND STRATFORD-UPON-AVON JUNCTION RAILWAY COMPANIES BILL.
  SWANSEA HARBOUR BILL. WOLVERHAMPTON AND CANNOCK CHASE RAILWAY BILL.
  Returned from the Commons with the Amendments agreed to.

  LEEDS CORPORATION WATER BILL [H.L.]
  Returned from the Commons agreed to, with Amendments.

  LEEDS CORPORATION (GENERAL POWERS) BILL [H.L.]
  SOUTH LANCASHIRE TRAMWAYS BILL [H.L.].
  STRATTON AND BUDE IMPROVEMENT BILL [H.L.].
  Returned from the Commons agreed to, with Amendments; the said Amendments considered, and agreed to.

  TRAMWAYS ORDERS CONFIRMATION (No. 1) BILL [H.L.]
  Commons' Amendments considered, (according to Order), and agreed to.

  GREENOCK CORPORATION ORDER CONFIRMATION BILL.
  Brought from the Commons; read 1a; to be printed; and (pursuant to the

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  Private Legislation Procedure(Scotland) Act, 1899), deemed to have been read 2a, and reported from the Committee. (No. 191.)

RETURNS, REPORTS, ETC.

  TRADE REPORTS.
  I. Annual Series:—

  No. 2687. Corea;

  No. 2688. Austria-Hungary (Bohemia);

  No. 2689. Egypt (Port Said and Suez);

  No. 2670. Sweden (Gothenburg).

  II. Miscellaneous Series:—

  No. 563. Horse Industry in the United States.

  AFRICA, No. 8 (1901).
  Report by the Mombasa-Victoria (Uganda) Railway Committee on the progress of the works, 1900–1901 (with a map).
  Correspondence relating to the prolongation of hostilities in South Africa.
  PITCAIRN ISLANDS.
  Farther correspondence relating to the condition of the Pitcairn Islanders (in continuation of [C 9148], February, 1899).

  NAVY.
  I. (Courts-Martial).—Returns of the number of courts-martial held and summary punishments inflicted on seamen of the Royal Navy, etc., during the year 1900.
  II. (Health).—Statistical report of the health of the Navy for the year 1900.

  TRAMWAY AND GAS AND WATER ORDERS.
  Report by the Board of Trade of their proceedings under the Tramways Act 1870, and the Gas and Waterworks Faci-
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  lities Act, 1870, during the session of 1901.
  Presented (by command), and ordered to lie on the Table.

  NAVY.
  I. Naval Savings Banks.—Account of deposits in Naval Savings Banks and the payments thereof, and of interest thereon, of all investments under the Naval Savings Banks Act, 1866, and the application of the interest or dividends accruing in respect thereof, and of the proceeds of any sale of any stocks, annuities, or securities during the financial year 1899–1900.
  II. Prize Money.—Account showing the receipt and expenditure of naval prize, bounty, salvage, and other moneys between the 1st April, 1900, and the 31st March, 1901.

  Eighteenth General Annual Report by the Board of Trade, under Section 131 of the Bankruptcy Act, 1883.
  Tenth General Annual Report, by the Beard of Trade, under Section 29 of the Companies (Winding-up) Act, 1890.
  Report, by the Board of Trade, on their proceedings and business under the Weights and Measures Acts.

  RAILWAY SERVANTS (HOURS OF LABOUR).
  Report by the Board of Trade respecting the proceedings of the Board of Trade under the Railway Regulation Act, 1893, during the year ended 27th July, 1901.
  Laid before the House (pursuant to Act), and ordered to lie on the Table.

LOAN BILL.
Read 3a (according to Order), and passed.
House adjourned at half-past Four of the clock, to Monday next, at a quarter past Four of the clock.