Sitting of 18 August 1890

Preamble
The House met at Eleven of the clock.

FINANCIAL RELATIONS (ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND.)
Report from the Select Committee brought up, and read [Inquiry not completed.]
Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 412.]
Minutes of Proceedings to be printed. [No. 412.]

NOTICE OF MOTION.
  THE DEBATE ON THE ADDRESS.
  THE SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY (Mr. JACKSON,: On behalf of my right hon. Friend the Leader of the House, I wish to give notice that next Session Her Majesty's Government will propose a shortened Address in answer to Her Majesty's Gracious Speech from the Throne, in the hope that the simple expression of the thanks of Parliament for the Royal Speech will greatly tend to shorten Debate.
  QUESTIONS.

    THE CASE OF MR. D. J. MACKINTOSH.
    MR. SEYMOUR KEAY: I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to the case of Mr. D. J. Mackintosh, who was appointed Professor of English in the Egyptian Government Schools, on the nomination of Sir Edward Malet, and on the recommendation of Lord Granville, in 1883, and who, after seven years of service without increase of pay, has now been superseded by another officer, and practically dismissed from his functions without any fault recorded against him; and whether he will make inquiries into the matter, and, if unmerited hardship has been inflicted on Mr. Mackintosh, will recommend to the Egyptain Authorities either to reinstate him, or to confer on him some other post of equivalent emolument?
    THE UNDER SECRETARY or STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS (Sir J. FERGUSSON,: I am not aware that anything has been heard of this case, and I do not gather from the facts stated in the question that there would be any ground for interference.

    IRELAND—THE TULLOW POLICE.
    MR. PATRICK O'BRIEN: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the police of Tullow and other stations in County Carlow were engaged recently for several days, sometimes as early as 2 o'clock a.m., in seizing the cattle and other effects of the cesspayers on decrees obtained by the barony constable, Mr. Berry, for the recovery of Railway Guarantee Tax; that Head Constable Bruen, having seized and impounded in Carlow a lot of cattle, sheep, and pigs, acted as auctioneer, and charged, in addition to the amount for which the stock were seized, fees which he said were incurred in making the seizures and also poundage; and whether it is with his knowledge and sanction that the police act as bailiffs and auctioneers in cases of this kind; and, if not, will he order that they shall not again be so engaged?
    THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,: I did not receive notice of this question in time to enable me to obtain the necessary information.

    LAND COMMISSION—DUBLIN COUNTY
    MR. CLANCY: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that nearly 60 tenants living in the Balrothery Union, County Dublin, lodged, prior to 31st December, 1888, applications to have fair rents fixed,, and have since been unable to get their cases heard by the Land Commission; and, if so, whether any steps will be taken to expedite the hearing of the cases of those tenants and of other tenants in the County of Dublin who have served originating notices?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: The list of cases for the County of Dublin which is at present for hearing before a Sub-Commission contains all the outstanding cases from the Balrothery Union up to the end of 1887, and of the cases received in 1888 there are at present47 undisposed of. A Sub-Commission has been sitting continuously in the County of Dublin since March last, and will resume its sitting after the Vacation in October next. The outstanding cases will be disposed of with the utmost possible expedition, having due regard to the claims of other districts.

    AFFRAY AT MILLSTREET.
    MR. J. O'CONNORfor Dr. TANNER: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether any inquiry has been, or will be, made into the alleged firing on and assaulting of Messrs. Sullivan and Riordan by a gang of rioters near Dean Moriarty's land in the vicinity of Millstreet, County Cork, on Tuesday, the 12th instant; whether it is true Sullivan was brutally beaten, and suffered from the infliction of several scalp wounds; and whether any attempt will be made to put down the violence now displayed in Millstreet? I have also to ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he is aware that, on Tuesday night last, Mr. Sullivan, of Millstreet, was struck from behind a severe blow on the head by a sling shot while

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    passing through the streets of the town; and whether any attempt is being made to bring to justice the individual who perpetrated this outrage?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I am at present unable to reply to these questions.

    COMPLAINT AGAINST THE IRISH CONSTABULARY.
    MR. J. O'CONNOR (for Dr .TANNER): I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether two constables, named Donnelly and O'Donnell, are to be proceeded against for assaulting and dangerously wounding Messrs. Cornelius Costelloe and Thomas Costelloe at Croagh, near Rathkeale, on the 11th instant; whether it has been reported to him that on the occasion in question the constables having in charge a man named Gloster, who was drunk and resisting arrest, on Cornelius Costelloe advising him to go quietly, Constable Donnelly turned and struck him with a stick, knocking him down; on Thomas Costelloe coming up he was assaulted by Constable M'Donnell, who drew his sword and gave him two strokes on the head; and that the constable, seeing what he had done, tore off his cape and threw it with his sword on the ground near Costelloe, and ran away, followed by Donnelly, who let his prisoner go; whether Dr. John attended the men assaulted, and informed the police that the lives of these men were in danger from the wounds inflicted; whether either of the policemen have been, or will be, arrested and proceeded against; and what steps will be taken to punish them for the alleged outrage?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I have not yet received the information that would enable me to answer the question.

    VACCINE LYMPH.
    DR.TANNER: I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board if the Local Government Board have any information to show how many points or tubes of vaccine lymph can be obtained from a single calf; and what is the average cost to the State per calf used by the National Vaccine Institution for the purpose of propagating vaccinelymph?
    THE SECRETARY TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD (Mr. LONG,: The calves at the
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    Animal Vaccine Establishment are made to serve two purposes, namely, the vaccination of infants direct from the calf at the Lamb's Conduit Street station, and the supply to the National Vaccine Establishment of lymph stored in points, for issue to practitioners (including public vaccinators) desirous of starting series of arm to arm vaccination. The number of points received by the Local Government Board from the Animal Vaccine Establishment averaged in 1888 about 80 per calf, the calf being also used for vaccinations as already stated. Calf lymph is not now issued by the Board in tubes. The cost per calf for lymph propagating purposes could only be separated with great difficulty, if at all, from the expense of maintaining a large infantile vaccination station for the Metropolis, the two expenses going on concurrently in the same premises.

    THE TRANSVAAL.
    SIR GEORGE CAMPBELL: I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the High Commissioner for South Africa, and Mr. Hoffmeyer, Member of the Cape Parliament, acting under his instructions, have power to conclude a Convention with the Transvaal State, regarding Swaziland and several other matters, without further reference; whether the Agreement so made, and ratified by the Transvaal Volksraad, is finally concluded, or is still subject to ratification in this country; whether, having regard to the instructions of the Secretary of State that "there should be no undue restriction of British trade and enterprise," Her Majesty's Government propose to insist on the stipulations made by Mr. Hoffmeyer that the concessions to the Transvaal should only come into force on condition that the Transvaal enters the Protective Customs Union, of which the Cape Colony is the leading member, and abandons the lightly taxed commercial intercourse now existing between Natal and the Transvaal; and whether there is any provision for a Tribunal to settle disputes in Swaziland between Europeans and Natives or between Europeans and the Native Government; and, if so, whether Natives are to be represented on that Tribunal, or is it to consist of Europeans or White Africanders only?
    THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE COLONIES (Baron H. de WORMS, Liverpool,: The Convention referred to, of which the text has not yet been received, was made under the instructions of, and is subject to ratification by, the Government of this country. The third paragraph of the question is not fully understood, and is argumentative; and I can only refer the hon. Member to what I stated in this House, on the 4th instant, in reply to the junior Member for Northampton. As regards the fourth paragraph, it is impossible to state the provisions of the Convention precisely as far as they affect the administration of justice; but it is not believed that any Swazi native is competent to fill a judicial post in Swaziland.

    DIRECTORSHIPS OF COMPANIES AND THE CIVIL SERVICE.
    SIR GEORGE CAMPBELL: I beg to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether any general rules in regard to the acceptance of directorships of companies by the servants of the State have yet been promulgated; and, if not, whether any of the great Departments have issued such rules after the example of the Colonial Office which was commended by the Chancellor of the Exchequer; and whether such rules have been issued by the Treasury, both for the Treasury Office and for the Departments under the supervision of the Treasury, such as the Customs and Excise? I have also to ask if the present rules in regard to medical certificates for pension have been printed and can be laid upon the Table?
    MR. JACKSON: In the absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer I am afraid I am not able to answer these questions. With regard to the first, I may say that general rules were laid down by an Order in Council on the 21st of March last, and by an Order in Council on Friday last.

    NORTHERN QUEENSLAND.
    SIR GEORGE CAMPBELL: I beg to ask, the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies whether Her Majesty's Government have power to create Northern Queensland into a new colony without reference to Parliament; and, if so, whether the Secretary of State will give
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    an assurance that such a colony will not be created during the Recess, with the complete power over the Aborigines and the Pacific Islanders now enjoyed by the Colony of Queensland as a whole, or with the authority over the administration of New Guinea now vested in Queensland?
    BARON H. DE WORMS: Her Majesty's Government are advised that an Act of Parliament is necessary for the erection of any part of Queensland into a separate colony.
    SIR G. BADEN-POWELL: Does the right hon. Gentleman mean by an Act of Parliament, an Act of the Imperial Parliament?
    BARON H. DE WORMS: Yes.

    THE PACIFIC ISLANDERS PROTEC TION ACT.
    SIR GEORGE CAMPBELL: I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies how it is settled whether offenders under the Pacific Islanders Protection Acts are to he tried by Australian Courts under the Act of 1872, or by the Imperial Authorities created by the Act of 1875?
    BARON H. DE WORMS: The Court in which an offender would be tried must obviously depend upon the circumstances of the case, such as the locality in which the accused is apprehended, and the place in which the witnesses are to be found.

    THE OLPHERT ESTATE.
    MR. DALTON: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that a licence for a pound at Ballyconnell, on the Olphert Estate, has recently been granted in a place which has none of the qualifications necessary for a pound, and is actually a part of the farmyard of Ballyconnell House, to which there is no access except through Mr. Olphert's private grounds; what necessity there is for a pound in this place; and whether the licence will be withdrawn if it should be found on inquiry that no necessity exists for this pound?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I am informed that the licence was granted some years ago. The pound is in the farmyard of Ballyconnell House, and has the qualifications for a pound. It is accessible

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    from the public road through an open lane. The pound is necessary and is frequently used.
    MR. DALTON: I beg to ask the right hon. Gentleman if he can state how many licensed pounds are now on the Olphert Estate, who granted the licences, who are the pound keepers, and have they entered into recognisances; and, if so, who are the sureties; whether these places have any of the qualifications necessary for a pound; whether he can state the charges made by the bailiffs for sheep that are on their way to the pound or in the pound; how much money has been collected off the district for trespass within the past six months, and to whom does this money go; whether the police are authorised in assisting to drive cattle and sheep to these pounds; and whether he is aware that on the 11th August six bailiffs and three policemen made a raid on the waste lands of Glashercoo and took away 47 sheep from a vacant house in which they were penned, and which were not grazing on the land or doing any damage whatever, and on their way to the pound also took along some sheep grazing by the roadside?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I am unable to answer this question.

    EXTRA POLICE ON THE OLPHERT ESTATE.
    MR. DALTON: I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether his attention has been called to a Circular addressed to the Magistrates of the County of Donegal, giving notice that a special Sessions of the Justices of the Peace of the said county, to be held at Lifford on the 11th August instant for the purpose of considering the necessity of applying to the Lord Lieutenant for an extra force of constabulary, to replace the same number of men of the reserve force at the Royal Constabulary Depot, which for some time past has been serving in this county; can he state what is the necessity for taxing this district with extra police; and if he can state how many police stations are now on the Olphert Estate, how many policemen are stationed there, how are they paid, and what does Mr. Olphert receive for barracks and stations?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I am informed that a meeting of the Magistrates was summoned by the Clerk of the Peace, but there was no attendance in response. The county at large pay a moiety of the cost of extra police. Twenty-eight police constables are stationed where the operations are being carried on. There are two regular stations and some temporary outposts.

    THE POTATO BLIGHT AND THE CASE OF MR. GILL.
    MR. SEXTON: I wish to ask the Chief Secretary two questions, the first of which has reference to the probable state of famine in Ireland owing to the potato blight. In view of the fact now stated that famine fever has broken out in more than one place and that potatoes are at the famine price of 10d. a stone, will he still decline to take upon the Government the responsibility of dealing by exceptional means with such a state of affairs? My second question has reference to the decision come to in the case of Mr. Gill, the engineer, who has been sentenced to 14 days' imprisonment with hard labour, and who has also been ordered to find bail for a year, with the alternative of an additional imprisonment for a month for having jostled a police constable upon a public crossing. I wish to know whether it is intended to enforce this sentence?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: With regard to the first question, I have to say that I have received no Report of the outbreak of famine fever, nor indeed any Report since I replied to a similar question on Friday. Undoubtedly, the accounts of last week darkened the prospect, but I think it is still premature to make any statement as to the possible results of the potato blight. With regard to the case of Mr. Gill, I believe that it was fully considered by the Magistrates before whom it was brought, and I see no reason to interfere with the decision at which they arrived.
    MR. SEXTON: Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the police constables were obstructing a public thoroughfare, and that Mr. Gill thought he had a right to use it? That is a matter of novelty, and is one which the Executive might feel it their duty to take notice of in ordering the reversal of the whole or

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    some part of the sentence. At any rate, will they afford Mr. Gill facilities to test the question of law? There is a very general opinion that the authorities have acted most harshly in the matter.
    THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR IRELAND (Mr. MADDEN,: If Mr. Gill desires to raise a legal question, I apprehend that it would be by an application to a Judge of one of the Superior Courts; and if the Judge were to direct the Magistrates to state a case pending the result of his appeal he would be set at liberty as a matter of course.
    MR. SEXTON: In the event of such an application being made, will the Crown undertake not to take advantage, as has been done in other cases, of any technicality their ingenuity may raise to oppose the application?
    MR. MADDEN: It is not the fact that the Crown have ever taken such a course. There was a case in which a very serious question of law was raised, and the Crown felt it their duty to see that the issue was properly submitted to the Court. But the Crown never has interposed, and never will interpose, any obstacle in the way of having a legal question, frivolous or vexatious, fairly raised, especially when it has reference to a person actually in custody.
    MR. SEXTON: Considering the extraordinary severity of the initial sentence—14 days' hard labour for jostling a constable—will the Irish Government insist on the further order to find bail for 12 months' good behaviour by a gentleman who occupies a respectable position, and against whom nothing can be alleged? May I ask the right hon. Gentleman not to enforce that part of the sentence which relates to the finding of bail?
    MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I cannot go further than I have already gone. All I can say is, that when I get a full Report of the case, which I have not yet had, I will carefully consider the whole of the circumstances. I cannot promise to do more than that. I am unable to accept the statements which have been made without further examination.
    MR. J. O'CONNOR: Considering that this gentleman has been sentenced to 14 days' imprisonment with hard labour, and that it will take some time to get up the evidence he desires to lay before the Court, if he is allowed to make an appeal,
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    will the Government see their way in the meantime to order the release of Mr. Gill?
    MR. SEXTON: If a solicitor, on Mr. Gill's behalf, intimates that it is his intention to prosecute an appeal, will Mr. Gill be released pending the appeal?
    MR. MADDEN: An application can be made to the Court, and if the Court directs the Magistrates to state a case, the defendant can at once be released. The Government have no power to interfere.

  ORDER OF THE DAY.
    CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIA TION) BILL.

      THIRD READING.
      Order for Third Reading read.
      MR. JACKSON: I beg to move that the Bill be read a third time.
      MR. SEXTON: Considering the peculiar pressure of circumstances, I may say that we in this part of the House do not intend to raise any discussion upon the Third Reading. I only wish to ask whether the report of the Charge of Chief Baron Palles in the Wexford conspiracy case, to which reference has been made more than once, and which was promised before the Irish Estimates came on, will be circulated soon?
      MR. A. J. BALFOUR: I will take care that it is printed and circulated as soon as possible—probably when the House re-assembles in November.
      MR. J. O'CONNOR: I had intended to make a statement to the House to day in reference to the case of Mr. Gill and some other cases of extreme hardship which have occurred in New Tipperary. I had thought that as we are on the eve of a three months' recess it was desirable to take some steps to curb the ferocity of the police in that district and to keep them within proper bounds. I will, however, act upon the advice of my hon. Friend (Mr. Sexton), which I always consider it wise to follow, and will content myself with expressing a hope that something will be done by the Government to restrain the unbounded ferocity of the police of Tipperary.
      Question, "That the Bill be now read the third time," put, and agreed to.
      Bill read the third time, and passed.

      MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
      That they have agreed to,—Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill; Census (Ireland) Bill; Expiring Laws Continuance Bill; Public Works Loans Bill; Railways (Ireland) Bill.
      Amendments to,—Statute Law Revision (No. 2) Bill.
      Amendment to Amendments to,— Pharmacy (Ireland) (1875) Amendment Bill.
      Amendments to Amendments to,—Directors' Liability Bill.
      Metropolis Management Acts Amendment Bill, without any Amendment.
      That they do not insist on their Amendment to Bankruptcy Bill, to which this House has disagreed.
      That they do not insist on their Amendment to Companies (Winding-up) Bill, to which this House has disagreed.
      That they do not insist on their Amendment to,—Marriages in British Embassies, &c. Bill, to which this House has disagreed; and agree to the Consequential Amendment made by this House to the said Bill.

      COLONISATION.
      That they do request that this House will be pleased to communicate to their Lordships Copy of the Report, &c., from the Select Committee appointed by this House in the present Session of Parliament on Colonisation.
      Lords Message considered.
      Ordered, That a printed Copy be communicated.

    PROROGATION OF THE PARLIAMENT.
    Message to attend the Lords Commissioners.
    The House went;—and the Royal Assent was given to the Bills mentioned on page 1200.
    Afterwards Her Majesty's Most Gracious Speech was delivered to both Houses of Parliament by the Lord High Chancellor (in pursuance of Her Majesty's Commands).
    Then a Commission for proroguing the Parliament was read.
    After which,
    THE LORD CHANCELLORsaid—
    My Lords and Gentlemen,
    By virtue of Her Majesty's Commission, under the Great Seal, to us and other Lords directed, and now read, we do, in Her Majesty's Name and in obedience to Her Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Saturday the Twenty fifth day of October next, to be then here holden; and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Saturday the Twenty-fifth day of October next.
    [A TABLE OF ALL THE STATUTES.

Preamble
The Lord FOXFORD (E. Limerick) chosen Speaker pro tempore.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIA TION) BILL.
Brought from the Commons and read 1a: Then (Standing Orders Nos. XXXIX. and XLV. having been dispensed with), moved that the Bill be now read 2a; agreed to: Bill read 2a accordingly: Committee negatived; Bill read 3a, and passed.
House adjourned during pleasure.
House resumed by the Lord Chancellor.

COMMISSION.
The following Bills received the Royal Assent:—

Consolidated Fund (Appropriation).

Elections (Scotland) (Corrupt and Illegal Practices).

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Metropolis Management Amendment Act (1862) Amendment.

Census (England and Wales).

Census (Ireland).

Bankruptcy.

Expiring Laws Continuance.

Public Works Loans.

Pharmacy Act (Ireland) (1875) Amendment.

Marriages in British Embassies, &c.

Housing of the Working Classes.

Local Taxation (Customs and Excise) Duties.

Police (Scotland).

Statute Law Revision (No. 2.)

Companies (Winding-up).

Companies (Memorandum of Association).

Allotments Act (1887) Amendment.

Settled Land.

Public Libraries Acts Amendment.

Metropolis Management Acts Amendment.

Customs Consolidation Act, 1876, Amendment.

Tenants' Compensation.

Public Health Acts Amendment.

Parliamentary Registration Expenses (Ireland).

Bills of Sale.

Railways (Ireland).

Directors' Liability.

And a number of Private Bills.

PROROGATION OF THE PARLIAMENT.
THE PARLIAMENT was this day prorogued by Commission.
THE LORD CHANCELLOR delivered Her Majesty's speech as follows:—
My Lords and Gentlemen,
"My relations with all Foreign Powers continue to be of a pacific and friendly character.
My attention has been called to the inconveniences which might arise from the possible conflict of territorial claims in the newly-occupied regions of Africa. I have, therefore, entered into negotiation with the Powers principally concerned for the purpose of marking out
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the boundaries within which the action of the respective Governments is to be confined. The arrangement with Germany, which closes the most difficult of these questions, has been completed and laid before you; and in order to give effect to it you have sanctioned by a special Statute the cession of the island of Heligoland.
An Arrangement has also been entered into with France, separating the territory adjacent to the southern frontier of Algeria from the territory which is under the influence of the Royal Niger Company. An Agreement for the delimitation of other territories in Africa is under discussion with the Government of Portugal.
I have agreed with the President of the French Republic that the British Protectorate over Zanzibar and the French Protectorate over Madagascar shall be mutually recognised by the two Powers.
I have offered to the President of the United States to submit to arbitration questions of difference that have arisen between us with respect to jurisdiction in Behring's Sea.
The Conference upon the Slave Trade, assembled at my suggestion by His Majesty the King of the Belgians, has brought its deliberations to a close. The Final Act has received the adhesion of all the Powers represented at the Conference with the exception of His Majesty the King of the Netherlands. The Protocols will be laid before you as soon as they are received. I earnestly hope that the resolutions to which the Conference has come may lead to results worthy of the high and benevolent purpose which has inspired them.
Controversies have arisen between my subjects in Newfoundland and the French fishermen upon that coast with respect to the true interpretation of the rights reserved to France by the Treaty

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of Utrecht and subsequent engagements. The adjustment of these differences is occupying the anxious attention of my Government.
I have gladly given my assent to the Act which you have passed for conferring upon the Colony of Western Australia institutions similar to those which have worked with remarkable success in the other Australian colonies.
I have learnt with satisfaction, that a Convention has been ratified by the Volksraad of the South African Republic which will, I trust, bring to an end the difficulties which existed in respect to Swaziland.
Gentlemen of the House of Commons,
I thank you for the provision which you have made for the requirements of the State. It is a matter of much satisfaction to me that you have been able to make substantial progress in the task of reducing the public burdens.
My Lords and Gentlemen,
I am rejoiced to observe that effective steps have been taken by you for the promotion of primary, intermediate, and technical education.
I trust that the measures which you have passed for the extensive re-construction of barracks will secure the health and increase the efficiency of my soldiers. I am glad that you have been able materially to improve the position of the Police Force, on whose valuable service increasing demands are made.
The policy you have adopted of giving uniformity and increased vigour to precautions against contagious diseases among cattle will have a salutary influence upon a very important interest.
The Amendments you have made in the system of winding-up companies under the Law of Limited Liability will be of advantage to commerce; and the Acts as to allotments, and with respect to Houses for the Working Classes, will
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contribute largely to the well-being of he labouring portion of my people.
I commend you earnestly to the care and blessing of Almighty God."
Then a Commission for proroguing the parliament was read.
After which,
THE LORD CHANCELLOR said:
My Lords and Gentlemen,
By virtue of Her Majesty's Commission under the Great Seal, to us and other Lords directed, and now read, we do, in Her Majesty's name, and in obedience to Her, Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Saturday, the Twenty-fifth day of October next, to be then here holden; and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Saturday the Twenty-fifth day of October next.